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Video: BBC hidden cam shows China selling prisoners' organs

infowars.com — An undercover investigation by BBC News finds that China has a flourishing trade of organs from executed prisoners. China is becoming the destination of choice for rich foreigners in need of organ transplants. One hospital said it could provide a liver for about $100,000. China has more executions than all other countries in the world combined.

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  • DubbleA, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20Wow...I just don't know what to say...

    "Organs are now a big business in China, but it is one built on death and deception."
    • moman, on 10/12/2007, -7/+36"China has more executions than all other countries in the world combined"

      Not that I condone executing prisoners or the organ selling practice and whatever else, but to put this quote in perspective, China also has 1/5 of the worlds population (about 1.3 Billion people according to wikipedia), so its just natural to assume that it has far greater executions. Inorder to compare and constrast, the prisoner/executed prisoner ratios should be used.
    • Atomic1fire, on 10/12/2007, -25/+4and they say were evil to our captives
    • zacharychaos, on 10/12/2007, -25/+8if I was a political prisoner in China I would stab myself in a few vital organs. Or deliberately contract AIDS. I would like to see them sell my organs then.
    • EmileVictor, on 10/12/2007, -7/+20I think the issue here also lies with execution itself. I don't think the USA or China should use execution. It is a horrible form of punishment. How many people here watched those guys kneeling with rope around their neck and didn't feel squirmish?
    • hammydude, on 10/12/2007, -28/+12I really see nothing wrong with this. Those criminal that were executed have lost their membership to the human race as they are murderers, rapists, etc. Therefore they have no rights and can be treated as scum. The least they can do is give there organs away, even if they don't want to they should not have a choice.

      I do not see why people complain about such high level criminal's rights. They didn't care about our rights when they went on a killing spree or whatever, why should we care about theirs?

      Now if this was a report saying that they were taking organs from ordinary citizens, or that they stole organs from petty criminals who died in jail or they murdered inmates for organs then I would be disgusted. This I have no problem with.
    • cezar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+32@hammydude

      You're assuming that China is putting them to death for legitimate reasons.
    • Hobo97, on 10/12/2007, -7/+21Let's disregard the legitimacy of their sentencing or the controversy of the death penalty.

      As long as China isn't executing prisoners for the sole purpose of harvesting their organs, I fail to see the issue. They are dead, last I checked, dead men don't need organs.
    • masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+29@hammydude:

      "Now if this was a report saying that they were taking organs from ordinary citizens, or that they stole organs from petty criminals who died in jail or they murdered inmates for organs then I would be disgusted. This I have no problem with."

      That's the problem with these kinds of things. You start out taking organs from the scum. Soon after, you're making a lot of money. Well, maybe you can start taking organs from anyone that dies in prison. Damn, there's a lot of money to be made in this; maybe we should start taking the healthy organs from the terminally ill prisoners who have no hope to recover. Christ, now this is a billion dollar industry! We need more organs! Quickly, start police raids, give petty criminals the death setence!
      And it goes on from there.

      No government has ever started something radical from nothing. All governments have to take the first small step, and from there it grows.
    • TenebrousX, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11Merry Christmas!
    • neozeed, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9I love how you can belong to a political disadent ie pro democracy group, become a criminal and get executed for organs for... US...

      Cool deal, no?
    • hobbers, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9moman,

      So you don't think there's anything wrong when 1/5th of the population executes more of its people than the other 4/5ths combined? By deduction, that means China executes AT LEAST a 4x greater % of people than any other nation in the world.
    • twtmc, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I am really sickened by that, but I suppose someone has to do it. I guess. Wow, I really don't know how to feel about this. On one hand, they are executing tons. On the other hand, they are extending the life of what they concider functioning members of society. Jeez, this story sure is a downer.
    • jblade, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6But how many executed are actually criminals.
    • GNiMeLF, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3I might need a new liver (not because of over indulgence i was just born with a crap one and I'm only 19! ) so where do i sign up?. Australia's waiting list is pathetic so i can see it from china's point make money from countries not legislating Compulsory Donation. But i guess it's how countries acquire them ethically
    • tvc15, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@hammydude
      This has been happening since the mid 1990s at least. "60 Minutes" had an expose back then as well. Some, if not many, of these people are political or religious prisoners. Pro-Democracy or Falon-Gong. Others are farmers who protested because their land was seized. When a healthy candidate is found, they test their blood type and then find buyers for all of the parts before they shoot them in the head so as to not damage the other organs. In many cases, it looks like they are simply rounding up 'undesirables' to feed the organ trade.
    • culbeda, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3"Not that I condone executing prisoners or the organ selling practice and whatever else, but to put this quote in perspective, China also has 1/5 of the worlds population"

      To REALLY put this all in perspective:

      As a percentage of population, China executes around 14x more than we do here in the US, but they are very close to Iran's percentage.

    • ElliotShoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Hobo97

      Well, it's true that dead men don't need their organs. But I think the outrageous factor here is that they are executing more people to meet the demands of the market. There are only so many rapists, murders, and criminals in China and whos to judge that they deserve a death sentance? Last I heard, China arrests people for being dissadents and going against the government. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of people getting executed are these kinds of people. Now who can say thats not freaking screwed up?
    • dirka, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I love when everyone tries to reply to the first post so their comment will be closer to the top but in reality you end up about 3/4 of the way down the page :)

      MMMhhhh cream of sum young guy....
    • jegub, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0There have been allegations that followers of the Falun Gong movement are being systematically harvested at specialized facilities:

      Concentration Camp for Falun Gong Disclosed; Prisoners Killed for Organ Harvesting
      http://www.indymedia.ie/article/74819

      China harvesting Falun Gong organs, report alleges
      http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2006/07/06/china-falungong.html

      Standing against Genocide
      http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/6-9-19/46114.html
  • kyleh, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17that is horrible
    • BassCadet, on 10/12/2007, -20/+2Yes, but.....you've forgotten that China = #1 power! They have 1/5th of the world's population. So that automatically makes them a superpower!!

      /rolling eyes
    • kyleh, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9no i knew that, i just don't think that makes it acceptable
  • pawchikapawpaw, on 10/12/2007, -15/+8oh, but wait, they're part of the UN human rights commission.

    good job UN Human Rights Commission on telling the US how to fight the war and telling the US how to "properly" treat enemy combatants!
    • halleyscomet, on 10/12/2007, -14/+3So EVERYTHING has to be about Bush?

      You extremists are all the same. You have to drag Bush, Iraq and Terrorism into everything. Have you ever thought of seeing a therapist about your obsessive tendencies?
    • Cymrubeats, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3@pawchikapawpaw : Hey, i have a comment as relevant as yours too...

      I hate those bloody trash collectors, always making a racket when i'm trying to sleep. :|
    • pawchikapawpaw, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3i'm merely pointing out the ridiculous weight that is being placed on the UN's opinion on anything, especially on Human Rights, when countries like China (which is a member of the council) does ***** like this.

      let me make it clearer for you: the UN gets off telling the US how to treat its prisoners, and people put so much stock into the UN's opinion. moral relativity is seriously lacking from a lot of people.

      if you don't think it's a valid point, i'm curious to know why.

      also, halley? surprise, the only BUSH reference that is linked to this article with such mediocrity is yours. your derangement about bush has claimed you so that you're actually bringing up bush in this topic when my opinion is about China, the US, the UN and human rights.
    • knightblade2oo4, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"So EVERYTHING has to be about Bush?"

      I was unaware Bush was in charge of the United Nations.
  • AmishRefugee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3i thought this was a legit practice, or at least one that hasn't been underground or black-market

    i may be completely insane though.......
    • lesskiller, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It maybe legit as far as China is concerned, but don't you think there may a bit of a conflict of interest when the Chinese justice system can make money by just executing you? Seems like that would promote a "execute and profit now, investigate the truth later" mindset.
    • PnPMan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yeah, I'm not sure if this is the same thing I saw but the guy running the show (he deals with foriegn customers/patients) was completely open about the organs coming from executed prisoners - the whole hidden camera / undercover investigation seems a bit of a stretch.

      The only problem I see with this whole situation is if the organ's become more than a byproduct i.e. people start getting framed in order to sell organs / more instances of the death penalty for smaller crimes.
    • AmishRefugee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i guess in the end they are making the best of the fact that their government executes a LOT of people
  • debney, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4WTF
  • nietsnie, on 10/12/2007, -6/+21In Soviet Russia, organ trasplants YOU!
  • henrynobel, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2good news, i know where to get my new organs from

    i am happy the criminals they execute are at last put to good use, maybe they get to go to heaven because i get a new liver :D
    • Cymrubeats, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7You'll be surprised what gets you categorised as a criminal in china...something as simple as speaking out about your govt can end up with you imprisoned.
  • MarvelingOne, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Thats one way to pay for the prisons.
    @henrynobel, heck everything else is made in China
  • Timmaay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Some crazy *****, I had no idea they executed so many prisoners, let alone sold their organs afterwards. Just Horrible.
  • MrBabyMan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+41.5 Billion people + Lax government laws and poor enforcement = cha-ching!!
  • 2ndRevolution, on 10/12/2007, -8/+9China is the testing ground/model of the New World Order. ***** the tin foil hat *****. That's a nice way of sticking your head in the sand and touting the "company" line...be it democrat, republican or libertarian.

    How about touting the American company line for a change? What the ***** happened here?

    China is the testing ground worldwide to see how people will respond to treatment of HUMANS like this. Oh yeah, the Chinese 'prisoners' agreed to allow their organs to be used. Yep, and I've got a plot on the moon to sell you. Sure, most respond to the initial headlines with shock and horror but then switch the channel to the football game and figure that will never happen here.

    Wake the ***** up!! Let's see what the ***** they were in prison for in the first place! Probably something equivalent to the 'war' on drugs...'war' on terror....or just plain old dissidence where they say ***** YOU to the government. I guess that makes it OK to kill them and use their organs for the highest bidder.

    You think the Constitution will protect us here? Please, the governmetal branches haven't followed it since 1913. I happen to be one of those who doesn't give a ***** about being dugg down. All I care about is waking up one person at a time. I hope you're one of them.

    You don't like what I have to say? Tough *****. As long as my fingers can work this keyboard and my trigger finger works, I'm here to stay.

    spit
    • bysin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4You lost me at "New World Order". Try and make your comments a little less psychiatric next time.
  • Trat, on 10/12/2007, -15/+4I hate Chineese people. They make me disgust and want to take a shower...
    • Usodarake, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6i disagree, chinese people are very clean



      racist
    • bysin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5^^^^
      Its only racist if he were to have said asians, not chinese.
    • kleash, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0That's racist alright..
    • surfit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Xenophobic is the term.
  • steeel, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4Too bad for them they couldnt corner the male genital organs market.
  • shadowslicer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Did anyone notice that in the video the doctor was speaking Japanese instead of Mandarin? At the entrance to the hospital they were speaking Chinese, but the entire conversation with the doctor was in Japanese. I might have expected English, since that is a required course in Chinese schools, but given most Chinese feelings towards Japan (after what it did during WW II), it seems strange...
    Since this is BBC, I don't have any particular reason to doubt its authenticity, but I still think it seems strange.
    • eliomar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3i noticed that too. seems the undercover agent was japanese too.
    • saccrant, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1I noticed too, the guy in blue was speaking japanese. The reception at the hospital were speaking chinese. I'd say this is just plain inaccuarte.
    • neozeed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3i just caught something that sounded like I'm Japanese ... but I thought it was coincidence. Maybe his sick 'grandfather' was Japanese? Then again I'm sure there are lots of people in China speak Japanese esp after the Manchurian occupation....
    • brotherfranciz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@ neozeed: "Then again I'm sure there are lots of people in China speak Japanese esp after the Manchurian occupation...."

      lol that is so NOT true... where did you get that idea from? Chinese people speaking Japanese? Are you serious?
    • domicius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Have you considered the possibility that many of their customers are Japanese? And as such that speaking Japanese might just be good business sense?

      I do think that is a valid observation, but it doesn't automatically make the report inaccurate.

    • ionix18, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The doctor and the reception speak Mandarin.
      The "specialist" with the blue shirt speaks Japanese. The translation of what he is saying is accurate.
    • neozeed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@brotherfranciz Have you been to South America? Lots of Spanish & Portugese spoken there.... Just like how English is popular in India.
  • adminsr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Ah, you must love communism.

    *sarcasm
    • Berkana, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Communism? China's not communist any more; they gave that up a while back. They are only afraid to admit it because it would totally destroy the legitimacy of the current government, which established itself and rid itself of opponents through communist revolution. This is *capitalism* at it's most unrestrained form: supply and demand, and people doing whatever they can with no regards for morals or the basic respect of human life, to make as much money as they can exploiting the supply to feed the demand.

    • brotherfranciz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"They are only afraid to admit it because it would totally destroy the legitimacy of the current government, which established itself and rid itself of opponents through communist revolution."

      I totally agree with Berkana, Communism is pretty much dead... I lived in Hong Kong and when China got HK back from the UK 'handover', China labelled HK a 'Special Administrative Region' (there are a few other regions...) - which basically means a capitalist city with free trade etc... the Chinese realise how important HK is in providing an unofficial link to the capitalist world in terms of business, trade, etc. That's where the money is... and the WTO commitment further strengthens this point - China are gradually becoming capitalist but they don't want to admit that they "lost".

      But I'd like to blame the poor quality of life in China on the Chinese dictator who sided with the japs in WW2 and eventually fled to Taiwan all those years ago, and ***** us over - taking all our money and national treasures with him...
  • neozeed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Good stuff! I'm glad that we subsidize this through all of our purchases! Just think of the horrors the CCCP was cheated since we didn't trade with them.
  • portwojc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The report speaks for itself. I just hope that report was made after they left the country. Otherwise they might find themselves donating their organs too.
  • dupswapdrop, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Hey it's like chicken nuggets bits are bits and pieces are pieces, just remember which one you are. Your know we invaded Iraq for less than this.
  • brewno2k, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Organ donations from people on death-row. This is actually a very intelligent and honorable thing.
    • neozeed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3yeah, you just forget what it takes to be a criminal. Esp in COMMUNIST China.
    • bjammin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Half the people on digg would be arrested and executed in China just for the comments posted on this site.

      It's one thing when you're talking about murderers (although still wrong IMHO). But we are talking about mostly POLITICAL prisoners here. People who just plain disagreed with the government.

      And we're also talking about private businesses profiting from it. The organs aren't going into some equal access public transplant program, but are being used only for rich foreigners. This (and most things the Chinese govt does) are far from communist - they are really just communist by name now.

    • kleash, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0Ok this is getting a little off-topic..China may arrest and excute people when the dictator, Mao Ze-Dong is still alived...and he only went against those who were against him. Sue me if I'm wrong.
  • Osjpr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Rich foreigners buying the sh*t are also partially to blame
    • Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5You wouldn't pay $50,000 to stay alive?
  • Smeed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I really cant say Im surprised
  • commonsense2009, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0The only thing liberals fight harder for other than prisoners' rights...are minorities' rights.
  • pilot8766, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia04u0u8J8s

    Heres another video on the same topic, scary!!
  • The_Dude, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The chinaman is not the issue here Dude.
    • neozeed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2he didnt build the ***** railroads, he pee'd on my rug!
  • Silby, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1I'm surprised so many people oppose this. Not only are you keeping the population under control, you are getting rid of criminals. Although I hope America does not do the same, if you're a ruthless country.....why not?
    • Berkana, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Read some of the comments above: there is a deeply immoral conflict of interest when they sell organs at such a high price as supplied by people executed on demand. If executions fall short, what's to keep them from unjustly executing people for frivolous or made up charges so they can keep making money?
  • Crimsonsoul343, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1I dont see whats wrong with it. They were gonna die anyways so you might as well make the best out it. If they where picking people off the street for just organs then thats a differenct thing.
    • shiftt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7the problem is you don't know whether or not the prisoners were rightfully convicted
      political corruption is a big problem in China
    • bjammin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5You (and the poster above) really have no idea who is considered a criminal in China. We're not talking just murderes here, many of these prisoners are POLITICAL prisoners, imprisoned without fair trial just for speaking out against the government.

    • brotherfranciz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@ bjammin: political prisoners are kept under house arrest, whereas murderers, rapists, child molestors, etc. are the ones being executed - China still has laws you know, if they didn't then the economy, infrastructure, society, etc. would collapse...
  • dvfreelancer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Oh, great, give the Bush adminstration more ideas. GITMO can be a money maker! Sell terrorist organs. Brilliant!
    • shiftt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2it's not like they came up with it.
      many countries over the world had this problem for decades.
      instead of using prisoners, criminals would kidnap regular people and cut their organs out
      at least China is trying to do it "legally"
  • Berkana, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Meanwhile, we have a trade embargo against Cuba's fine cigars. . . for what? Human rights violations?

    Seriously, seriously, WTF?! Why the damnable hypocricy?
  • finnegan217, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2the monetary aspect (organs are now profitable) increases the temptation to put prisoners to death for lesser reasons (i.e. pressure on judges to hand out death sentences more liberally)
  • dtfinch, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3When you're dead, your organs are no longer of any use to you. Waste not.

    Of course, you're not really really dead if your organs are still healthy enough to be implanted into another person. But if you're brain dead you still won't care.
  • geekee, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2The needs of the collective outweigh the needs of the individual in communist countries. Why is this unexpected?
    • bjammin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The needs of the collective are not being served here. The people benefiting are foreigners getting the transplants, and the private hospitals doing them.

      I bet there aren't too many peasants getting new livers.
  • VolatileWhimsy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I think some of you are missing the point here.. :/
    China throws a large amount of people in jail for simply speaking out against the government or reading subversive material... And some are put to the death.
    People are executed by the government than the organs are sold. Including the organs of students who made the mistake of speaking against the country.

    This country is also on the human rights of the UN. Once again a glorious example of the kind of things we can expect from the UN..
  • kolanos, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4A vast majority of these prisoners are political dissidents, not criminals. There are also reports of people being pulled off the street without charge and thrown into these prisons to have their organs harvested because they have the same rare blood type and some rich scumbag who wants their organs.
  • cryptocom, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Who wants to bet that the Chinese doctor who spoke about the increased executions just before political movement is now ironically about to 'donate'....good job killing him BBC. They should have blurred his face out on the video...but no, all they want is the story.
  • sfacets, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1Also thet eat fetuses...
  • abcb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1A sure way of ending this would be to make sure every country have enough donated organ for people who needs them so no one will go to china and pay for them. I just know that If any members of my family needed an organ and they have to wait 4-5 years for it, I will go to china and get them an organ if it means saving members of my family. I am sure if your loved one was in need or a liver and there is a 4-5 waiting period, those prisoner's liver might be a mircle that you need.

    Another thing is how do we know what the chinese prison population is like? do we know for sure vast majority is from political dissidents? Anyone have any actual published stats on this stuff or are we all guessing like blind monkeys.
  • Pirkel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Did anyone else think of The Island?
  • cakestick, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Soylent Green.. is people!
  • Stevethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3That's one more reason why stem cell research should not get any restraints. If we -at last- learn how to make organs from scratch, all this black market of organs will cease to exist and most of all murders for the victim's organs will stop. It's a serious problem, worldwide, but Bush's administration once again have moral issues when it comes down to solving it. I'm talking only about the president of America because -let's be serious now- USA is the biggest exporter of science and knowledge, any constraints being put there and the whole world is being affected.
    • VolatileWhimsy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think we should stay focused on this.. It is quite serious... Stem cell research opens a whole nother door.. :/ Maybe for a more appropriate topic?

      I was under the impression that America is no longer producing cutting tech as it once was.. Since companies have moved out of this country the best and brightest are going overseas where the companies are.. :/
  • shinpoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0To think a country led my a government that condones these behavior will become a major superpower in my lifetime.
  • mrsee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Enjoy your $30 DVD players, folks, courtesy of China and WalMart. Working for you.
    • VolatileWhimsy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So very true and horribly sad. When they drive to their local walmart they'll check out the latest dvd player and probably buy it thinking that it doesn't matter any way.. :/ That is the world we live in..
  • charlietuna, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I regularly wonder why the USA hates Cuba so much yet China is our best buddy.
    • VolatileWhimsy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Well, I think that perhaps you are mistaken.. :/ America is not friends with China.

      USA does not hate Cuba... The government is who USA is against... Have Cuba overthrow the dirt bag and we'll all get into bed together..
    • abcb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2well the problem is China holds huge amounts of US bonds, so technically they are our lender, and we have to be nice to them. If we are not, they can demand repay of all the bonds and we be dead broke....
  • mrsee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0And China's gov't. is better than Cuba's? If China is the standard for good relations, then we should have been trading with Cuba long ago.
    • brotherfranciz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1How can you compare the trade of China against the trade of Cuba? First off China has a way bigger economy, and secondly the political, geographical, historical and economical relationships are totally different. U.S. + China = 'happy' couple whereas U.S. + Cuba = not so happy couple...
  • temporalwar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Bush what the hell are you doing about this?, conservative and pro-life are you
    conserve these peoples lives, and organs!
    these people live in fear when they attend church!
  • dagonweb, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2The US is economically lagging in the organlegging business. I expect the US to start conducting raids in the middle east, sentencing whatever healthy arab terrorist men with firm healthy young bodies, and sentence them in the guantanamo bay organ retrieval center.

    Larry Niven wrote about what would happen when we started to harvest human bodies for organs. Larry Niven was a deeply cynical man but he was right. Eventually jaywalkers, political dissidents and them perverts would receive the death penalty - cause there is a huge profit and because healthy voters want fresh yummy organs.

    Boy were all *****; this train is riding straight into a barren country smelling of sulphur and brimstone and we can't get off. Maybe there IS a god and we have been judged already and we are in hell already?
  • landmonster, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Mmmm, kung-po kidneys and sweet and sour liver.
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