What is Digg?259 Comments
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -16/+96Limbaugh talking trash? What else is new?
- Feanor, on 10/12/2007, -17/+96Yeah, what an asshat. Fox has this horrible disease and since he is a public figure, he uses the opportunities presented to him to help make people aware of a line that could be used to cure his disease and stop the suffering of countless people. Then Rush comes in and accuses him of faking his illness. Very low blow.
- Cynoclast, on 10/12/2007, -5/+38Stop generalizing all [political party] as being guilty of [stereotypical behavior].
I have no party affiliations and neither would you if you were wise. How about we all just be Americans instead of being galvanized against each other simply so that one guy that doesn't care about you can gain power as opposed to some other guy that doesn't care about you. Both parties are a farce.
Political parties benefit no one but the actual people in office. Stop deluding yourself. - shrapnull, on 10/12/2007, -3/+35Typical political move, here people. The issue is STEM CELL RESEARCH, not "Was Michael J. Fox faking the symptoms of an illness he is KNOWN to already have?"
Support the research, by supporting candidates that support it. - Redwood, on 10/12/2007, -8/+34Umm, THE bill?? There is more than one bill, happyclam, including Repub sponsored and supported anti stem cell research bills... democratic deception?? They are politicians, but in this case, they are being factual. I think you may be listening to too much Limbaugh and Savage, there are news and opinion sources that attempt to be factual and not just inflame their listeners with righteous (an inaccurate) indignation, you might want to check them out.
- ProximaC, on 10/12/2007, -3/+29So it's ok if I call you a raging *****-douchebag, monkey-faced, butt-sucking ass, as long as I say "i'm sorry" 15 minutes later?
- alphaterminus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+28Happyclam, Rush was on in my office yesterday and you are spouting off, verbatim, his talking points.
This is such BFS, the wording of this law could apply to embryonic stem cells. I used to be a republican and voted for W twice (I thought him the lesser of 2 evils), but now that the party is completely hijacked by fundies and their pseudoscience, I've registered as independant.
This is exactly why a third party is needed. There is no home for people like me who are fiscally conservative and socially semi-liberatarian, which is what the republican party used to be. - ProximaC, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26Born in Canada, but has dual citizenship. He is a US citizen.
- Pootle4rthur, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23so, because you know someone who has less severe symptoms, it proves M J Fox is faking his?
My grandmother had Parkinson's and she shook most severely a lot of the time, though not consistently, all the time.
Perhaps different people have it in differing levels of severity, and therefore exhibit differing levels of symptoms.
Just a thought - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -14/+33neuro:
>I do want to say in Rush's defense though, that he did apologize for the remark he made.
Not quite. He DID write that he "stands corrected" but after what he said he should be giving an actual apology to Fox. Actually, after what he said he should get down on one knee and grovel and beg for forgiveness.
His apology was a non-apology. Like Rush himself, who's too cowardly to stand up and apologize. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -23/+40Limbaugh was saying these things because the failure to medicate him self with painkillers made the pain of his own inadequacies to hard to bear.
Viagra for sale fat man. - TheShad0w, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17Its possible he didn't take his medication but honestly thats what the disease looks like. And to say that he was "acting" is just wrong and an insult.
- Bartboy919, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Im glad Fox responded to this jerk ass.
- digduggler, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17So the prevaling defense of Rush is that MJF didn't take his meds? So showing the debilitating effects of this disease in all it's glory is faking it? Showing what the disease actually does is misleading? Does it seriously have to be mentioned that a lot of people don't have health care, a lot of people can't afford these meds?
- diggumjonez, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16@neuropsychguy:
Sean Penn has as much right and responsibility to discuss politics as Fox has to discuss Parkinson's. Fox might have a closer relationship to his subject, but politics is something that affects every one of us and each person, celebrity or not, should be encouraged to be open about their beliefs. Otherwise, only politicians would be knowledgable about politics. Sean Penn actually went to the Middle East, toured areas the rest of us only read about in the newspaper, and shared his reactions. By no means do I completely agree with Penn, but to attempt to discredit his statements by saying he has no business sharing them is an affront to the freedom of speech and freedom of the press that are the foundation of this country.
I'm offended by the recent Missouri ads with Kurt Warner, Jesus, and Everybody Loves Raymond's wife, attempting to counter the Fox ads through Aramaic soundbites about how evil stem cell research is, but it's certainly their right to say it. I just hope they sleep better knowing they're killing Alex P. Keaton. - jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Doesn't matter if he said sorry...he said it and either he was all high and didn't know what he was saying or he's about the coldest hearted man on the planet (next to Dick)
- Kyderdog, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14Rush needs to chill and take a Pill
- swoopdog, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15figures only a ***** conservative would accuse someone of faking something like that.
- PunkHop, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13I just wish that Michael J. would have not gone so lightly on that piece of *****.
What Rush said is completely despicable and disgusting - if he himself had such an illness and was made fun of for it, we'd never hear the end of it.
Limbaugh is a self-centered worthless scumbag. Michael is a beloved actor and humanitarian. I can't believe how often this kind of stuff is said in our good ol' US of A. I'm embarrassed.
I wonder how difficult it is to get citizenship in New Zealand. - Detritus, on 10/12/2007, -8/+17That interesting, but let's be clear... You're not defending, Rush, are you?
Democrats and Republicans both make those of us in the center disgusted by their use of half-truths... but I've never heard of that jack-ass Al Franken saying anything this callous and rude to defend his position. - ProximaC, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11People who make thier living off of constantly bashing people as mr Limbaugh does do not get the liberty of saying "oopsie" afterwards. He has a research team, and he has writers, and he knows more than anyone that you can't just say anything you want, then take it all back when it doesn't go your way.
His appology was just as much of a lie as the original comments. - digduggler, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10"anybody who can't afford the meds isn't a real american"
You sir, have no soul. - NSMike, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Indeed. Sadly, Parkinsons is a neurologically degenerative disorder, which a lot of people seem to forget. It's not just a bunch of shaking around, because while inconvenient, and incredibly frustrating to live with (my grandfather suffered from Parkinsons... doing anything that required precise movements or strength was an ordeal, and medication was useless for him) the disorder ususally causes fatal failures in the nervous system. To accuse someone of faking the disorder, or failing to take medication (Limbaugh should know ALL about that one...) is shortsighted, foolish, and insensitive. You can't fake the neurological effects.
- chiste, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13Compassionate conservativism. hahahahahahahahahahah
- imnojezus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I'd say that the point here is that Limbaugh should have known the facts BEFORE he made those statements. He made a baseless accusation on national radio, and we're supposed to forgive him because he said "Oh, sorry" 15 minutes later? This is precisely the problem plaguing every media outlet in America right now. If you make a statement that you know a lot of people will hear, you'd better make damn sure you're not talking out of your ass.
- swiftwings88, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9@nblsavage
An excerpt from Fox's autobiography that appears on the Web site of the Michael J. Fox Foundation for Parkinson's Research, says this about a 1999 appearance before Congress: "I had made a deliberate choice to appear before the subcommittee without medication. It seemed to me that this occasion demanded that my testimony about the effects of the disease, and the urgency we as a community were feeling, be seen as well as heard. For people who had never observed me in this kind of shape, the transformation must have been startling."
from jsonline.com - ProximaC, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8It affects people differantly. A guy in the church I used to go to was diagnosed with it, and died from it in 3 years, and by the second year he couldn't talk or control anything and moved more violently than Fox did in his commercial.
People can react differantly to a disease. It happens. - jbus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6For those that are criticizing M.J. Fox... My father has young onset Parkinson's like M.J. Fox and his symptoms can fluctuate wildly from day to day, hour to hour. In fact, some of the medication he takes actually exaggerate the swaying/squirming movements that Limbaugh was criticizing M.J. Fox for.
My father has been diagnosed with Parkinson's for over five years and his neurologist is still trying to find a right balance for his medication. It is very difficult and to make it worse some of the current Parkinson's medications have horrific side effects that most people are completely unaware of and the drug companies desperately are trying to hide from the public. For someone like Rush "hillbilly heroin" Limbaugh to smear M.J. Fox because of his symptoms is absolutely disgusting. - KissTheRing, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8There is nothing misleading about it. What he said was "...opposes the MOST PROMISING research..." and by most promising he is referring to embryonic stem cell research. Research that is done on blastocyst that are going to be tossed out as medical waste otherwise.
- k0sty, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9has anybody looked at the costs of medication for parkison's disease? while mjf can afford it, there are a number of human beings all across the world who can't... personally, i see nothing wrong with him not taking the medication in order to show just how bad the symptoms can be
- umfskibum, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Just a quote from William J. Weiner M.D., professor and chairman of the department of neurology at the University of Maryland Medical Center. Hope this might clear up this argument a bit.
"What you are seeing on the video is side effects of the medication. He has to take that medication to sit there and talk to you like that. ... He's not over-dramatizing. ... [Limbaugh] is revealing his ignorance of Parkinson's disease, because people with Parkinson's don't look like that at all when they're not taking their medication. They look stiff, and frozen, and don't move at all. ... People with Parkinson's, when they've had the disease for awhile, are in this bind, where if they don't take any medication, they can be stiff and hardly able to talk. And if they do take their medication, so they can talk, they get all of this movement, like what you see in the ad." - LesterKing, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Sounds like he's already had too many pills...
- ddcrandall, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7There's a transcript below the video....
- DaysInTheDark, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5People need to differentiate when it comes to types of stem cell research. It's rarely a case that someone is completely against ALL stem cell research. There are multipotent (adult) stem cells and pluripotent/totipotent (embryonic) stem cells. Ongoing research shows it may be possible to turn multipotent cells into pluripotent types.
The controversy is over embryonic stem cell research. A blanket statement such as "Republicans are against stem cell research" is not true. - KissTheRing, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@davebg8r
Damn right I'll digg you down. I don't care if he said he was sorry 15 minutes later, the fact that he choose to spin a persons genetic disorder in such a reprehensible way in the first place speaks volumes of his character. I'd bet money that his producers made him do it anyway. But it all backfired on him, now the entire nation has seen this ad, and this ad helps any democrat who support embryonic stem cell research and what dem. doesn't. So let Rush rant and then help get the democratic message out to the masses, the people of the US can see how awful it was for him to say what he did.
So yes, I'll digg you down! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+13Ctraider:
>SO it IS possible.
I was so angry after what you wrote that I was going to write "You're a f***ing idiot and I hope you get Parkinsons." but then I realized that you might not be aware that masking the symptoms for a couple of hours at a time is not the same as "faking it" nor is it a good way of getting a senate panel to understand the gravity of the disease.
In order for people to understand the gravity of the disease they need to see what it is a person has to go through, day to day, their daily suffering. This is not "faking" it -- in fact, taking a medication that only masks the symptoms IS faking it. It makes it look slightly nicer to the outside eye, no different than having brain cancer and not taking a pain medication to show that you can't function.
And, just for the record, the motions that you saw on the ad weren't from Parkinsons, they are one of the side effects of the medication itself. Nice, huh? Now, go and confess your sins in the confessional for even THINKING that he's "faking it." - seansshack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Right OK. For those who BELIEVE in what this idiot has stated. My father had Parkinson's disease for 15 years and DIED from it last year. His death was a collection of:
Agonising muscle cramps, hallucinations, incontinence and violent shakes. Basically ending in total full time care, not really being there for most of the time. Rarely being able to talk and eventually shutting down and death. Considering he had been stripped of all quality of life along with human dignity, death was an escape from this horrendous disease.
Now Fox not taking his medication is not and I mean NOT exploiting the effects of his disease. That statement alone is enough to send my blood pressure through the roof.
It is however only showing the actual disease. The drugs work some days, others the don't actually they stop all together as this disease progresses. All fox is doing is showing the quality of his Life for REAL.
A well person accusing him of faking it is plain and simply sick. Considering he has devoted what is left of his life to this cause is commendable what you stupid political views. I'm Irish so have no bloody care for Republican or Democrats or whatever.
Most people with this disease would curl up in a ball and die. This young man is fighting for himself and the others that have it will get it after him. You mother, your grandfather your child. If you think it if for politics. That is your belief.
Or could it be a sick young man with a cause?
Stem cell research may work or may not. I don't have a medical degree so this is a subject that I can't have an opinion on. Not an American or a politician. So I have no interest in games for this party, this research, and this belief. I don’t know who this apparent talk show host is and frankly don’t care.
But if I had the disease I would be hanging on to any hope and any person who had the balls to fight for that hope.
An damn the person sitting on the sidelines with no interest in the game other that to critique and throw accusations at those ones that are making an effort.
So forget the politics for a second. The fame. The apparent benefits of this research.
Just look at this issue simply at the core.
A sick young man just got public ally accused of faking his disease for political gains. Sad beyond words……………….. - pexor, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Somebody needs to say this -- getting off of your meds and faking an illness are two completely ***** different things.
- noodlez, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6i'm close to being in the same shoes as you on the political spectrum, but i don't recall a time when republicans were anywhere near socially libertarian. buuut, then again, i'm not that old, either.
though i do believe we're the closest right now to being able to break and form a third party than we've ever been in the recent history. - senseigmg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Some Illinois people pronounce the "S", just as some people say missoura, chicaaaago, clam chowdair, etc.
- Ansible, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6So what if he laid off his meds? That way you see the harsh reality of the disease, undisguised by drugs. Speaking of which, harsh reality undisguised by drugs is something that Rush has shown an aversion to in the past, I guess here's more of the same...
- rationalist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6You should be more tired of people who can't correctly spell a simple four-letter word that's been in the news for weeks.
- crilen007, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Even if he was acting, or didn't take his medication, it's still an example of what people go through when they can't afford such medication.
Either way I support him. My Grandfather has parkinson's and it's getting worse. He falls down stairs, and all kinds of things. It's sad to see him this way.
Go MJF! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8karmatic:
>the media is DEFINITLY spinning his comments
I read what he said. If he's being "spun" why did he write an entire page of "oops, I stand corrected?"
I realize that it's the Republican MO now to just attack any and all messengers, but this kicks back against you guys when you attack people with debilitating brain disease. It shows how disgusting you've become. - osirisothedead, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Laying off the meds would have made him more rigid. The meds enable movement, not the other way around. Do some research before posting such stupidity.
- digduggler, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11"..here has been a tradition in this country of bipartisan efforts to cure all of these diseases or to come up with vaccinations for them, but never mind that, we're in the process here now of damaging what has traditionally been this bipartisan effort in addressing and curing illnesses by politicizing them". Speaking the truth? Huh?
Are you seriously claiming that stem cell research has not been politicized? That this is the first attempt at politicizing this issue?
Furthermore can you imagine if [insert liberal pundit here] suggested Reagan was faking it? Get some ***** perspective asshat. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6That is just low, even for that fat bastard.
- michaelb1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Dude, millions of people listen to that jackass.
He's the biggest fundraiser for the NeoCons.
He raises all the money just by lying on the radio and scaring people. - lordTalus, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11This is a fact, and you can verify this in Fox's own words in his biography: Michael J. Fox often goes off his medication to demonstrate the symptoms of UNTREATED parkinsons. Limbaugh's comment was not a 'smear', if any political entity is going to use sick people in their political campaigns, they are not automatically free from scrutiny.
In this instance the candiate is claiming the opposition is planning to ban stem cell research. This is not the case. Using Fox to spread distorted, misinformation does not give the commercial a free pass. Limbaugh's comment did not in any way shape or form attack Fox or anyone else suffering from Parkinson's disease. You can digg me down, but at least listen to his commentary before you blindly bash a conservative talk show host for picking apart a politicians campaign. -
Show 51 - 100 of 254 discussions
Check out the new & improved 
© Digg Inc. 2009
— Content created and posted by Digg users is