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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+32@hammydude
You're assuming that China is putting them to death for legitimate reasons. - moman, on 10/12/2007, -7/+36"China has more executions than all other countries in the world combined"
Not that I condone executing prisoners or the organ selling practice and whatever else, but to put this quote in perspective, China also has 1/5 of the worlds population (about 1.3 Billion people according to wikipedia), so its just natural to assume that it has far greater executions. Inorder to compare and constrast, the prisoner/executed prisoner ratios should be used. - masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+29@hammydude:
"Now if this was a report saying that they were taking organs from ordinary citizens, or that they stole organs from petty criminals who died in jail or they murdered inmates for organs then I would be disgusted. This I have no problem with."
That's the problem with these kinds of things. You start out taking organs from the scum. Soon after, you're making a lot of money. Well, maybe you can start taking organs from anyone that dies in prison. Damn, there's a lot of money to be made in this; maybe we should start taking the healthy organs from the terminally ill prisoners who have no hope to recover. Christ, now this is a billion dollar industry! We need more organs! Quickly, start police raids, give petty criminals the death setence!
And it goes on from there.
No government has ever started something radical from nothing. All governments have to take the first small step, and from there it grows. - DubbleA, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20Wow...I just don't know what to say...
"Organs are now a big business in China, but it is one built on death and deception." - nietsnie, on 10/12/2007, -6/+21In Soviet Russia, organ trasplants YOU!
- Hobo97, on 10/12/2007, -7/+21Let's disregard the legitimacy of their sentencing or the controversy of the death penalty.
As long as China isn't executing prisoners for the sole purpose of harvesting their organs, I fail to see the issue. They are dead, last I checked, dead men don't need organs. - EmileVictor, on 10/12/2007, -7/+20I think the issue here also lies with execution itself. I don't think the USA or China should use execution. It is a horrible form of punishment. How many people here watched those guys kneeling with rope around their neck and didn't feel squirmish?
- kyleh, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17that is horrible
- Berkana, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Meanwhile, we have a trade embargo against Cuba's fine cigars. . . for what? Human rights violations?
Seriously, seriously, WTF?! Why the damnable hypocricy? - kyleh, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9no i knew that, i just don't think that makes it acceptable
- thenativeraver, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Yesterday's Communists = Today's Terrorists
- shiftt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7the problem is you don't know whether or not the prisoners were rightfully convicted
political corruption is a big problem in China - neozeed, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9I love how you can belong to a political disadent ie pro democracy group, become a criminal and get executed for organs for... US...
Cool deal, no? - Osjpr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Rich foreigners buying the sh*t are also partially to blame
- ZombieFlanders, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8These are not your internal organs. These are our internal organs.
/Chinese Gov't off - Cymrubeats, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7You'll be surprised what gets you categorised as a criminal in china...something as simple as speaking out about your govt can end up with you imprisoned.
- jblade, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6But how many executed are actually criminals.
- VolatileWhimsy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I think some of you are missing the point here.. :/
China throws a large amount of people in jail for simply speaking out against the government or reading subversive material... And some are put to the death.
People are executed by the government than the organs are sold. Including the organs of students who made the mistake of speaking against the country.
This country is also on the human rights of the UN. Once again a glorious example of the kind of things we can expect from the UN.. - bysin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5^^^^
Its only racist if he were to have said asians, not chinese. - knightblade2oo4, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"So EVERYTHING has to be about Bush?"
I was unaware Bush was in charge of the United Nations. - hobbers, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9moman,
So you don't think there's anything wrong when 1/5th of the population executes more of its people than the other 4/5ths combined? By deduction, that means China executes AT LEAST a 4x greater % of people than any other nation in the world. - portwojc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The report speaks for itself. I just hope that report was made after they left the country. Otherwise they might find themselves donating their organs too.
- Berkana, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Read some of the comments above: there is a deeply immoral conflict of interest when they sell organs at such a high price as supplied by people executed on demand. If executions fall short, what's to keep them from unjustly executing people for frivolous or made up charges so they can keep making money?
- bjammin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5You (and the poster above) really have no idea who is considered a criminal in China. We're not talking just murderes here, many of these prisoners are POLITICAL prisoners, imprisoned without fair trial just for speaking out against the government.
- shadowslicer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Did anyone notice that in the video the doctor was speaking Japanese instead of Mandarin? At the entrance to the hospital they were speaking Chinese, but the entire conversation with the doctor was in Japanese. I might have expected English, since that is a required course in Chinese schools, but given most Chinese feelings towards Japan (after what it did during WW II), it seems strange...
Since this is BBC, I don't have any particular reason to doubt its authenticity, but I still think it seems strange. - tvc15, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@hammydude
This has been happening since the mid 1990s at least. "60 Minutes" had an expose back then as well. Some, if not many, of these people are political or religious prisoners. Pro-Democracy or Falon-Gong. Others are farmers who protested because their land was seized. When a healthy candidate is found, they test their blood type and then find buyers for all of the parts before they shoot them in the head so as to not damage the other organs. In many cases, it looks like they are simply rounding up 'undesirables' to feed the organ trade. - Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5You wouldn't pay $50,000 to stay alive?
- MrBabyMan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+41.5 Billion people + Lax government laws and poor enforcement = cha-ching!!
- TenebrousX, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11Merry Christmas!
- neozeed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Good stuff! I'm glad that we subsidize this through all of our purchases! Just think of the horrors the CCCP was cheated since we didn't trade with them.
- bysin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4You lost me at "New World Order". Try and make your comments a little less psychiatric next time.
- neozeed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3i just caught something that sounded like I'm Japanese ... but I thought it was coincidence. Maybe his sick 'grandfather' was Japanese? Then again I'm sure there are lots of people in China speak Japanese esp after the Manchurian occupation....
- bjammin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Half the people on digg would be arrested and executed in China just for the comments posted on this site.
It's one thing when you're talking about murderers (although still wrong IMHO). But we are talking about mostly POLITICAL prisoners here. People who just plain disagreed with the government.
And we're also talking about private businesses profiting from it. The organs aren't going into some equal access public transplant program, but are being used only for rich foreigners. This (and most things the Chinese govt does) are far from communist - they are really just communist by name now. - AmishRefugee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3i thought this was a legit practice, or at least one that hasn't been underground or black-market
i may be completely insane though....... - eliomar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3i noticed that too. seems the undercover agent was japanese too.
- neozeed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3yeah, you just forget what it takes to be a criminal. Esp in COMMUNIST China.
- Timmaay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Some crazy *****, I had no idea they executed so many prisoners, let alone sold their organs afterwards. Just Horrible.
- bysin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5The chinese government is not communist.
- bjammin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The needs of the collective are not being served here. The people benefiting are foreigners getting the transplants, and the private hospitals doing them.
I bet there aren't too many peasants getting new livers. - Smeed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I really cant say Im surprised
- PnPMan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yeah, I'm not sure if this is the same thing I saw but the guy running the show (he deals with foriegn customers/patients) was completely open about the organs coming from executed prisoners - the whole hidden camera / undercover investigation seems a bit of a stretch.
The only problem I see with this whole situation is if the organ's become more than a byproduct i.e. people start getting framed in order to sell organs / more instances of the death penalty for smaller crimes. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Hey it's like chicken nuggets bits are bits and pieces are pieces, just remember which one you are. Your know we invaded Iraq for less than this.
- lesskiller, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It maybe legit as far as China is concerned, but don't you think there may a bit of a conflict of interest when the Chinese justice system can make money by just executing you? Seems like that would promote a "execute and profit now, investigate the truth later" mindset.
- kolanos, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4A vast majority of these prisoners are political dissidents, not criminals. There are also reports of people being pulled off the street without charge and thrown into these prisons to have their organs harvested because they have the same rare blood type and some rich scumbag who wants their organs.
- culbeda, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Yesterday's Communists = Today's Terrorists"
The only difference is that we can't sell this as a battle vs the "Godless" like the good ol' cold war.
Ahh... how I miss having an enemy with a healthy fear of mutual destruction. - finnegan217, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2the monetary aspect (organs are now profitable) increases the temptation to put prisoners to death for lesser reasons (i.e. pressure on judges to hand out death sentences more liberally)
- Stevethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3That's one more reason why stem cell research should not get any restraints. If we -at last- learn how to make organs from scratch, all this black market of organs will cease to exist and most of all murders for the victim's organs will stop. It's a serious problem, worldwide, but Bush's administration once again have moral issues when it comes down to solving it. I'm talking only about the president of America because -let's be serious now- USA is the biggest exporter of science and knowledge, any constraints being put there and the whole world is being affected.
- brotherfranciz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@ neozeed: "Then again I'm sure there are lots of people in China speak Japanese esp after the Manchurian occupation...."
lol that is so NOT true... where did you get that idea from? Chinese people speaking Japanese? Are you serious? - abcb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2well the problem is China holds huge amounts of US bonds, so technically they are our lender, and we have to be nice to them. If we are not, they can demand repay of all the bonds and we be dead broke....
- VolatileWhimsy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think we should stay focused on this.. It is quite serious... Stem cell research opens a whole nother door.. :/ Maybe for a more appropriate topic?
I was under the impression that America is no longer producing cutting tech as it once was.. Since companies have moved out of this country the best and brightest are going overseas where the companies are.. :/ -
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