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- hawkeye17, on 10/12/2007, -20/+76She comes off as crazy and she is. Anyone that believes Americans who oppose the war in Iraq are supporting the terrorists is a nutcase. Wolf just pointed out her hypocrisy of ripping Webb when the crap in her own book was much worse and she lost it. Typical braindead Republican...start losing an argument and resort to smear and fear tactics. No wonder Dick is a dick.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -11/+47When answering Wolf about people being arrested and interrogated despite having no ties to terrorism and this ***** says “I think that you might be a little careful” declaring someone has “clean hands.” Someone might remind the sweet, dear thing it's actually quite the opposite in this country -- we're supposed to "be careful" declaring some "guilty." What a piece of work.
- ne0shell, on 10/12/2007, -19/+45Nice to hear she knocked Hitler off the top of your list.....
- hawkeye17, on 10/12/2007, -9/+34Nice. People trying to lash me over morality while they support "Macaca" Allen? And for the record..Lesbianism = fine with me, Pedophilia = sickening. How much do you want to bet that the same people here that are raging about equating pedophilia with lesbianism and praising Cheney are Hastert supporters too(yeah, he knew nothing about Foley right?!)?? This whole debate over books is designed by Allen and the Right to make people forget about the real issues affecting people like Bush's botched war, a VP saying he supports waterboarding, Katrina response, etc. .......
- omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -12/+34"I mean who can defend a series entitled 'Broken Government,' honestly?"
Have you been paying attention to the news? The scandals going on? The deficit? There's plenty broken about the current government, and it's not just liberals saying it. For Pete's sake, Congress has a 15 percent approval rating! - deanlowe, on 10/12/2007, -9/+26If conservatives are so against gays why the hell are they writing books with lesbian love scenes? You hate what they do in the bedroom but you don't mind making money by writing about it? What a hypocrite.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -11/+28Oh no, someone wrote about sex!
I don't give a ***** about what Webb wrote, and I don't give a ***** about what Cheney wrote. We have this little thing called the First Amendment which kind of nullifies your moral objections to anything anyone writes or says.
Lynne Cheney is a complete moron for objecting to Webb's writing on any level beyond the fact that it sucks. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+20*plonk* *flush*
- jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -7/+19Only bad guys do propaganda.
God, do any of you watch 24? - ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -7/+19James Webb writes stories about the experiences of soldiers in Vietnam. So his stories happen to involve the weird sexual predilections of the locals in those areas during the 70's. Lynne Cheney is writing about the Oregon Trail. So her stories happen to involve lesbian sex down south as the wagons go west.
The point is that Wolf is showing there is a bit of hypocrisy when a man writes about sex and is being lambasted when someone from the opposing political party is also writing a novel about sex. While the imagery is graphic, it's not written as pornography in even the slightest sense. Lynne Cheney, on the other hand, is writing porn that is anything but graphic. - JamesK, on 10/12/2007, -7/+18Broken Government is actually a great title and a very interesting series. Lots of fiscal conservatives are interviewed about how pissed they are about the ballooning federal budget. America needs real fiscal conservatism. Give us a 50% income tax cut. And elect a libertarian!
And Domestic Surveillance is B.S. Call it what it is: Spying on Americans. - weareglass, on 10/12/2007, -16/+27I'm about as liberal a person as they come, but I am kinda in agreement with some of the things she said. In many cases it's the pot calling the kettle black, but both are indeed black. CNN has become increasingly less centrist and objective. I think it's a reaction to Fox News' in-your-face conservativism. I mean who can defend a series entitled 'Broken Government,' honestly? I continue to get some of my news from CNN but it's frustrating to see them acting so one-sided and makes it hard to argue that the press does not possess massive liberal bias when people make that oversimplification.
- pawchikapawpaw, on 10/12/2007, -13/+23Did anyone else notice that Wolf Blitzer placed a lesbian affair in the same level as pedophilia? No? That he thought it was a gotcha moment for Lynne Cheney and her hideous blouse when he pointed out this *glaring* hypocrisy on Lynne Cheney's part that she wrote about a lesbian affair, therefore Lynne Cheney shouldn't be outraged at all about Webb's novel? Because you know, it's about *lesbians*. That's certainly on the same level as pedophilia, right?
Quick, you NaziRightyRedneckDumbasses! Act all outraged! Lynne Cheney wrote a book about lesbians! Tell your friends! She also has a *lesbian* daughter... who is a lesbian. Don't ask questions, it's the same thing as putting a boy's penis into a grown man's mouth! Trust the enlightened!
It's funny because people who are telling people that lesbians are not the same as pedophiles are the same ones who get accused REGULARLY by the tolerant and the enlightened as homophobes simply because they are on the wrong side (read: NaziRightyCHRISTIANDumbasses) are being dugg down for their comments. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+18I'm going to that link to digg it down.
- omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -9/+20CNN only became "left" when Fox News started airing its right-wing bias. CNN is not left. It is just to the left of Fox News.
- omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -14/+24Monolith does have a point. I wouldn't call Mrs. Cheney's behavior "unhinged" so much as I would call it uncouth and tasteless. If she was unhinged in any way, it was from reality. She thinks "domestic surveillance" is from Democratic talking points. What else would anyone call it?
- jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16"We've been through...{Katrina, 911 etc}"
Those tasks are completed? - patience, on 10/12/2007, -11/+20Thanks shawnfassett.
Read the excerpts. Mrs. Cheney should be ashamed of her bad writing.
Webb is a much better writer and has sold more.
Mrs. Cheney sounds like a bad Creative Writing 201 project. - Koosebane, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I see the presence of outspokenness is only applauded when it's over a liberal cause. My, the crude, insulting reactions in this thread are most 'progressive.'
Where DID you get the film, Wolf? I'd really like to know that, myself, since we failed to get an answer
The film in question was not 'news.' It clearly and inarguably shows foreknowledge of what was about to happen. It was not captured from a 'person on the street' point of view. The fact that a film depicting the murder of an international peace keeper from the murderer's point of view is accepted as legitimate news shows clearly that we've been sold out by elements of our own media.
'Terrorist cam' footage should not be given a shred of legitimacy by airing it on our own news outlets. The efforts of those who orchestrate and commit blatant, premeditated, cold blooded murder of peace keepers to further their own cause are CRIMINALS.
Pwn3d on his own show. Now THAT'S entertainment. - omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16It's not that liberals would be offended by a lesbian love scene so much as a woman who campaigns for the party that wants to ban gay marriage. But that irony seems to be lost on you.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Instead of the thinkprogress blog *****, here is a link directly to the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWcymCbSKqc
and the transcript:
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash.htm - aceg1357, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Let me ask you a question. Do you think the US media should have given Hitler a fair shake and equal time in the US during WWII? Are you telling me the media during WWII shouldn't have wanted the US to win the war. CNN and other US news organizations don't have to "toe the line" with the administration but shouldn't they want the US to win?
- Koosebane, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7"Snuff" films are not news. They are twisted examples of unashamed evil.
If this were a film of a ten year old girl being shot from a snipers position taken by a madman in a clock tower for his own sick entertainment, the film would NEVER have been shown on any legitimate television channel.
The decision to show this film was undeniably a political one simply because of WHO was doing the murdering and WHO was being killed. - omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Lest we forget, Bill O'Reilly's "Those Who Trespass"...
- opinionmill, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7If the press is going to be an active player in elections (Rathergate) and Iraq (CNN Sniper videos), candid but respectful questions to the media about their position on issues need to be asked.
Mrs. Chaney came across strong, not unhinged. - wintermd, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9We need to keep hammering CNN. Just ask them the simple question? Do you support the USA in this war? Their real answer is NO.
- Koosebane, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I want responsibility.
Furthering the agenda of criminal snuff film makers isn't news. Refusing to legitimize terror campaigns is NOT spin.
The power of terrorism is directly derived from the media. Terrorism plays on lowering morale and causing psychological stress in order to blackmail free people.
Without media attention, terrorists would lose a great deal of their power to terrorize entire populations and demoralize them.
By showing their handiwork, CNN is playing right into their hands. - Koosebane, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5And I must point out, you are advocating the unrestrained promotion of actions that are the very epitome of FEAR MONGERING.
I guess is doesn't count as long as it isn't done by some disliked politician....even though it IS outright MURDER. - mofomojo, on 10/12/2007, -8/+13They're problems, not tasks. And the problems that led to those disasters have been solved in a half-ass manner by the current administration and the GOP. I think the real debate, right now, is whether the Bush administration is either incompetent or criminal.
Maybe both, maybe just one of the two. Either way, they aren't doing the United States of America any decency by remaining in their position of power. - TopherT, on 10/12/2007, -8/+13If only there were someone in the Cheyney family who value rights and liberties (Other than for Iraqi's and Oil cartels) over partisanship.
- FyberOptic, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9IT'S ALL A DISTORTION. LA LA LA LA LA LA LA CAN'T HEAR YOU.
- Koosebane, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Your strawman arguments have little to do with my views and you know it.
In case you hadn't noticed, terrorists are the ENEMY. They don't get a fair shake. They don't receive equal time. We want to defeat them and end their reign of murder and destruction in the least chaotic means possible. Removing their main source of power by restricting their message and limiting their ability to terrorize populations is one of the best and least harmful ways to accomplish this goal.
If you believe denying butchers a voice on our own news outlets is PROPAGANDA, you have a skewed sense on what it takes to win conflicts and save lives. By showing these cold, calculated propaganda pieces, CNN has undeniably encouraged these monsters to make MORE films to show the American viewing audience.
If you want to watch peace keepers being murdered in cold blood and believe they have redeeming value to the social betterment of the world and human kind, get your news from alJazeera, bub. - lwoj, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11I like to read political news posted on Digg for the responses of the American people in the comments sections. I know a lot of Americans already know this, but I thought I would say it anyway, I thought it might be reassuring to hear this from an outsider (I'm Canadian) observing American politics:
The Democrats and liberal-leaning media are pointing fingers at the Republicans because the Republicans are doing awful, terrible things to the American government, the American people, the Iraqi people, and the thousands of American soldiers and tens of thousands (possibly HUNDREDS of thousands) of Iraqi civilians who have already died in a pointless war.
The Republicans are pointing fingers at the liberals because they have to cover their asses somehow and have no other way to get out of the ***** they've gotten into; all they can do is divert attention and cast doubt on their accusers in order to confuse the public. The Republican finger-pointing has been at best simply untrue. While I may not be well-read on all cases of this, the many many cases I have seen were all shameful slander.
Yes, CNN does have a liberal bias, and it is allowed to have that bias. In this case it means they are justly reporting on some of the downright crazy things the Republicans have been doing. Right-wing media like Fox news are also allowed to have thier biases. But there is a point at which support for Bush and the Republicans goes beyond a bias and results in misinformation of the public. The right-wing media is deliberately NOT reporting stories that matter to all Americans, because it would lower support for their darling party, the Republicans. Right-leaning media in the US is untrustworthy.
Lynne Cheney suggesting that CNN's and Blitzer's stance is sympathetic to terrorists is a blatant ploy to scare the public into continuing their support for Bush and his government, and it simply isn't true. Or maybe she truly believes that Blitzer wants the terrorists to "win", in which case her view of reality is terrifyingly distorted, and she is still incorrect.
PS- While "Broken Government" is a bold title for a news bit, it is by no means a wild distortion of the truth. And the "domestic surveillance" thing? What would she prefer we called it, "illegal wiretapping"? - Wavey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Got interrupted, or my previous post would've been longer. But I'll add to it here and you an example:
All of these networks, as I said, start themselves with the viewpoint -- however misguided and blind to the reality it might be -- that they are reporting the truth, that they are informing the masses, that they are upholding the storied history of noble American journalism and the freedom of the press and on and on. From their vantage point, there is no bias. How could there be? They are speaking the TRUTH (in their mindset).
Turner, as you say, is a businessman, that is true. But he was not only a businessman; he was also very much involved in the politics of CNN, right from the beginning. Do you know what a style book is (or a style "sheet")? In journalism, it is a set of word usage, punctuation, capitalization and other related rules for journalists to follow when writing copy. Every major media outlet has such rules.
I remember a rule that Turner laid down from the beginning: the word "foreign" was banned. Anyone that used the word was fined something like $50 or $60. There were a large number of other such rules through the years -- more recently, the use of "burka" was banned for a time in favor of phrases such as "Muslim traditional gown" or "burka-style" instead of just the word "burka" itself. The word "liberal" was very much discouraged, though not banned outright, and was usually edited out of copy.
CNN has since used the word "foreign" again, after Turner left, but it is an example of the way these things are influenced from within the organization. Reuters has banned the word "terrorist" from its lexicon, as another example.
There is bias all around; no escaping it. - everfalling, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9why didn't wolf find the specific passages that mentioned these lesbian sex acts and call her on that? i mean, if we're gonna push this at all, why not make sure that if the author denies content, you recite content? wolf missed a good oppertunity there.
- jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9"Do you want us to win?"
(that's all America needs to win)
Come on people, say yes! - pawchikapawpaw, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5right because a stumble on a word CLEARLY says that. it's right there, see? you can't see it? whip out the amplifiers and audio decoders, it's right there! Poor-ism! it's not like she called it "a storm that is taking away publicity from MY book tour", or anything.
quit yer whining. - mofomojo, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10I agree, our rights and liberties precede all morals and partisanship.
- Wavey, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Of course I am aware that Turner is no longer with CNN, but you were talking about the beginnings of these companies and made the claim that CNN was not begun with a leftist slant. And I am here to tell you that, most definitely, without a doubt, without argument, absolutely, that it was.
Also, my mentioning of the fact that Klein got his start at CBS was only a reference to when I first met him. It was not a claim that "since he worked at CBS, he must be liberal."
Klein, however, knows how to play the game. He is driven by money, and has been chastised by some media players -- and indeed, internally by his own company, CNN, at times -- for hiring conservative voices. This is simply because he knows that going too far left will result in a failed network. So he plays the game, and plays it well. Hire some token conservatives, such as Glenn Beck, to "balance" the line-up -- while still keeping the main stance of the network decidedly leftist. There are a lot of chess-game moves that go on behind the scenes with these companies, and Klein is an accomplished player.
You seem to never give up, and props for trying mightily to make a false point -- but as I said, I was there during its gestation period, and I also know what it currently looks like from the inside. And from my vantage point, trying to make the argument that CNN was not begun with a leftist slant is patently laughable -- I know it was not. And trying to make the argument that simply because Turner is gone now, things must have changed, is equally laughable. You simply do not know the internal workings. And I must say, you are also even ignoring most of the external signs that anyone with an objective eye can see. As I said in my original post, CNN is definitely biased to the left, as Fox is biased to the right. That is decidedly NOT news. - Wavey, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7...And CNN was founded by Ted Turner, who is about as liberal as they come. And the current president, Jonathan Klein? Very nice guy, got his start at CBS. And about as liberal as Ted Turner.
- jmw1234567, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6FYI - thinkprogress.org is not a credible reporting site, and sadly neither is CNN these days - Ms. Cheney pointed that out to Wolfe!
- Muyoso, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Its truly amazing how evil some of the liberal people are on this topic. They call her names and criticize her for expressing her opinion. I mean, arent liberals suppossed to be the party of acceptence and of total freedom of speech? Now its more like, we will accept what we like, and allow speech that we agree with. Its sickening. She made some cogent points in this interview.
- aceg1357, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5It isn't like they don't want the US to win. They do want the US to win if Dems take control of the white house and congress in 2008. Then they will want the US to win. But until that time they are more than happy to show terrorist propaganda to help Dems take power. Not that they are biased or anything.
- Ironcitizen, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Mrs. Cheney spoke truth to those who just think they are power.
- n00ch, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9Anyone who takes these shows seriously shouldn't be voting. That these have become representative of 'politics' and our political system is pathetic. Turn on PBS, watch a documentary once in awhile, and read from reliable sources. Don't watch this theatrical 'prime time' *****.
- Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -8/+11Republicans don't *****, they have servants for that kind of thing.
- wintermd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Broken Government story that never covered the spectacular economy that was a direct result of tax cutting? That never covered the economy Clinton left the USA with? Seems like CNN is trying to help Clinton get on his sex problem.
Come on. - canadianguy33, on 10/12/2007, -10/+12I agree with weareglass and I'm surprised that he's being dugg down.
I wouldn't even call CNN 'news' anymore seeing that nowadays they do more opinionating than actual reporting. It's not that I don't agree with a lot of their opinions, it's that they present opinion pieces as news. - omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9It's not so much about the personal bias of the reporters but the corporate bias of the owners. I have to keep explaining to people that CNN doesn't have a liberal bias; it has a corporate bias. Whatever it airs has to remain palatable to its advertisers. But unlike CNN, Fox News was engineered from the beginning to strike a political tone to the right of its competition. News outlets in the past at least tried for objectivity. There is no equivalent to Fox News on the left in terms of a deliberately ideological or partisan slant.
- pawchikapawpaw, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7really? is that it? because it has nothing to do with the issue of webb's "shock" novel, wolf clearly set the context of his question. there was no mention of gay marriage anywhere, so what's gay marriage have anything to do with it?
too bad they can't out cheney's daughter as a lesbian to use her against her will for the democrats' cause. that seems to be par for the course. it's okay to be gay, but god forbid you're a conservative lesbian. THEN it's wrong for you to be gay. it's abnormal. gays, like blacks, are supposed to only support one party, right? because it's such an aberrant behavior that there's just no possibility that gays, like blacks, have varied political opinions as the normal heteros, right?
it's amazing how the supposed group of tolerance and diversity cannot just tolerate the likes of a conservative ***** or even a parent of one. -
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