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- finishline08, on 09/30/2008, -5/+97This should be played continously on TV to remind the American people of John McCain's judgment or lack there of.
- p9s50W5k4GUD2c6, on 09/30/2008, -2/+72McCain failings here
--> Failure to stand back and ask responsible questions to vet the intelligence reports (same mistake as with the Palin 'vetting' process)
--> Leap to serious judgments based on the absence of facts.
--> Rush to judgment to commit young Americans to war - which is a frightening pattern with this man. - Veronica98, on 10/01/2008, -4/+45Mark Halperin and Mike Barnicle said that the Media was to blame this morning on MJ and that they have dumbed down America- even more reporters are dumb. Perhaps that is the clip that can be played along with this one. I wish Jon Stewart could use those clips.
Here is a "lowly" IL State Senator on the prospect of going to war with Iraq- note he even calls for Bush to enact policies to stop our dependence on FOREIGN OIL and calls out Exxon Mobile!! Barack knew this Bush Admin was full of it- why didn't McCain?
Remarks of Illinois State Sen. Barack Obama Against Going to War with Iraq
Chicago, Illinois – October 2, 2002
Note: this speech was given 5 days before Bush gave his first “War” speech in Cincinnati on 10-7-02.
"I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances. The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil.
I don't oppose all wars. My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton's army. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil.
I don't oppose all wars. After September 11, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this administration's pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such tragedy from happening again.
I don't oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.
What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income, to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.
That's what I'm opposed to. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.
Now let me be clear: I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.
But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.
I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences.
I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.
I am not opposed to all wars. So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the president.
You want a fight, President Bush? Let's finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.
You want a fight, President Bush? Let's fight to make sure that we vigorously enforce a nonproliferation treaty, and that former enemies and current allies like Russia safeguard and ultimately eliminate their stores of nuclear material, and that nations like Pakistan and India never use the terrible weapons already in their possession, and that the arms merchants in our own country stop feeding the countless wars that rage across the globe.
You want a fight, President Bush? Let's fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells.
You want a fight, President Bush? Let's fight to wean ourselves off Middle East oil through an energy policy that doesn't simply serve the interests of Exxon and Mobil.
Those are the battles that we need to fight. Those are the battles that we willingly join. The battles against ignorance and intolerance. Corruption and greed. Poverty and despair.” - Berkana, on 10/01/2008, -1/+34This is old news, but in all honesty, McCain didn't have to push Bush to go to war in Iraq: Bush had already decided to invade Iraq 8 months before 9/11, according to Paul O'Neil, Bush's former treasury secretary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky2t_tDsZrk - nobillary, on 09/30/2008, -1/+31I wholeheartedly agree with finishline08! It's pretty doubtful it will happen though
because (and I'm willing to bet here) the networks don't have the cohones to do it. They are hell-bent on protecting John McCain from any bad press, and that's probably not going to change anytime soon. That's a very sad commentary on the media, for America. - ginny56, on 10/01/2008, -1/+29Why isn't there more reporting on this issue and the Keating scandel? If it was Obama it would be all over the place. I read an article where a bunch of State level republican bullies want to bring up the Reverend wright, and a couple of other things on Obama. I say if that is all u got bring it on, and that makes all this on McCain fair game.
- jobobshishkabob, on 10/01/2008, -2/+20Right, everyone was calling for retaliation against al Queda. So what's your point? We're talking about Iraq here.
- 1oneWON, on 10/01/2008, -2/+16Bush may not have needed a push as he had his eyes set on Iraq from the beginning, but this just shows the rush to action on the part of McCain who's foreign policy views continue to appear to be sudden military aggression at even the slightest hint of hostility. I don't want him in charge of the big red button.
- Brallit, on 10/01/2008, -1/+14"I bet you were looking for the US to do something too."
I was kinda hoping for something more like "capture and kill Osama Bin Laden."
Instead we got "blood for oil in Iraq" and McCain supporting this idea full throttle. - algaeturd, on 10/01/2008, -2/+15This man would want to go to war with BAMBI if he could. It's the only thing he knows and the only thing he's close to being qualified to do. Keep Americans at war and keep them occupied...they will forgive you for all the other stupid decisions you've made (see 2000-2008 for proof).
- novenator, on 10/01/2008, -0/+13Obama has a way of cutting through the bs and getting right to the heart of the matter. Great speech. thx
- novenator, on 10/01/2008, -1/+14Thank You for digging this up! People forget so easily how mccain supported all the false premises of the Iraqi invasion.
- twiztidsinz, on 10/01/2008, -2/+14Just say "NO!" to War Mongers.
- Bith8654, on 10/01/2008, -0/+12How the hell have I never seen that before? Thanks!
- inactive, on 10/01/2008, -0/+11I think you can filter out political stuff in your preferences? Try this: http://digg.com/settings/topics
- AmericanElitist, on 10/01/2008, -2/+12McCain
* Advanced false claims made by the Bush Administration about the threat of Iraqi WMD
* Connected Iraq with 9/11 by repeating the false claim that 9/11 hijacker Muhammad Atta had met with Iraq intelligence authorities in Prague before 9/11
Just the kind of mistake he continues to make with his quick trigger gambler attitude. - 1shawn, on 10/01/2008, -4/+14McCain = McSame
Voting for McCain is like voting for Bush again. - anonblog2008, on 10/01/2008, -2/+12Obama to McCain (Debate #1)
You said it was going to be quick and easy. You were WRONG!
You said there were WMDs. You were WRONG!
You said they would greet us as liberators. You were WRONG!
You said that there was no history of violence between Sunni and Shia. You were WRONG!
This video:
McCain: "There was a meeting between Iraqi Intelligence and Mohammud Atta in Prague"...WRONG again!
McCain: "That would be part of an overall strategy when we get to that point"...WRONG again!
McCain: "Relations with terrorist organizations"...WRONG again!
McCain is about as accurate as a weatherman...and I wouldn't trust my weatherman to run the country. - hotvision, on 10/01/2008, -0/+9Obama was actually on the O 'Reilly Factor, a three part interview series in which he is grilled to the bone but still holds his own, because he is intelligent, and therefore quick on his feet, even Billo admits this. So you should shut the ***** up and actually look into these things. Im surprised you have clearly missed one episode of the factor.
Anyways, stop blaming everything on the media, they are often liberal in their personal notions but it doesn't mean they do not report the truth in their news. (They would either be liberal or conservative, so unless you want robots to report the news...)
Their commentary may appear to be leftist, but if you actually examine the issue the fault often lies where it should, and not within the reporting. For example, large corporate companies have failed due to a lack of any real disciplined regulation, McCain has a long history of deregulation as does the neo-conservative republican party. There is no spin here, it displays a conflicting event in large part due to a flawed philosophy. You just gotta face the fact that the republicans have ***** up and its our turn to lead. OBAMA BIDEN 08 :) - dcell3, on 10/01/2008, -0/+7they have $5K plus a pop to pay for make up now.
- Berkana, on 10/01/2008, -0/+7The difference is that Bill was stating his foreign position, whereas Bush finished and sealed actual war plans long before he ever made Iraq an issue with the public. That amounts to criminal conspiracy to wage a war of aggression. Men were tried at Nuremburg and hanged for such crimes after WWII.
- inactive, on 10/01/2008, -0/+7What makes a man turn neutral ... Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?
(Futurama) - VitriolAndAngst, on 10/01/2008, -1/+8And he was also pushing the certainty of who was sending the Anthrax, based upon un named experts in the Maryland Bio Weapons Lab -- the same lab where they actually came from.
- Ultomato, on 10/01/2008, -1/+7innocent civilians being killed, bin laden has yet to be punished and al queda is stronger than ever. yeah it sure worked out...
- RhoVisions, on 10/01/2008, -0/+6This is what I find funny... the extreme that's painted.
The Democratic view is not that Obama is some holy being. He is simply the best choice we see for America right now. Like you see McCain as the better choice.
So stop being childish and make a point, or continue to be bitter and make us all think you're 10 anyway. - richirwin, on 10/01/2008, -1/+6John McCain - Not an ounce of leadership.
- MindyB, on 10/01/2008, -0/+5But Bill did not invade Iraq based on false information, he did not deceive the American people into giving up its young soldiers to an ill planned and ill gotten invasion. Bush and McCain have the blood of the thousands of soldiers and innocent civilians dripping from their hands.
- twiztidsinz, on 10/01/2008, -0/+5By consuming the blood of innocent children.
- Genecalypse, on 10/01/2008, -2/+7thats what i call GOTCHA journalism
- cheezintern, on 10/01/2008, -2/+7No surprises here, what-so-ever.
- MindyB, on 10/01/2008, -0/+5No, of course he didn't have to push Bush to invade Iraq, what he did was flame the war drums so people in the media would buy into it and then convince Americans to also buy into it. What McCain did in that video is lie to the American people about "facts" that were not actual facts in order to brainwash people into believing that Iraq had an involvement with 9/11 and therefore were deserving of an attack by us. What McCain did was despicable beyond belief.
The blood of the thousands of soldiers and innocent civilians is dripping from McCain's dirty hands. War Hero?? Please! He is a pig! - yojimbo911, on 10/01/2008, -1/+6McCain = Military DRAFT
Mark my words. - Atmandk, on 10/01/2008, -0/+5Nobillary, do you really think it's doubtful that the major TV networks will play a continuous loop of John McCain lying to the American people after 9/11 in the propaganda campaign to initiate a war in Iraq? I'm being sympathetically sarcastic here.
- cquinnd, on 10/01/2008, -0/+4The Keating scandal is considered old news, and did not appear to hurt his senate career, so did not have as much political punch over the years. It might be worth some PAC or independent group bringing up in light of recent events, but the campaigns themselves would probably only mention it if the mud-slinging gets really heavy.
The issue of his comments on the invasion of Iraq are a lot more recent and relevant to statements he made in the last debate. - adventflux, on 10/01/2008, -4/+8Just say "NO!" to go-carts.
- wunksta, on 10/01/2008, -0/+4were they protecting america when they set saddam up, funded him and supplied him with weapons? or was that their interests they were "protecting"?
- HippyJM, on 10/01/2008, -1/+5He was on Letterman mid Oct 2001 saying how Iraq was next and so on.
- sportman, on 10/01/2008, -1/+5I feel like this is something that is well known, everyone knows McCain supported the IRAQ war, almost everyone was on board, I strongly disagree with people saying that the press does not go after McCain, I always see bad things on McCain and rarely anything on Obama, yea the thing with his minister caused a big ruckus but thats because someone went out and tried to make spectacle of them-self.
- farfromok, on 10/01/2008, -0/+3Why thanks for the invite to dig down. It's a real pleasure.
Republicans and real facts are strangers.
By burying *your* crap we're operating a real democracy but I would never expect a Republican to appreciate one of those.
Oh, greetz from the UK! - shig, on 10/01/2008, -1/+4Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 or Al-Qaeda.
Granted, there's nothing wrong with wanting revenge for thousands of dead Americans, but shouldn't that anger be aimed at the perpetrators, and not just shotgunned across an entire region of the globe? - cquinnd, on 10/01/2008, -0/+3Which is why Bill Clinton continued to enforce the Sanctions and No-Fly zone that were established under George HW Bush during the previous Gulf War. And continued the program of weapons inspectors that have since been proven effective at curtialing Iraq's weapons programs.
- malignatius, on 10/01/2008, -2/+4But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.
—Luke 6:27-31. NIV - andrew522, on 10/01/2008, -0/+2Have you been in a shell? most of Europe already has government funded healthcare. We are trying to implement a system like that here, and people say its a "utopian dream". It's extremely feasible.
The problem is, people keep convincing themselves that these kinds of programs don't work. Remember back at the start of Social Security and Medicare? Those were pushed for by democratic leaders, while conservatives balked at the idea.
Is america better off with or without them? - inactive, on 10/01/2008, -0/+2Suck my *****.
- phroztbyt3, on 10/01/2008, -4/+6I say we go to war with sweden.... there too DAMN peaceful... and educated... and friendly....... 'cries'... I'm done :
- Hotortillas, on 10/01/2008, -0/+2It is not about cohones, it is about complicity
- cquinnd, on 10/01/2008, -0/+2What is Hillary's viewpoint on McCains reversal of position?
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…………………………………………………….’’~-~’……....................... - malignatius, on 10/01/2008, -0/+2A reply from Sweden: We surrender.
(Actually you should Invade our neighbours Norway instead, they're the ones with oil resources) - cquinnd, on 10/01/2008, -0/+2The real fact is the McCain is the only one at issue here with his RECENT comments on the subject.
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