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- littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -9/+61Kristol Co-founded the Project for the New American Century.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Project_for_the_New_American_Century
He doesn't give a *****.
They planned this war far B4 it happened.
His twisted ends justify his means.
It's like talking to a brick wall. - shawnfassett, on 10/12/2007, -5/+55Kudos to this caller...why can't journalists actually confront Kristol, Kagan, etc. with this logic?
- jamie1415, on 10/12/2007, -3/+32Normally they don't take those calls just like the White House dismisses criticism. She did pretty good with just about all the points that he needed to hear...
- ceebee7, on 10/12/2007, -5/+33ALL supporters of the war, indeed, all Republicans, or conservatives, or neocons, whatever you call them, or they want us to call them, speak -- ALWAYS -- in isolation, in a vacuum. There is almost NEVER a person on the other side of the table who can confront them in an immediate way. This is in conflct with standard political process -- two (or more) with differing view points, discussing, even arguing, even quarrelling... but there are TWO!! It's a dialogue, a discussion. This administration has designed, perfected a way of speaking so there is NEVER a person in the room who might have a conflicting opinion. Their speeches are brought forth in a vacuum. Want to make a difference? Start advocating for discussions, for dialogues, in venues and media where this kind of crap takes place. At least Kristol was taking phone calls... Make the call! Talk back! The conservatives are COUNTING on you to keep quiet. You're busy? MAKE the TIME. Absent a continually growing opposition, nothing will change. But this IS STILL A POPULARLY ELECTED GOVERNMENT duly voted on by the PEOPLE. We are the people (as Sheryl Crow pointed out). SPEAK UP!!!
- FloppyLlamaDigg, on 10/12/2007, -9/+35>Kristol Co-founded the Project for the New American Century.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Project_for_the_New_American_Century
That link scares me. - ubuntuedgy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+25@iceperson
I'm a vet too. That doesn't mean I'm right. I get no special treatment for "my" truth because I'm a vet and neither do you.
That woman was real. You could hear it in her voice. And if you discount that, give me your ***** email and I will let you chat with a couple of my friends who are close to retirement (Army) and don't know why the ***** we ever invaded Iraq in the first place. If you're so gung-ho about this fiasco you call a war, re-enlist! Put your money where your mouth is. - Ryland, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27>People reading a script of left wing talking points often are...
Somehow I have a feeling that no matter how she carried herself, you'd be there to dismiss her. She spoke her piece coherently and well, so obviously she's faking it. If she had broken down and cried, she'd be a hysterical lefty, and how can you take someone seriously if they're hysterical?
Here's an idea: let's see if you can address the substance of what she said, rather than being a smarmy ass. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+26Kristol is scum, filthy, filthy scum.
http://www.digg.com/politics/PNAC_Founder_Neocon_and_Fox_News_Pundit_William_Kristol_Heckled_in_Austin - nighttrain2007, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19@mrfoos2
I've been a conservative probably longer than you've been alive. My family has always been of the Old Conservative variety. For once, liberals and conservatives agree on one thing. And that's conservatives, not you warhawk bomb 'em back into the stone age simpleton Republican supporters. The Republican administration drove this nation straight into a situation that it was not prepared for and considering the history of the region could never be prepared for. When history looks back in this issue, long after the puppet Iraqi government has fallen and been replaced by a theocracy, Bush will be remembered for one thing only. Sticking this nation's proverbial nose into something that wasn't the business of this nation
You and the rest of the useful idiots can hoorah until the cows come home, wave your little flags, beat your chests, and blame every damn person you can think of for the inevitable failure in the Middle East. Kristol is a nut who got much too close to power and I refuse to vote for a Republican, Giuliani or otherwise, that would continue to give these useless idiots access to the administration. Rep. Paul would shut them up perhaps (and the only Republican I would vote for) but I do imagine the administration has pissed off the general public so much we may as well expect a Democratic President. And the failure in Iraq, not to mention the past 6 years of wasteful spending, is the only thing it can be blamed on
@gabriels
If Mr. Kristol is so gung ho on this police action, perhaps he can hop his ass on the next transport over so we can give him a gun and he can get to fighting. - an0nymous, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19She was extremely articulate and did not give in to emotion. I am afraid if it had been me my contribution would have been limited to a long scream of rage.
- littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -7/+20Scares me too.
- Wonderkind, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17What a powerful heartfelt message she had.
She wasn't even discrediting the war. She just wants to try to hold her family together.
All Kristol did was give her a short. "Yup, we know" answers.
He couldn't deny a word she said, so he just danced around it.
What total *****.
Like the caller said... "Give us a break!" - dschrute, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Karma's gonna to be a bitch. I like how he mentions that he just had lunch with people who's son came back, so he understands that it's hard. I'm sure he was miserable the entire time he was stuffing his ugly face with a club sandwich and fries. Only now he can understand true suffering.
My grandfather believed that WWII was a just war, so he volunteered, went to Europe, and kicked some Nazi ass. I love all these pro "war" pussies preaching while they spend Sundays at the country club. Hypocrites, pussies, and liars. Strap on some gear or shut the ***** up. - ubuntuedgy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11"She did pretty good with just about all the points that he needed to hear..."
Trust me, he heard nothing she said. It may have went in his ears but he did not comprehend it. - spudmonkey, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12@gabriels, @mrfoos2, @iceperson et.al.
I looked at each of your profiles and can't help noticing that none of you have a .mil address.
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Get out there and get in the fight!
If you would prefer some other service like Coast Guard, Immigration and Naturalization etc. just let me know and I will get it for you. - an0nymous, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10All true. But let us not forget:
Our rights have been stripped from us. The structure of Government has been forever altered as checks and balances and oversight have been removed. The very concept of due process has been challenged. The Supreme Court has begun the process of outlawing abortion. Dissent has been criminalized.
The America of today has been diminished because of the administration and it's policies. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15Volunteer army...to serve the America's interests, not the rich elite.
Do not create a draft like Vietnam. Just bring 'em home. The elite won't be touched by a draft. - Billiam627, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13Oh man what a troop hating blame America first-er. Oh wait...
- inkswamp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10> It amazes me how much print a "military wife" or "vet" that agrees with the left can get.
That's inconceivably arrogant. How do you know she "agrees with the left"? All I hear is a woman who is at her wit's end with this incessant war and the unreasonable toll its taking on her life and her family. That you somehow read into her comments a left-wing bias is very telling. My heart goes out to this woman regardless of her political views. I wish like hell there was something I could do to help her and that's got nothing to do with politics. You understand that, right? I can't imagine how cold and unfeeling you'd have to be to hear that and think "ah... just another lib." For *****'s sake, wake up already. There are real people out there paying a real price for this folly of a war and it's time to stop writing them off because their response might somehow fail to fall into line with your political point of view. - jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16"Bill Kristol for President! He rocks!"
I notice you have a US flag as your icon. Don't you think you should put a line through it as in anti-America? Maybe get a PNAC flag instead? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13oddcarom
You are calling a soldier's wife a liar. I question your patriotism. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10"It amazes me how much print a "military wife" or "vet" that agrees with the left can get."
It's not that she "agrees with the left," it's that she has some common sense. The "left" has about as much common sense as the "right" nowdays. Hell, if you look at the beginnings of the movement, Neocons are nothing but donkeys in elephant's clothing anyway. We truly only have one party up there: the party of war, taxes and big nanny government. - jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Another term besides pussies (which is appropriate...accept too nice a term) is chicken-hawks. AKA prowar until their ass has to go. Draft them and their children first.
PS I wish I believed in Karma. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Every 9/11 hijacker came from Saudi Arabia. Did the president ever mention it? Once? Just once? I'm calling you out on your terrorist *****.
- evilregis, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Yes. They volunteered to protect their country and their liberty from real and imminent threats. Iraq was neither. The military men and women and their families have every right to be up in arms about this *****.
- knomevol, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10this war is death.
this war is death.
this war is death.
this war is death.
oil. oil. oil. oil. - LucidOne, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Why does anyone listen to this idiot? Why does he still have a platform to speak from? He's been wrong about everything! The lady caller was great, more power to her!
- 1013, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12Whatever happened to Kings riding into battle? George does think he's a decider (king) doesn't he? Let him go fight the insurgents.
- BearToy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8>Kristol Co-founded the Project for the New American Century.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Project_for_the_New_American_Century
That link scares me.
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It should.
Read more about them. These are the people who, in the late 90s, admitted that implementing their plan would be slow and meet resistance with the American people. They explained that what was needed was some sort of nationally galvanizing event... a "new Pearl Harbor". By staggering co-incidence, on 9/11/01 they got just what they needed. - an0nymous, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@ice
Way to blame not answering the question on the other side. Leads the casual observer to believe you cannot address the substance of her complaints. - ElcyionCoire, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8if voting actually changed anything Bush woulda made it illegal by now
- 1013, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Our military is falling apart, our borders are wide open, all of or our jobs are being outsourced and the Congress continues to allow the destruction of our sovereignty with the implementation of the North American Union. Our country is dieing right before our eyes. Very sad.
- jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13"Kudos to this caller...why can't journalists actually confront Kristol, Kagan, etc. with this logic? "
Cause the all have the same boss. - scabbers, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I bet he had lunch with some people who's son was in the rear with the gear, out on an aircraft carrier.
- hikaruzero, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"Because I'm a vet what I say should be taken at face value"
I see you didn't read any of the angry letters from vets on craigslist and on various other media ...
Either way, you aren't the only vet out there my boy. Being a vet gives you knowledge of the situation; but one doesn't have to know the situation to understand it. - scabbers, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8@1013: Agreed. If he wants to be Pharoah, let him lead the charge in person.
- an0nymous, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Terrorists are not our elected representatives.
- warmonger48, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8I think the word the submitter was looking for was "Chicken Hawk", not "War Hawk".
- ElcyionCoire, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4they'd have all had this "transformation" years ago if it were *their* balls on the block.
- ElcyionCoire, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4we "listen" because him and his ilk are all the media will let us hear. The backlash from all of this is only just now starting to come to a head; Bill Moyer's "Buying the War" special on PBS (http://digg.com/politics/Bill_Moyers_Exposes_News_Media_Complicity_in_new_special_Buying_the_War) is an early look over America's shoulder, and if there's any decency in the world there will be more to come.
The most shameful part is that Bush went unquestioned for so long; if he hadn't done everything to shut down unbiased coverage in the media, maybe the right people would have been able to ask the right questions years ago *before* it got so out of hand. - nsummy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I'm against the war, but what I really don't understand is that people think that because they or a family member is in the military, their commentary on this war should be more valuable than anyone else's. Sure they are the one suffering but they are also getting paid for it. 7 years ago everyone in the military was getting paid to do nothing. I didn't see the wives complaining then. I pay taxes and vote just like everyone else. My voice should be heard just as loudly.
- knomevol, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7WAR IS DEATH.
WAR IS DEATH.
WAR IS DEATH.
bring my son home - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4WHAT A TOTAL SCUMBAG.. There is going to be a revolution soon. People are not going to stand for this. Our republic has been hijacked by elitist scum.
- DavidDigg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3You know what really gets me? We've had Tenet, Bill Moyers, and now this. The accusations of war-mongering are flying. "The Administration manipulated the press!" they say. Of course Moyers puts the blame squarely on the press. But the real story, which Moyers doesn't really hit on is that the press allowed themselves to be manipulated because it was "bad for business." Americans didn't want to hear criticism of the war plans!!!
Let me make this perfectly clear: it is the business of America to extract natural resources from the rest of the world through financial and military means. America has elevated greed, manipulation, exploitation, and narcissism to the point where it is considered a virtue. The official religion of the United States is not Christianity; it is the free enterprise.
Welcome to hell, *****.
BTW, does it strike any of you as weird that there are 3 *different* numbers you have to call depending on your political affiliation? Does this strike anyone else as perverse? - ubuntuedgy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@iceperson
"If you think that by and large current and former servicemen are anti-Bush anti-war on terror then you're only fooling yourself."
Uh huh... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3How many points did you get?
- CitizenDuck, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9Two words: volunteer military.
- michaelb1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think what you said is exactly right. The media has caught a lot of flack for being sheep.
I think what the public is actually saying is that if they interview a Republican mouth-piece they should allow someone to retort. Maybe not the interviewer himself since journalist are supposed to be objective (Fox excluded obviously) but someone, a third party.
NPR does this the best. they may not have both sides on at the same time but they have them on one right after the other most times.
Bill Mayer is also good at this. His panel has both sides and its usually pretty funny to watch the neo-con get dismembered. Sometimes they make good points though and it makes the debate that much better.
I remember a few years ago listening to NPR and they interviewed some Taliban douche bag. It was fascinating to hear this guy speak and listen to what his objectives were despite my opposition to them.
At least i got a chance to her what the enemy wants instead of some government guy telling me what he wants.
What's wrong with knowing your enemy? - kahotep, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I look foreword to seeing Kristol on trial for his treasonous crimes against humanity on 9/11.
- spudmonkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@oddcarom
You will, of course, provide documentation regarding your Soros allegation....
No?
I call B.S. -
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