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- aaron755, on 10/11/2007, -6/+61holtzman thinks there's more than enough to impeach ... more than nixon ... and that's not counting torture. hard to argue that.
- ScorpioPT, on 10/11/2007, -12/+57Impeach or impale...?
- seks03, on 10/11/2007, -10/+52I'm for impaling the both of them
- DangerCollie, on 10/11/2007, -2/+38That argument doesn't hold water. The real issue here is whether the president gets to make up the rules as they go. We impeach based on what's right or wrong, not any other reason. He broke the law or he didn't. He trampled on the Constitution or not. If Bush/Cheney aren't worthy of impeachment, then no one ever was. I'm not buying that our country can't handle impeachment while the troops are in Iraq. We're made of stouter stuff than that. The country will heal, the troops will get back home. If there's evidence of criminal behavior impeach those sonsabitches and let's all move along.
- baerga, on 10/11/2007, -4/+36kucinich does have an interesting focus, arguing that Cheney alone should be impeached because in his mind it's really the Cheney Administration. but interested to see if you buy the Dem. Congressional argument that the most important thing is to get troops out of Iraq and impeached would delaythat -- rather than put more political pressure to hasten it. also curious: is there enough to impeach?
- ButterBuddha, on 10/11/2007, -4/+35Worst Administration Ever
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+31Impeachment means nothing. It is merely a political "gotcha." The GOP ruined impeachment as a real tool in the 1990s. It has no meaning other than as a political punishment.
George Bush and several members of his administration need to be indicted for their crimes. They should be brought before a jury and prosecuted for their crimes. There are many. Torture is a crime. Wiretapping without warrants is a crime. Theft by deception is a crime. Using federal dollars for political meetings is a crime. Paying journalists federal money to support administration positions in the media is a crime. Firing attorneys to obstruct justice is a crime.
Indict the *****. - vroom101, on 10/11/2007, -1/+27Article on one page:
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/06/24/the_i_word?mode=PF - berb, on 10/11/2007, -0/+20Do we have to pick only one?
- BelXul, on 10/11/2007, -3/+19I hated Clinton. I wanted to see him impeached, yet, when it happened, I was unhappy. Why? I was unhappy because of the flimsy excuse that congress offered. There were other issues for which he could have been impeached, I'm sure, but they call off an investigation into Whitewater because they find that Monica has been smoking Willie's meat cigar and had a stained dress to prove it? I felt that Clinton was impeached for the wrong reasons.
But I've moved on, voted for Nader, and was dismayed years later upon hearing about what's been going on in the White House today. Presidentially sanctioned torture. Prisoner transfers to foreign countries to be held indefinitely in secret. Unconstitutional wiretapping. Don't forget: Attempted murder. I hope no one has forgotten that Dick shot his buddy while out hunting. He told his story and no one called for an investigation, as would happen to nearly every other person in the country. His story doesn't line up with the ballistics tests. The constitution says that a person can be impeached for high crimes and misdermeanors. I'd say this more than qualifies. I'm not counting on the police to do their job, as they haven't in 2005 when they should have done so, but I believe in holding Congress to a higher standard. I support H.R. 333 calling for the impeachment of Richard Cheney. - j24kman, on 10/11/2007, -1/+16Maybe I am paranoid, but from their complete disregard of the Constitution and the best interests of the American people, not to mention Congress, I think there is a reasonable chance that, facing impeachment, Bush and Cheney would, on some trumped up national emergency basis, dissolve Congress, declare martial law and in one swat, kill democracy in this land of ours. These guys and their cronies would just love that. I have always suspected that they have weekly showings (as opposed to readings-which might be beyond some of them) of "The Handmaid's Tale" and discuss afterwords how to make it happen. I just get the feeling that these guys are way ahead of the curve on this, expect and, in fact, want it.
- laserblazer, on 10/11/2007, -0/+15You forgot salting the earth where their ashes fall.
- Mardala, on 10/11/2007, -2/+17I agree with Danger. If there is any reason impeachment is part of our checks and balances, this is it. I see it as a catch 22. As long as this administration has a grip like it does we will never see us with an Iraq solution and the bodies will keep coming home. They don't care about what happens to you or me. Impeach them.
- rcook18, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15I'm not sure whether impeaching Cheney alone would be enough. My thinking is that, even disgraced and out of office, Cheney would continue to drive the agenda of the Bush administration. I believe they both have to go.
- looselips, on 10/11/2007, -2/+15"I'd like to see [Bush and Cheney] tried and convicted and put behind bars," says Washington's David Swanson, co-founder of After Downing Street, an organization dedicated to doing just that. "That would be a satisfactory outcome. Not because I dislike them or think they're unpleasant people, but I don't want future presidents to think they can do these things."
- mhoyer, on 10/11/2007, -7/+20Where do I sign up to get them impeached? There should be a serious power of the people movement right now... just show me where to sign.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14And acquitted of lying under oath.
- kokopelli2001, on 10/11/2007, -7/+18Investigate.
Indict.
Impeach.
Imprison.
None of the above will occur because Americans are more consumed with themselves in the here and now than with the long-term future of their own country. The tenure of the Bush / Cheney / American (Right-wingnut) Christian Taliban has done enormous damage to this country and it will take generations to repair, if anyone cares. - avenu420, on 10/11/2007, -9/+20Clinton was impeached for lying under oath. The current administration has done much worse.
- thatsmyaibo, on 10/11/2007, -11/+22No, Clinton was Impeached for lying under oath. And yes, that is a serious offense.
- schwack, on 10/11/2007, -3/+14There was a time when a true democracy was the will of the people. We live in a fascist Republic, make no mistake. Got Habeus Corpus? Sure, do nothing! Don't impeach, why bother? @LoveWidescreen "Bush and Cheney are out here in 19 months anyway!" The will of the people has to be aware enough, strong enough, and diligent enough to make democracy work. Cheney and Bush would have been out years ago, had the American public decided to get a spine. They did not. Will they? Will we? Apathy, anyone?
Gather the faithful and propose a toast, to the age of indiferrence. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12"Somehow along the way in this country we have become really afraid of impeaching,"
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"Somehow"? There must be a direct threat. Everybody in congress knows what the MilitAry-indusTRIal compleX did to Kennedy, at 9/11 and what'd it will do if it's source of war profits is threatened. - novask, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10Bury in marked graves so that future generations who go on field trips will see / hear "OK Children, this is where Hitler was buried and right next to him is President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney.
- DangerCollie, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11"There is absolutely no evidence anywhere that President Bush has done nothing illegal."
What color is the sky on your world? - dvgrhl, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11Or until head pops off.
- DangerCollie, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10You're suggesting the president has too much power to impeach? I don't believe that. I'd believe the Democrats are too sissy to actually try it, but I don't believe anyone is above the law. Even Bush and Cheney. I'd have more respect for the Democrats if they tried and failed instead of not trying when they're not certain of winning.
- Artifez, on 10/11/2007, -4/+13If this was a movie this would all be an evil plan that Cheney has been sowing from behind the scenes. But this isn't a movie, it's just sad.
- laserblazer, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9-1 for poor use of sarcasm
- Providence, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10I thought the title was "the "l" word" (lesbian).
- ZWarren69, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8That made my day.
- Seth024, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11"Bush and Cheney are out of here in 19 months anyway!"
Bush is preparing to invade Iran. We might want to hurry up. - Endemoniada, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8...How about linking to the beginning of the article, and not the last page?
Seriously, how hard can it be? - conna, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8...steps in line
- jpell05, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7We need term limits.
Congress doesn't want to impeach because the democrats know that it will increase their majority come the next election. As long as a republican is president while America goes to hell, the democrats will only stand to gain from it. Maybe if we had term limits, Congress would be more willing to take risks because they know that they aren't going to be in Congress for too long. Term limits are the best way to reduce corruption. Only then will Congress be bold enough to impeach (and remove) the president. We need our president to fear the people. He doesn't. - Mardala, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7??? that makes no sense. I think you need to read a bit more.
- saltmiser, on 10/11/2007, -9/+15the oil companys won't put up with this! expect gas prices to skyrocket as punishment!
- MacLiberal, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7Diggers like to believe that americans really want to impeach but the Congress is stopping them, all the time forgetting that it was the american people who put these corrupt politicians in power. The american system is corrupt from head to toe, it doesn't matter which monkey you put into power.
- Derrekito, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5I'll pay $5 a gallon is we just get these douche bags out of here!
- blacklilyninja, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6ok... so to be above the law all you need to be is president and or vice president of the US. While Impeachment has been made moot there should be at least one other option in place of it.
i mean if a president accidentally strangled a mistress in a hotel suite, u can bet the secret service would be cleaning it up for the stability of the nation. so whats to stop these men from doing worse? nothing. In the name of national security the prez and his vice prez are untouchable. - Tourney3p0, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5All he had to do was get a warrant. The system was in place and easily could have been used in order to legally obtain a wiretap. There is no good, legal reason whatsoever to need to bypass the warrants.
By the way, I'll be by your trailer tomorrow to install a few cameras. I'm not going to tell you where they are, but I'll make sure the bathroom cam is done tastefully. It's for your own safety. - dbutters, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Hey! You're not allowed to say things like that! Under the Bush/Cheney/American (Right-wingnut) Christian Taliban (BCARWCT) National Security Act of 2003, you're forbidden from criticizing the current administration! You will be under covert surveillance for the next three weeks in order to determine your accomplices, then you will be imprisoned for 900 years and any evidence of your existence will be destroyed. You will become an un-person.
jackass. - HigherLogic, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Why bother impeaching? So it's in the history books and on record. History will forget the trivial things about this Administration, the sentiment of the people, and everything else. They don't deserve to get off that easy for the things they've done.
- demizer, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6We need a revolution. Impeachment will offer us no salvation. It will only bring in some other f'ck to replace the current f'ck up. We need to take this country back from the corporations who are robbing our future generations of their future.
- ummagummas08, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Yea, it's totally wrong to hate someone as a person, even if they did do a lot of stupid *****, and aren't worthy of governing your life, what the hell is your problem? ***** Nazi.
I think your view points are very valid, I mean I don't think they will come true, but calling someone ignorant for making this kind of assumption is .. well.. ignorant. - Aggaman, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Of course there is, but the political climate is not amenable to punishing presidents for real abuses of power. Clinton was essentially impeached by fanatics as part of a public witch hunt, to try to make him look bad. The fact that the American public didn't buy it speaks to their credit.
But even Nixon was impeached for what amounted to political dirty tricks. Call me when a president is impeached for illegally carpet bombing a country (Nixon), funding terrorism (Reagan), or basically starting a war based on ***** (Johnson, Bush... etc.).
The political class in the US is like a police force that only ever arrests people for shoplifting. - paris922, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I agree with you rcook. If one is impeached they both should be impeached. Otherwise which ever one is left will continue with the agenda already in place.
- phineous, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6FTA: "I'd like to see [Bush and Cheney] tried and convicted and put behind bars," says Washington's David Swanson, co-founder of After Downing Street, an organization dedicated to doing just that. "That would be a satisfactory outcome. Not because I dislike them or think they're unpleasant people, but I don't want future presidents to think they can do these things."
- Mardala, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5For the record the Clinton impeachment did go nowhere. He wasn't convicted.
I agree that an impeachment would not do what needs to be done without the conviction. But I think these people need to be held accountable for what they have done. Cheney is getting rich off of this war. It should be pretty apparent it's not about our freedom or securing the middle east. One thing a conviction will do is bar them from serving in public office. But then again maybe Cheney will just keel over from a massive heart attack and save us the anguish. - cybernezumi, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Worth digging for the last paragraph alone: "Ultimately, the decision is a political one. Even in Nixon's case, Kutler points out, some Republicans stood by the president until the bitter end. Among them was a first-term Mississippi congressman on the judiciary committee named Trent Lott, who declared himself opposed to impeaching presidents. A quarter-century later, as Senate majority leader, he helped lead the drive to impeach Clinton."
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4If you don't make an example then more will do the same or worse. Impeach!
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