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- JanHus, on 12/12/2008, -25/+82No wonder people are stockpiling guns and ammunition. If the Constitution goes or is changed in substance and character, the United States of America will cease to exist.
That is the moment of civil war. - OldTimer1933, on 12/12/2008, -11/+56The INTENT of our 'original Constitution and Bill of Rights was trashed long before World War II -- back in 1803 with the Marbury v. Madison in which the Supreme Court took the authority to review and invalidate government actions that conflict with the Constitution. However, this ruling placed the Supreme Court above the Constitution and its intent -- which was to limit the power of 'government'.
NO Constitution or law can work properly if INTENT is ignored. Let's face reality, if the INTENT of OUR Constitution and Bill of Rights had not been so skewed or ignored by politicians and activist judges, all the Iraqis would have needed to do was translate it into their own language. But they KNEW, so they spent months trying to write language into their Constitution that would prevent the abuses that had happened to ours.
We don't need a NEW Constitution, what we need are people in government who abide by Original Intent, not those who would circumvent every part of it to suit their own agendas. Term limits for ALL government officials may be a solution but since we must rely on politicians to change it, I don't know how to get the job done since they are surely not going to change anything that would be to their disadvantage but only to give them MORE power as has been done with most of the 'changes' added to the Constitution and Bill of rights by later Amendments -- all of which were crafted by self-serving politicians. - doUknowhim, on 12/12/2008, -11/+44Like I said in a previous post... As the Constitution goes, so goes America. (not very profound, but very true)
- Jeff82, on 12/12/2008, -2/+26It's not missing, they covered it in the Declaration of Independence, second paragraph:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
Look up "jury nullification". It's the last line of defense (not including outright rebellion) betwen the People and a runaway judicial and legislative bodies. No wonder they don't teach it anymore! So much easier to control the masses if they don't know how to be free!! - uncajoe, on 12/12/2008, -3/+25Is The US Constitution a Living Document?
http://digg.com/political_opinion/Is_the_US_Consti ...
http://centerleft.info/?p=505 - inactive, on 12/12/2008, -25/+46It has been downhill ever since Lincoln’s illegal war. Lincoln's war didn't preserve or restore the Union; it DESTROYED it and supplanted it with a new polity based on radically different premises. Just as Marxists of his era gravitated naturally toward Lincoln and vibrated like tuning forks when he spoke the language of raw power and ruthless centralization, Marxist academicians of our era understand the true nature of what Lincoln accomplished. Most people are unaware that Lincoln was perfectly willing to permit slavery to exist in perpetuity, and to allow restive states to be independent in everything but name, as long as Washington, D.C. was able to continue collecting the taxes necessary to keep its bondholders happy.
Lincoln learned that the old Union could not possibly survive. `A new one had to be embraced.' And the new Union would have to be based on a new constitutional order."
That new order, would be based on the premise that "the federal government, victorious in warfare, must continue its aggressive intervention in the lives of its citizens." Familiar institutions would remain, but their roles would be redefined and their powers completely revised within "a new framework of government, a structure based on values fundamentally different from those that went before."
For decades, the Soviet Regime and its agents celebrated Lincoln as a precursor to Lenin, and for very good reason: Both Lincoln and Lenin displayed nearly limitless tactical flexibility in pursuit of the power they exercised ruthlessly in the effort to create a vast, centralized Union.
Shortly before his death, General Lee – in a characteristically graceful reply to a kind note he'd received from Lord Acton – explained that "the maintenance of the rights and authority reserved to the states and to the people [were] the safeguard to the continuance of a free government." By suppressing the option of secession, which is the ultimate peaceful check on the ambitions of a central government, the North had DESTROYED that safeguard.
In words that have the undeniable heft of fulfilled prophecy, Lee predicted that "the consolidation of the states into one vast republic, SURE TO BE AGGRESSIVE ABROAD AND DESPOTIC AT HOME, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it."
Look around today at the "ruin" of which General Lee predicated WOULD OCCUR. Those ruling us have pledged something in excess of $8 trillion – more than half of this year's gross domestic product – to provide a financial cushion for the politically connected criminals who preside over our financial system. In that fact we can see the real nature of the "Union" created by Lincoln: It is a forced marriage between the ignorant or deceived host and eager, esurient parasites.
The logic of Lincoln's triumph is that "the right to govern is paramount over the right to live, that man is made for government, rather than government for man, and that for men to claim the right of self-government is to deserve and incur the death penalty." This is why the Power Elite exalts Lincoln's name above all others and celebrates him as the Holy State made Flesh.
For those who reside within the bunkers and gated communities of the Power Elite, the rest of us are useful only as something to be consumed: We are producers whose earnings can be taxed, whose properties can be seized, whose children can be conscripted.
The sentiment and mythology that encrust the relevant history, the comparison between Obama and Lincoln is an apt one, and not just because they're both tall, skinny men from Illinois (albeit by way of Kentucky in Lincoln's case, and Kenya – most likely – in Obama's).
Obama, a well-compensated legal agitator and foundation-connected "community organizer," straddles the narrow divide between collectivists of the corporate variety and those of the cultural Marxist persuasion.
Obama's vote for the plutocrat bailout demonstrated his fealty to the Wall Street interests that funded his campaign. His cabinet selections indicate a continued commitment to bipartisan bellicosity in foreign affairs, and to continued subsidy of corporate kleptocrats until the government's bankruptcy is consummated, the dollar collapses, and our country goes the way of Zimbabwe.
The chickens have come home to roost, mind you 145 years later, no matter it’s HERE AND NOW! - inactive, on 12/12/2008, -24/+44Now, it's time to lock and load.
- InvisibleInk, on 12/12/2008, -3/+23I doubt this article is factual. No need to get all lathered up. 10 states already enacted recissions.
Alabama and Florida in 1988
Louisiana in 1990
Idaho and Oregon in 1999
North Dakota and Utah in 2001
Arizona in 2003
Georgia and Virginia in 2004
So that would mean, if Ohio votes, we'd still be 11 states away.
We can all relax now. - dddienst, on 12/12/2008, -8/+28The one thing missing from the constitution is a method for the American people to correct the government when they don't follow it. The ability to repeal laws and overturn bad judge decisions. Other then waiting for elections to change the offices which then never fix the bad laws.
But I dont trust the current representitves to represent our interests and liberties at a con con. - capitaino, on 12/12/2008, -10/+30People are like blades of grass; rulers like the wind.
- Tbyrd073, on 12/12/2008, -7/+26If I am an irrational idiot for supporting the Constitution than I am glad to be named as such.
- inactive, on 12/12/2008, -7/+26alanhlake - as much as I admire your positive attitude - I can't help but cringe at the thought of a Con Con rate now considering the majority in Senate and the current sitting President as corrupt beyond redemption. In addition to the NEW incoming President that serves the same master.
- Njon, on 12/12/2008, -3/+21Attention fellow 'bitter clingers:' make sure you're all stocked up on ammo just in case things go completely awry!
- Brumbar, on 12/12/2008, -11/+27I have been told that actually, the U.S. has not been governed under the Constitution at the National Level since WWII. The Emergency War Powers Act was instituted and superseded the requirement to govern under the Constitution. Every President since Franklin Roosevelt just signed the authorizing documents to continue enforcing the War Powers Act. The rational being that rule under the Constitution restricts the freedom of governance for the National Level. This is either a complete fabrication, or if considered in the light of the actions of the past several Administrations including their Congresses, makes terrifyingly logical sense.
- Nannybell, on 12/12/2008, -6/+22Alan, I don't think it would turn out well for us.
- inactive, on 12/12/2008, -13/+28Government can't be trusted because men can not be trusted. What we see here is the opening of the final act. History has demonstrated repeatedly that no republic can stand more than 200-300 years under it's own weight. Had we not been so involved in our efforts of dominion around the world to distract us it would have been over many years ago. Those who can't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Today our nation is just barely composed of real citizens of this nation and the culture now reflects that dissemblance of mind and character. Even our own so called leadership has forsaken the people that have propelled this nation and their fortunes to great heights at every opportunity in favor of themselves and cronyism. And even as we watch they are setting the stage for their succession to the next higher realm of power before the wheels fall off this machine behind the scenes. If the the rule of law meant anything they would be called traitors.
It's no wonder Barny Frank can be so foolishly trite in the midst of all of this, he knows that even as a fool he has a privileged position in the near term. - inactive, on 12/12/2008, -4/+18Wow your post totally flipped my noggin into a tailspin.
- Nannybell, on 12/12/2008, -6/+20I think it means "like a rube." According to dictionary.com, a rube is "an unsophisticated person from a rural area; hick." :)
- Izult, on 12/12/2008, -4/+16are there any other sources for this other than WND that anyone might be aware of? I'd REALLY like to know what' they're basing this on.
- KCLorelei39, on 12/12/2008, -5/+17Based on the actions Bush has taken while in office, it's very likely he did indeed say just that.
Jerome Corsi on C-SPAN discussing Bush's disregard for the limitations the Constitution places on the office of the President:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=816_1220182761& ... - inactive, on 12/12/2008, -12/+24Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Can America be explained any better than this today? - inactive, on 12/12/2008, -3/+15Don't forget the eradication of the Banksters and the NEOCONS too. The same side of the same FIAT coin.
- inactive, on 12/13/2008, -2/+14Slavery was actually going to come to an abrupt end even without the war... machines were replacing people and plantation owners were beginning to let their slaves go... The Civil War was more or less fought over the north's insistence of a centralized government, and the south's unwillingness to submit and lose their voice (they already had a disproportionate voice in politics). Slavery was the smoke screen for the broader agenda (I'm finally starting to believe my conspiracy theorist professor).
- CaptCarrot, on 12/12/2008, -2/+14Said one blade of grass, raising his head slightly, "What's that roaring, 2-cylinder, Briggs&Stratton-like sound I hear?"
- hugothecommie, on 12/13/2008, -6/+18This is what I have been warning about. The Civilian Army everyone is talking about. Once this is instituted they will have the power to enter your home at anytime. Our Government has become to powerful. The people of this nation no longer control the strings. All you have to do is listen to some of the supporters of Obama. These people can't even blow their noses without help. It really is scary. The socialists have finally gained power and they will never release it without a fight, literally. This nation is on a crash course of a civil war between the right and left. Just look at the blue states. They are bankrupt. California is being over run by illegals. Liberal lawyers now own our politicians. The labor unions now dictate to our Government what they want. It won't be long before taxes on the working middle class will be met with revolution.
- sheeplescareme, on 12/12/2008, -8/+19i was guessing he was going for "rubbish" but was unable to spell such a difficult word.
- eliot2000, on 12/12/2008, -31/+42The article is constructed of hysteria coated with supposition and fantasy. Every bit as realistic as the "Bush is planning an armed coup" rumors. Buried as lame.
- sheeplescareme, on 12/12/2008, -6/+17http://www.afn.org/~govern/bankruptcy.html
the federal government is a federal corporation located in the district of columbia.
TITLE 28 - judiciary and judicial procedures
PART VI - particular proceedings
CHAPTER 176 - federal debt collection procedure
subchapter a- defintitions & general provisions
Sec. 3002. Definitions
(15) ''United States'' means -
(A) a Federal corporation;
(B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or
(C) an instrumentality of the United States
uniform commercial code
§ 9-307. location of debtor
(h) [Location of United States.]
The United States is located in the District of Columbia
http://teamlaw.org/HistoryOutline.htm
we have not had a president of a republic since wilson. - uncleosbert, on 12/13/2008, -3/+14y'all, i only have two things to ask...
why doesn't the american policy institute say anything about this really urgent warning on their website? the link in the wnd article just goes to their about page, and clicking around their site i can find nothing about a "constitutional convention".
seriously, not a damn thing. i'm drafting an email at the moment to ask them if they really sent any message out.
http://www.americanpolicy.org/about/main.htm
second thing... googling the phrase quoted in the really urgent warning only gets me crazy people repeating the wnd article.
but don't mind me... please, continue to freak yourselves out. - KCLorelei39, on 12/12/2008, -16/+27May God have mercy on this nation, and on the fools who continue to rush like lemmings toward their own destruction.
The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer;
The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour; thou savest me from violence.
I will call on the LORD, who is worthy to be praised: so shall I be saved from mine enemies.
(2 Sam 22:2-4) - WmWallace, on 12/12/2008, -14/+25Hey, moron! Have you ever looked at the history of the 20th century??? I know that history must be re-written as to not stand in the way of the socialist dream for social and economic justice.
Left wing ***** like you refuse to look at the millions of dead as the result of Marxist/communist/socialist policies.
I will never grasp why freedom bothers so many and must be crushed at all costs. - inactive, on 12/12/2008, -5/+16Alanlake, I hope you are in the Satire mode. America is not now nor has it been governed by our Constitution for some time now. Our present President has been said to call it "just a g-- d--- piece of paper". We know that our Judicial system has been badly corrupted, those calling themselves conservative are only RINO's, the Liberal Socialist have just outvoted the rest of us in favor of a Marxist Change Maestro. Given the on board Liberty destruction cadre, the only thing that can come out of a Con Con is the Abortion of our beloved Constitution.
It is extremely unlikely that what ever replaces our Constitution will be anything even remotely acceptable to freedom loving individuals. - LAtoLA, on 12/13/2008, -14/+24Why all the fear? It must be coming from either a toxic environment or a toxic mind. Please, get help. The world and most people in it are much nicer than all you crazies believe. I feel sorry that y'all aren't enjoying it more.
God Bless and Peace. - inactive, on 12/12/2008, -9/+19When you study our country and learn of all the sacrifice and all blood shed to defend the constitution, you can't help but be enraged by all the theft and destruction done by our corrupt gov. to our country. This is not what our forefathers intended. As of now the city I grew up in is now almost 100% illegal immigrants. Many of the flyers that come in the mail now are in spanish only. I feel as if I went to sleep in America and woke up in a third world country! This is exactly the type of subjects the gov. wants. The immigrants are easy to fool and do whatever the gov. wants when promised such things as free social services and citizenship. These people don't care or understand what our country is or stands for. They only care about what's in it for them. That is why none of the Bush's, Clintons, or Mcain or Obama care about our border and illegal alien situatioin. Our forefathers are turning in their graves!
- inactive, on 12/13/2008, -1/+11wow... couldn't help noticing how long these comments are getting, 100 diggers and 200 comments
- sheeplescareme, on 12/12/2008, -10/+20would you kindly define "rubish," please?
- inactive, on 12/12/2008, -9/+19Yes ChairmanObama, surely your devoted worshippers would prevail with a horendous new Constitution built on principles of collectivism. Freedom-loving states would separate from the Union as alanhlake described. And then surely you will follow the wisdom of Lincoln and attempt to keep the union intact through military force. Civil War, here we come.
- Argentian, on 12/13/2008, -0/+10@JenniferMo - You'd have to have a very large memory chip and a great search engine, but I've been out there bringing this stuff up for years.
The day after the 2004 election, I wrote to my two Nevada senators and asked about the SPP/NAU, and Reid and Ensign. Only Ensign repliesd and denied there was any government involvement - now he says otherwise.
So, we HAVE been screaming and yeling about htis, don't make it into a completely partisan fight, like you (and others) usually do. If you go that route everyone will be throwing bombs at each other instead of protecting each other.
I don't care if it's a Republican or a Democrat in office - none of this looks good for the freedoms of the people. - inactive, on 12/12/2008, -19/+29"Bullseye" USNavyBlue! I'm with ya 110%.
As, for "eliot2000", the poor mind-numbed-robot is obviously the product of the current educational system.
As a retired U.S.Marine, with a lifetime of "Upholding and Defending "The CONSTITUTION", I can assure you all that there are plenty of us Vets that will not stand idolly by and watch the Leftists trash our Freedom.
"Live Free or Die"
"Semper Fi" - Nannybell, on 12/12/2008, -10/+19Their brains are infected with the "socialism virus."
- Tbyrd073, on 12/12/2008, -5/+14Excellent description of the current situation and climate. The United States has been heading this way for a long time you're right.
- Tbyrd073, on 12/12/2008, -5/+14Scary stuff....it really is. I am glad to say the liberal high school and college atmosphere doesn't pollute all of our minds. I think I survived with most of my wits about me.
I do have a wierd craving for Kool-aid though...... /sarcasm - inactive, on 12/12/2008, -8/+17God Bless - I am glad to know I am not alone.
'I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever." Thomas Jefferson
His words are bone chilling to the core as we are experiencing the eradication of the Constitution, Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence, Articles of Federation, our language and culture that is descending downwards into the Tower of Babel of the THIRD WORLD.
You are correct - "Live free or Die" becasue I will NOT become a slave EVER. - Nannybell, on 12/12/2008, -13/+22Good morning, Chairman Obama. Glad to see you are well today. Please give us our orders for today, as we exist only to do what you command. :)
- inactive, on 12/13/2008, -2/+11Good. Capitalism at it's best.
- inactive, on 12/13/2008, -15/+24Are there really enough morbidly stupid people to keep WND going? Kind of hard to believe.
- OldTimer1933, on 12/12/2008, -7/+16notasmartasU wrote: "Government can't be trusted because men can not be trusted."
That is EXACTLY what the Founders believed and so clarified in the Preamble to the Bill of Rights. Thomas Jefferson indicated the same thing when he was speaking of the Marbury v. Madison decision. In 1804, after the decision was rendered, he said,""The Constitution . . . meant that its coordinate branches should be checks on each other. But the opinion which gives to the judges the right to decide what laws are constitutional and what not, not only for themselves in their own sphere of action but for the Legislature and Executive also in their spheres, would make the Judiciary a despotic branch."
In 1813, after Congress failed through several sessions to rein in the Souprem Court, he said "The question whether the judges are invested with exclusive authority to decide on the constitutionality of a law has been heretofore a subject of consideration with me in the exercise of official duties. Certainly there is not a word in the Constitution which has given that power to them more than to the Executive or Legislative branches."
Jefferson regaled against this decision the remainder of his life and the following describes what future generations could expect: ""To consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions [is] a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy. Our judges are as honest as other men and not more so. They have with others the same passions for party, for power, and the privilege of their corps. Their maxim is boni judicis est ampliare jurisdictionem [good justice is broad jurisdiction], and their power the more dangerous as they are in office for life and not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the elective control. The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots. It has more wisely made all the departments co-equal and co-sovereign within themselves."
Of particular interest to ALL citizens is the observation made over 180 years ago which I repeat: "Our judges are as honest as other men and not more so. They have with others the same passions for party, for power, and the privilege of their corps."
We were told that eventually, political agenda would be the basis for decisions -- NOT the Constitution or its intent. - Nannybell, on 12/12/2008, -11/+20To adhere to it is not the same as worshiping it.
- inactive, on 12/12/2008, -1/+10And Wilson really was NOT a representative of the Republic by any means.
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