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- Dzue, on 05/20/2009, -4/+42Sounds like 'The work of the devil' if there is such a thing. I'm just mortified at what has become of us.
- maccoup, on 05/20/2009, -14/+43Where have the patriotic constitution defending soldiers gone and where did these drug suppressed NEW WORLD ORDER serving slaves come from?
- sb66, on 05/21/2009, -0/+20So according to the US government, its fine to do drugs and kill people; but if you do drugs and chill out at home listening to music or whatever, you deserve to go to jail?
- inactive, on 05/21/2009, -5/+24Read "The New American Militarism: How Americans Are Seduced by War" http://www.amazon.com/New-American-Militarism-Amer ...
Bacevich gives a history of how our citizen army was transformed into a professional army after Vietnam, against the best efforts of the top military brass of the time.
The book gave me a clear understanding that our current armed forces are an offensive rather than a defensive weapon and any ambitious man or woman who makes it to the oval office will find the temptation to use that offensive weapon undeniable.
Bacevich shows that there really is no political downside to the President for putting the offensive army to work. Bacevich counsels that we need to re-impose the draft so that SecurityMom™ is less worried about terroists blowing up the mall in Des Moines and more worried about her little Junior getting drafted to have his legs blown off in Somalia. When she fears for her son more than her general security hysteria, then our aggressive wars will come to an end. - jaymzdean, on 05/20/2009, -3/+22A goddamned shame.
- Cainxinth, on 05/21/2009, -0/+18Sounds like they're no different than the rest of our highly medicated country.
- RogerStrong, on 05/21/2009, -1/+17No, that was just Star Trek taking a page from the real world.
WWII soldiers on both sides were given large amounts of amphetamines as a way of fighting fatigue and "boosting morale". The British issued 72 MILLION tablets to the armed forces. American troops had them too - in WWII and Korea.
Japanese Kamikaze pilots and German Panzer troops were given large doses of the drug to motivate their fighting spirit. Chocolates dosed with methamphetamine were known as Fliegerschokolade ("airmen's chocolate") when given to German pilots, or Panzerschokolade ("tank chocolate") when given to tank crews. In just four months, more than 35 million tablets of Pervitin and Isophan were shipped to the German army and air force. - wjappe, on 05/21/2009, -1/+14Ever see a movie by Sean Connery "Outland"?
- Phylter, on 05/21/2009, -1/+14On reading the headline, I was reminded of the debut "Star Trek, The Next Generation" episode where they had soldiers taking drugs on demand, and I thought "What a horror, how could the military descend to that?" But then remembered I was watching science fiction...
- NorthMass, on 05/21/2009, -8/+19War is awful, I am sick of war. I don't care whether it is a D or an R starting the wars(Bush), or continuing the wars(Obama), war must end. The Iraq War is unjustified, the Afghanistan War has become unjustified, and any bombing of Pakistan is unjustified.
Bring our troops home now, from wherever they are! - Phaedryn, on 05/21/2009, -0/+10This is new how?
This has been done for decades. I know it was going on in the late 80s thru the mid 90s (the period in which I served), and I assumed it has been going on for much longer than that...most likely as far back as the properties of these substances were known. - DirtyBinLV, on 05/21/2009, -0/+9This is actually an improvement in some ways. When my father in law was in Vietnam (in a non-combat role), he spent several months at a forward base under constant threat of rocket attacks. Because of that stress, he couldn't sleep. So every night he would drink until he passed out. Sleeping pills are a preferable option.
- ShoujoKakumei, on 05/21/2009, -1/+9Of course! These are MEDICATIONS... Marijuana is a DRUG!
/sarcasm - goot776, on 05/21/2009, -3/+11i'm a soldier and I got home just fine from Iraq.
battered?
deez nutz were battered after 15 months away from my fiancee. - anstice85, on 05/21/2009, -0/+8Dextroamphetamine is the *****. But in all seriousness, handing out SSRI's like candy (and not advising soldiers of the ***** withdrawal syndrome) is terrible.
- fury420, on 05/21/2009, -1/+9not just jail, but commandos that look equipped to take on a small army kicking in the door without knocking to shoot your dog and drag you away to that jail, where there will be cavity searches
- RoryH, on 05/21/2009, -1/+9They will pump them full of prescription drugs but not let them get stoned? :-/
- goot776, on 05/21/2009, -1/+8it's "oxycontin" idiot.
- 8FoldPath, on 05/21/2009, -0/+7My brother went to Iraq to serve his country. Now lucky enough to have made it home, he freaks out at fireworks displays and he has to do things like check the perimeter of his home before he can sleep. The VA has him so heavily-medicated, what was once an energetic, ambitious young man has turned into a lethargic mental case. He will never be the same again.
- billraydrums, on 05/21/2009, -0/+5Thank you for your service.
- ShoujoKakumei, on 05/21/2009, -1/+6Congratulations on your safe return.
But I'm sure you know that not everyone's been as lucky as you, right? - Hetman, on 05/21/2009, -0/+5No wonder wonder North Korea had to rely on China in the korean war. Marijuana does not seem like a good thing to be giving soldiers in that situation. They should have went with some type of methemphatimine.
- xenuxenuts, on 05/21/2009, -0/+5chilling out doesn't make anyone at the top any money.
- jitterbits, on 05/21/2009, -1/+6oxycotton: the fiber used to apply acne medication to one's zits
- pathouston22, on 05/21/2009, -1/+6"the Afghanistan War has become unjustified, and any bombing of Pakistan is unjustified."
Yeah! Lets leave the area bombed and destroyed without rebuilding, with the nice folks promising not to hurt us! We've never done that before, so everything should be ok! - Phylter, on 05/21/2009, -0/+4Fascinating!
- inactive, on 05/21/2009, -0/+4the appeal is there, but then it becomes the draft-dodgers (aka the rich) vs the poor people
- BoneheadFarker, on 05/21/2009, -1/+5And you suck!
www.*****.fu - inactive, on 05/21/2009, -1/+5With public schools that don't give kids a practical education, a poor job market, increasing tuition costs, a narrowing gap between the average cost of living and the average salary, and intensive taxation at all levels (income, sales, property, etc.) I would hardly label our military as all volunteer.
More like a last-resort military force. - inactive, on 05/21/2009, -3/+7I'm sick of the anti-public-school rhetoric. The knowledge is there if you want to make use of it. Too many people drift through school not making a damn thing of themselves and then whine and bitch that it's the school's fault. I'm not saying the system couldn't use an overhaul, but the problem with public schools has nothing to do with the content being taught - it's more students' engagement with the material, which ultimately must at least partially fall on them.
- JCEEZ, on 05/21/2009, -0/+4That's funny, cus that's exactly what their side is saying..."you don't kill innocent Iraqis, Afghani's Pakastani's and get away with it."
- FortyCaliber, on 05/21/2009, -0/+4I think we should issue a draft. And the people who want it most should be the libby-demos who cry foul of Iraq.
See, right now they can just whine about sending professional, volunteer troops over there; They signed a contract, so they can't complain.
But, if there was a draft, then the public could make a REAL mess of the politicians. A true draft would be have been the one thing that motivated a united stand against the USGov decisions and policies.
This is most likely the reason they never went through with it, it would have had a much heavier impact on public policy. - xenuxenuts, on 05/21/2009, -0/+4If you drafted 1/2 of the soldiers from the people who have 1/2 of wealth, you'd see an end to US involvement in any wars.
- biogears, on 05/21/2009, -1/+5War is hell, ignoring evil is heller.
- ghostofpanty, on 05/21/2009, -2/+5dat poon was battered too
- angusm, on 05/21/2009, -0/+3The US military is far from the first army to go to war stuffed with whatever drugs were available. The German army in WWII made heavy use of a methamphetamine called Pervitin. Other armies throughout history have gone into battle hopped up on whatever their commanders thought would make them fiercer or more effective.
That's without even getting into non-sanctioned recreational drug use. - jitterbits, on 05/21/2009, -4/+7Then where does that leave us? Do we just keep killing and killing and killing, occupying more land, practically ensuring the increase of terrorist acts against us, all in the name of revenge?
It never stops. The stakes just get higher. - RogerStrong, on 05/21/2009, -0/+3Well, Roddenberry was a bomber pilot in WWII, so he probably experienced it.
USAF pilots *still* routinely take amphetamines to stay alert. The US pilots who bombed the Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan claimed that they were ordered to, or they'd lose their flight status. They blamed the friendly fire on aggressiveness caused by the amphetamines. - JROXZ, on 05/21/2009, -0/+3SOMA
-Brave New World, Aldous Huxley - Billistic, on 05/21/2009, -1/+3it's also funny that the government wants to put all your medical records on computers to help bring the cost of healthcare down but they haven't stopped talking to the health insurance companies.
So basically it's lose lose and people are lapping it up like it's the *****. - FortyCaliber, on 05/21/2009, -0/+2The downside of Meth is too severe.
Really, though, no medication of any kind that impairs judgement or the ability to operate machinery should be combined with machinery and decision making (and firearms.) - JakeW, on 05/21/2009, -0/+2I think you missed the point, but good deduction.
:D - sodade, on 05/21/2009, -0/+2The curriculum in public schools is a ***** joke.
- jitterbits, on 05/21/2009, -1/+3Yeah, we aren't all the same, you know.
If you view all americans as vile war-mongers, you are as bad as you purport us to be. - joshthegreat200, on 05/21/2009, -2/+4If the Army hooked me up with a daily oxycotton dose.... hell.. Id sign up.
- inactive, on 05/26/2009, -0/+2You could say the same thing about American public school students.
How many of them are medicated with anti-depressants and drugs to modify their behavior? - rmxz, on 05/21/2009, -1/+3Reminds me of the "go pills" the pilots were on when the US bombed the Canadians in Afghanistan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarnak_Farm_incident "In testimony it was revealed that Schmidt and Umbach were told by their superiors to use "go pills" on their missions, and blamed the incident on the drugs. This was a significant part of the defense of the two pilots. Schmidt's defense also blamed the fog of war. ... the Air Force also issues "no-go pills"; prescription sedatives used after the mission to calm down." - pwnshaman, on 05/21/2009, -0/+1this is whats called a covert godwin
- aadyss, on 05/21/2009, -1/+2It was the liberal side in the 1960's and '70's who spearheaded the push for an all volunteer military. Are the liberals now saying they want the draft back? They are a totally confusing group of metro sexuals. What is it that you now want? I'll bet it's no military. Just think of the social entitlements you could create without a military budget.
- fishlore, on 05/21/2009, -3/+4Nice biased reporting. The percentages in the military are actually lower than the general population.
10% of the general American public take anti-depressants.
25% of the general American public take sleep aids.
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35% of the general American public are "medicated"
A little bit lower than the 12% and 15% cited in the Men's Health study.
Same exact bias as a few months ago going on about military suicides despite the fact that the military rate is lower than the general population. -
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