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- BloodJunkie, on 10/12/2007, -5/+33Dude, empty threats make the world go round. Remember that time Sony threatened to release a console that would cost $600?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+32***** YOU, people like you screwed up what the good old us of a used to be
- szelij, on 10/12/2007, -0/+25It's not that empty. Right now there is immense competition for oil, particularly from China. Caracas has been diversifying its clients from mainly the US and China is now in the works to superseed the US as a main client. China is famous for not interfering in any internal politics of its client countries-take Zimbabwe for example.
If Caracas says that hostile action will result in less oil for the US, you'd better believe it because they'll just turn around and sell to China instead. - Wahngrok, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20Hm, lets see: "If you invade our country, we'll stop selling you oil."
Is it just me who thinks that this reaction would be quite obvious? I mean, stopping trade with someone who you are at war with seems quite natural. But using this as a threat seems somewhat lacking... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22@TidePoolFunk: No you won't.
Personally, I hope they do cut off our oil. That way we can look into other sources for energy, and stop relying on other countries for our main energy resource. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18“The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then.”
-Thomas Jefferson - joel2600, on 10/12/2007, -8/+22i say do it. we contol other nations imports and exports at will if we think someone sneezed in our direction, but we cry bloody murder when someone tries to disagree with us.
how dare we have a different opinion than someone else! - lived666, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14They already are sending more to both China and India
"Petroleos de Venezuela said in May that it planned to buy 18 oil tankers from Chinese shipyards at a cost of $1.3 billion to allow for increased shipments to Asia."
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=a_H7VhJXt_6I&refer=latin_america - bouncebounce, on 10/12/2007, -7/+21Girls, girls, girls...
You're both pretty. - t3rr0rz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17@8086ed
So you feel the same way as TidePoolFunk? If one of the countries your family came from had a conflict with the US you would go back and fight against us?
I have no problem with people having an opinion, but if you're ready to take up arms against your current country you might want to reconsider your citizenship. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17Unless you weren't born in the US, isn't the US most American citizens' home country? You can't deny that there are at least a few things wrong with this country.
So ***** YOU; if you can't let other people have their opinion, go to Cuba or some other country where you'll have the same opinion as everybody else, because they _have_ to. - TGMD, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14My Personal Favourite:
"There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty."
-John Adams
Jefferson is okay but he was an idealist, give me Adams any day of the week. - Bioshocker, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15Every fairly elected leader who is anti-American is always mysteriously portrayed as having stolen an election. There are too many people pulling the strings who are pro-democracy but only when it churns out pro-Western governments.
The root of the hostility is that Chavez has taken control of the counry's oil reserves away from the oil multinationals. This is what he has done wrong, and this is why the standard slander template is being applied to him. "Ohhh he stole the election. Ohhh he is taking control of the government and being authoritarian. Ohhh he is running death squads."
It's a standard script that has played out half a dozen times before. It's designed to convince you he is the enemy, so then when the time comes to force him to give back control of the oil, it can be easily done under the guise of "we're defeating an evil villain!" - merm, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13He's saying "bring it on". I say he's a moron. It's stupid to have an ego so big that you're willing to make the rest of us pay for it in higher gas prices.
We have enough ego-maniacs in this country already saying "bring it on" and wasting billions. Chavez is no threat to us, just leave the guy alone. Why pick a fight with a little guy? The only thing you have to lose is more money at the pump by playing that game.
We Americans need to start thinking smarter than we have been to play and win at the new global game. We don't control all the pieces anymore. - JustAnotherBob, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14Higher prices would only drive the US to seek alternative fuels. While in the short run, this would place a extremely high cost on the US economy, switching from being dependent on foreign energy is the only viable way towards long term economic prosperity. NO MORE FREE CASH FOR TERRORISM!!!
- Brereton55, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16whatever canada will soon be the worlds largest supplier of oil
- deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12The Venezuelan elections are legitimate. The UN, among others, have certified them as being fair and accurate. Chavez is a populist. He has a ton of support among the people in Venezuela who welcome his socialist ideas. You have to understand that people vote for their own best interest. These people don't care about the US agenda. They don't even care about the long term sustainability of a socialist government or Chavez's militarization. All they care about is the fact that Chavez is finally sharing some of the oil money with the poor.
The American response to democracy always amuses me. The truth is, democracy works both ways. - stonebear, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11@ Petrarch1603
Hugo Chavez is on a world tour. - Personatech, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11"PLEASE let him do it as soon as possible. PLEASE let him make the economy of the US come to a grinding halt. I'll be sitting front row, with pop corn, really enjoying myself."
I've got news for you, friend. As the US economy goes, so goes the world's. That may be the last bag of popcorn you could afford for a while if what you wish for comes true... - TGMD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9That is true, in some respects. Although they aren't at full exploitability yet of their oil reserves. Good thing is once they get the technique down it can be applied in the US as well which means more domestic production.
Although I think a nuclear/Hydrogen economy is best (that is until we fully develope Fusion power that is, 60 years maybe?) - stonebear, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14Chavez didn't steal the election, he was elected fair-and-square in a true democratic process.
- aliengoods, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@Bioshock
"Every fairly elected leader who is anti-American is always mysteriously portrayed as having stolen an election."
Not true. In palestine, we knew the leaders were fairly elected. I think thats part of the reason we're letting Israel kick their ass. - ChileanGoD, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Iraq didn't need to actually have them.
- blasphemer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9@Dagonweb- "PLEASE let him do it as soon as possible. PLEASE let him make the economy of the US come to a grinding halt. I'll be sitting front row, with pop corn, really enjoying myself."
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Why would you say such a thing... wishing an entire economy of a country comes to a grinding hault while you sit there and eat popcorn. I'm from the US.. just a mire citizen trying to support myself and my family.. I wish no ill will toward were ever you're from and I certainly hope you don't live in a failed economy... Why would you wish that for me? - blackjack75, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8"Hugo Chavez is on a world tour."
Got tickets? - blackjack75, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Yes, but in this case the bully purchases his dope from the little guy. And he's severely addicted.
- iSEPIC, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Whats the big deal? I mean the US already has non-US oil companies taking US oil and selling it OVERSEAS, because they can make more money exporting it than selling it to ourselves. I mean, all we have to do is either push them out, or make them sell to the US at a decent price. I mean, it's all about $$$ on how much profit big oil companies make. If an outgoing embargo is set (where as all oil in the US cannot leave the US) and prices fixed, we'll be set. ***** Venezuela, and the rest of them.
- deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9It's not a threat. It's a statement of fact. A threat implies violence, Chavez is advocating a peaceful response to American agression using his oil wealth. The US has used embargos and sanctions in the past to the same effect.
- t3rr0rz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Hydrogen here we come.
- dagonweb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Hmmm maybe the US wakes up suddenly and we have fusion power in 10 years.
Or maybe the dolphins succede from earth and create a free dolphin nation on mars. - NoNom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7He said religion.
- datastorageguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"A threat implies violence"
A threat can be an unwanted (deliberate or accidental) expression of intent to execute action that may result in harm to an asset. The threat can have a form of an explicit or implicit message. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threat
He is making an ecomomic threat.
My point is that it is clear that Venezuala and Chavez (the dicatator of the month) are not very high on America's to do list. - misinformation, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9These are not threats from Chavez, as he knows we are not going to radically alter our stance towards him. This would be if we declare war, not for yelling at him. That is what he wants and actually, needs. Chavez exist soley of a poor, trampled, and uneducated base. His opposition there is pretty much everyone else. That makes this type of propaganda quite effective even when the economy has been shedding jobs since he's been in office. It's America's fault. As long as we buy the oil for him to continue throwing pennies at his base he can survive. He knows we will keep buying and we know he'll keep selling to us. In the end, both parties get what they want. Chavez, a job. The United States, oil.
- merm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5-> The truth is, democracy works both ways.
Which is one reason why neo-con logic doesn't work. If you believe that Arab countries are full of terrorists, why bring democratic society to them? So they can elect terrorists to be their legitimate leaders?
I happen to not believe that Arab countries are full of terrorists, however I also believe that many countries aren't yet ready for democracy because their democracy isn't strong enough to fight against division within their own government. I think democracy is a powerful thing, but not all countries are ready for it. - ChileanGoD, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9I love it when the little guy gets back at the bully.
- Bioshocker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Aggression can mean more than just waging war. It can mean intimidation tactics, attempts to isolate a country from its neighbours and action at the UN security council, in the eyes of these kind of guys. Remember North Korea said they would take any sanctions passed by the UN against them to be an "act of war".
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Nathan, Venezuela can get by without the US... China will easily become the new owner of the oil...
- stonebear, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Chavez has every right to be worried. But Venezuela is arming like crazy, and I can%u2019t see the neocons getting around to them with anything but light covert operations until Iran%u2019s oil is in the bag. A couple of years maybe? It will depend on stealing another election too, and the heat is really on that now. Good chance Venezuela will be OK, I have my doubts about the US.
The other side of the revolution in Venezuela: http://urlx.org/video.google.com/a585f
Can%u2019t say the CIA was involved, but the sniper terrorizing the Bolivista rally, and the sabotage of their TV station, was certainly their style. - Corvidae, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Very easily, he ups the price of all exported gas to cover the cost of everything being used domesticly. Since the state owns the oil company in Venezuala he also covers trucking costs to put it in the stations. So the 3 cents per gallon is the profit that the station would have made regardless of the price.
You can do things like that when you have a huge supply of something that the entire world wants a piece of. - saska, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Anyone who reads Latin American news with any regularity knows that this headline isn't worth reading past the first paragraph, let alone digging. Chavez issues a blustery denouncement of George Bush's designs on the invasion and subjugation of Venezuela on a weekly basis, and this one is no different.
A month ago, he swore that US spies were infiltrating Venezuela disguised as students and tourists.
The claim that the United States is actively against him is one that he uses to try and drum up solidarity among other Latin American countries, in order to develop an anti-US bloc. There may very well be good reasons for maintaining a separation between the US and developing Latin American countries, but it has nothing to do with the US being perpetually on the brink of invading Venezuela.
In this matter, the Bush administration has remained surprisingly calm. Or maybe it's just that all of the troops are already deployed elsewhere. ;-)
So if this comes to pass, the US loses 11% of its existing oil supply and Venezuela loses more than 50% of its oil income in one fell swoop - those who claim Venezuela will be better off are speaking of the country in a political sense, but not the people in an economic sense. - Zippo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4In the future, historians will have a hard time figuring out which caused more conflict and war: religion or oil.
- stonebear, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Are you crazy? Jimmy Carter is a saint, even among conservatives. Impugn him, and you might as well spit on Jesus.
- dagonweb, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Yes and we in europe would really appreciate you all for it.
What a human filth you are. You should be hospitalized. - Paroparo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That's the point. Who the hell invades a country that *HAS* WMD?
- Paroparo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Sounds like Venezuela needs to get weapons of mass destruction *FAST*.
- daelight, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Yep, just like Gerorge W + Blair threatened Saddam with 'terrible consequences' if he didn't get rid of his weapons of mass destruction.. oh hang on ...
- phogasmic, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5i love America, but we are turning into a bully of sorts. In the long run it is our best interest for countires to take a stand against us. Then perhaps our leaders will again realise that diplomacy is in the worlds best interest. Oil is at the heart of so much conflict, we should be focusing on alternative sources of energy, in the short term instead of using nuclear power to assert our military might, lets use it to give us unlimited power.
- SnapETom, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5No he's not. Carter is famous for sticking is ex-presidential nose in where it doesn't belong in order to redeem his failed presidency. He is responsible for getting us into a deal that let North Korea arm itself behind the U.N.'s back. He was famous for pissing off the Clinton Administration with his foreign policy stunts.
- mos6507, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2He is openly building an alliance with Iran. That's no secret.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3The US did try to assasinate him, and he got it on video tape... I think he has no real love for Bush since that episode... would you?
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