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- wikoogle, on 11/09/2008, -106/+1925Ever heard the phrase "seperate but equal"
No gay people, we won't let you get married. But you can be in civil unions and we promise that you will have all the rights and privilages of a married couple.
Oh, but you can't adopt kids. And that kid that you did adopt already is going back into an orphanage.
I guess ripping apart families or forcing kids in adopted homes to be thrown back into the system is the Chrisitian thing to do these days. - OrganicPicknick, on 11/09/2008, -43/+948I find the part most annoying that they actually take away kids from the gay couples that have adopted them already. that's just cruel.
better a stable gay couple than a defunct straigt couple. how can the law determine who is stable? this must be assessed on an individual basis. - JenniferInMO, on 11/09/2008, -40/+757This breaks my heart. The religious right has gone too far and the rest of America who votes for these discriminatory laws are just plain ignorant. This law, harms children. Period.
The foster care and adoption systems in the US are at crisis levels. We have thousands of children growing up in group homes, being raised by minimum wage workers who come and go all the time.
I have worked with foster kids and THE WORST thing a foster child can experience is another move. It causes tremendous psychological harm. Attachment disorders are difficult to treat and there are few well-trained professionals available. Attachment disorders result in behavior problems, criminal problems and even a complete lack of empathy.
There were few gay couples fostering children in Missouri where I worked, but every single couple was financially and emotionally secure. They had prepared themselves for a child and had a mutual and passionate desire to have a child in their lives. I cannot say the same for all of the heterosexual couples. While the vast majority of heterosexual couples were wonderful there were many who brought children into their families thinking it would help their ailing relationships.
Gay parents have a well developed sense of empathy and a desire to meet the children's emotional needs. While the gay community is as diverse as any other, they were our best foster and adoptive parents. - KOSmurfy, on 11/09/2008, -20/+654Step 1. Force teenagers to put their baby up for adoption instead of aborting them.
Step 2. Prevent those children from being adopted.
Step 3. ???
Step 4. Get caught having gay sex. - JenniferInMO, on 11/09/2008, -34/+617What? You mean people who "cannot marry"? Are you saying that gay couples are unstable?
- apastafarian, on 11/09/2008, -17/+446They're trying to "prove their stability by marriage", but the religious right won't let them. Catch 22!
- inactive, on 12/08/2008, -29/+335It would be nice if some of these people would look at the research from the psych community. (I mean the real scientists, the "Christian scientists") instead of personal opinions that they are not qualified to give before they rip families apart. Study after study shows that kids with gay parents are fine.
- cquinnd, on 11/09/2008, -20/+292booksnmore4you , please provide the statistical evidence for your experienced assertions.
- volvis, on 11/10/2008, -14/+267My "real" experience, having grown up in a gay home, tells me you're full of *****.
- kismetropolis, on 11/09/2008, -28/+279Legislating hate.
And supported by voters. It makes my heart sick. - algaeturd, on 11/10/2008, -24/+268It's so ***** up that this country can take two steps forward and three steps back. I'm even more shocked that 70+% of African Americans and 56% of hispanics voted for the ban on gay marriage in CA. What's so tough about equality for all? You can't be for civil rights only if they positively affect you...you have to fight across the board or not at all.
- threemagic, on 11/10/2008, -24/+258It was very clear that he/she is very narrow minded.
"prove" stability by marraige? seriously? is this 1920? Just because you are married doesn't mean you are more stable, it might mean you might force a bad relationship to last longer and mentally harm your kids but it doesn't mean it's stable. Besides, look at the divorce rate and tell me again how stable it is. - stevedriskill, on 11/10/2008, -7/+208separate but equal is the racist's and homophobe's dream
- sgiffy, on 11/10/2008, -32/+229*****. Looks like we can add another 400 kids to the list of victims of faith-based stupidity.
- infinitexx, on 11/09/2008, -12/+206Ah, it seems everyone forgot that marriage is what makes a relationship stable, not the connection between the partners. Some very rudimentary google searching reveals that Arkansas had the highest divorce rate (after Nevada, big surprise there) in the country only a few years ago. I've also seen some evidence from other countries that allow gay marriage that indicates gay couples are less likely to divorce.
- kisforkat, on 11/10/2008, -13/+194Coming from a divorced home, I can most definitely say that a stable childhood does not come from married parents... trust me on this one, guys.
- NikoKun, on 11/10/2008, -11/+182You have no basis for claiming they are "unstable" other than your own ignorant discrimination!
- Roland1232, on 11/10/2008, -19/+186This is terrible news. People live in Arkansas?
- NaziHatinChimp, on 11/10/2008, -20/+165Yeah a child is better off without a family then with a gay couple. These kids don't need homes. Your right.
I hope you die. - Godlike, on 11/10/2008, -4/+143And it's just in time for Christmas! What better way to show Jesus that you love him than by tearing a child from the loving arms of a parent?
- thepoliticalcat, on 11/10/2008, -9/+132Your argument is specious, at best. In the event, most of my LGBTQ friends are in long-term -- very long-term relationships. My oldest friend of that persuasion has been with his partner for 32 years. How long have you been with yours?
- SeanCallan, on 11/10/2008, -15/+132I think he is pretty clear in what he meant.
- kisforkat, on 11/10/2008, -9/+119Well if my parents are divorced now, they would obviously have to have been married at some point, wouldn't they? Maybe you're unfamiliar with the progression of things, I'll clue you in. When two people love each other very, very much, they get married and have little bundles of joy. Then mommy gets fat and daddy stops wanting to bump uglies, and one day the police show up at your house at 5 AM and take daddy away, and that's how families work!
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My point is going through a divorce as a child is one of the most stressful things one can go through, and with the divorce rate where it is, it's more likely that these married couples are going to break up than stay together. So this law is completely pointless. I'd rather have grown up with two people who were unmarried and having sex than two people who were married and hated it. At least you know the people having sex actually like each other. - jhchrist, on 11/10/2008, -5/+113@Kajarago
Well, presumably, before her parents were divorced, they would have been married. I can't speak for her, but perhaps her point was that things were more tumultuous before the divorce than they were after it. - rhummer37, on 11/10/2008, -5/+111Gay sex is the profit?
There must be a better way - jimchap, on 11/09/2008, -91/+197I guess these are 'good Christians'. Of course, nowhere in the Bible does Christ refer to homosexuality. These stupid, backwoods Cletus ***** need to realize this is the 21st century. Seems like the gay community is getting whacked.
Expel Arkansas from the Union or jail these *****.
I'm getting so tired of the kidnapping of Jesus.
These are the folks who will greet you in Hell. - grinsy, on 11/10/2008, -6/+110In a free state laws are not written with the purpose of prohibiting an activity among a large group based on the behavior, no matter how bad, of a subset of that group.
This is legislated discrimination - there is no difference between this and a law that, for instance, would prohibit the adoption of a white child into a black family for similar absurd reasons.
The state has to hire qualified people to help determine the fitness of foster or adopting parent(s) on an individual basis. The voting public can't meet every applicant on an individual basis. - oldgal, on 11/10/2008, -6/+105The first lesbian marriage is not still together. One partner died. Rumor has it this can also happen to heterosexual couples.
- FreckleEars, on 11/10/2008, -5/+98Discovery Channel backs you up! Canadian statistics show gay marriage to be more economically and mentally stable then straight marriages. My straight parents divorced and split my sibling and I up... not cool. For the record I think its great for gay couples to take kids in and marry. That is one less kid that has to be born in a broken home or to a ***** kid in high school!
- inactive, on 11/10/2008, -7/+99roommates should also get the same benefits as married and gay couples, they are obviously only living together because they cannot afford to live by themselves. after paying all their income taxes and all the hidden taxes on their consumables, just to cover the tax breaks and benefits of married couples whose non-societal contributions are that they 'love' each other and 'have sexual intercourse'.
I dont understand the need for the government to endorse any type of marriage. marriage is a contract between individuals, and is only accountable to those individuals.
get the government out of private institutions. - inactive, on 11/10/2008, -3/+95"this must be assessed on an individual basis. "
It is, that's why they got to adopt kids.
This is purely about bigotry. Nothing else justifies it. It's just being a bigot. - thashiz, on 11/10/2008, -8/+99I live in Arkansas and voted against this amendment. But here's the thing - I researched the issue before going into the voting booth. I knew HOW to vote on the issue. Many who did not research the ballot before voting were confused by the wording of this state question and accidentally voted the wrong way.
Almost everyone I know in my community was against this amendment - particularly because it effects heterosexual cohabitating couples as well as homosexuals. But the question was worded (intentionally) to confuse voters. A radio station morning show here (105.9 KLAZ) took calls the day after the election and all but one person who called in about this issue expressed frustration that they had been duped into voting YES by the obfuscated language.
If it had been worded more clearly, the ban may not have actually passed. - Noceous, on 11/10/2008, -7/+92@ dk911
FTA: Of same-gender partners raising children, 41.1% have been together for 5 years or longer, whereas 19.9% of heterosexual unmarried couples have stayed together for that duration.
You were saying? - zeblith, on 11/10/2008, -2/+77Can we please start calling them the religious wrong? It sounds too civilized for them to get to be called "right" just because they're the opposite of left.
- ronincowboy, on 11/10/2008, -15/+90Hm, what would Jesus say about this? Maybe "Whatsoever you do to the least of my people, that you do unto me"? Practice what your savior preached Christians.
- richbleak, on 11/10/2008, -3/+77dk911: You should have just saved some time and typed "I don't know what persuasion means".
- BowieX, on 11/10/2008, -6/+76Brilliant. Four steps to "Compassionate Conservatism."
- inactive, on 11/09/2008, -24/+94No, the world is a backwards hellhole.
- inactive, on 12/08/2008, -4/+74Excuse me, I meant NOT the Christian Scientists.
- Bith8654, on 11/10/2008, -2/+71If only those kids were fortunate enough to even be stuck with a defunct straight couple. They just lost their one chance at a semi-normal childhood. And considering how much psychological damage is done to many kids in orphanages, they may have lost their only chance for a semi-normal life. It's absolutely disgusting that people could do this to children, all in the name of Christianity and "family values."
- jerrycan, on 11/10/2008, -6/+70I see your sarcasm. You're right. Gay people should be allowed to marry as well as adopt.
- inactive, on 11/09/2008, -29/+91Someone needs to commission a study on the frequency of child abuse and molestation in Evangelical Christian families. I bet foster kids would be much better off in a gay household than in a christian one.
- levitron, on 11/10/2008, -8/+70As Gandhi said: “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.â€
As a Christian myself, this has always been one of my favourite quotes. - 5xSTUN, on 11/10/2008, -15/+75Every time we think about same-sex parents
"Oh, my gosh!" we exclaim
I mean, two people who want to provide a protective
And nurturing family environment
Have they no shame?
-- Roy Zimmerman, "Defenders of Marriage" - emailowndme, on 11/09/2008, -4/+64I thought you should have done more with that "separate but equal" phrase, :)
- duhduhduh, on 11/10/2008, -20/+75It's not only gay families or want-to-be families that this hurts. It applies to all unmarried persons. Arkansas is probably pissing away several million dollars they will have to use to defend this vile ammendment. The last time they tried this it focused on gay persons, and that didn't work out in the courts, so the fanatics went after all unmarried folks. AR proves once again that it is filled with a majority of stupid rednecks.
- Jwoey, on 11/10/2008, -3/+55It's the same argument I use. Don't worry, you can have civil unions! It's the same thing! (sorta) It just won't be what the straight people get.
Don't worry, you can drink from public water fountains... It just won't be the same ones white people drink from. - inactive, on 11/10/2008, -4/+56There's no ***** grandfather clause?
And ***** you two above me for not realizing how few GOOD families there are in the adoption world, and in truth how many are just looking for their monthly check. - hokie47, on 11/10/2008, -8/+60Wow gays really got screwed this election. Very sad
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