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U.S. doles out millions for street cameras

boston.com — DHS will not say how much of its taxpayer-funded grants have gone to cameras. But a search of local newspapers and congressional press releases shows that a large number of new surveillance systems, costing at least tens and probably hundreds of millions of dollars, are being simultaneously installed around the country as part of homeland security.

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  • montiff, on 10/10/2007, -1/+90the Department of Homeland Security is starting to look like the Ministry of Information more and more these days...

    And can someone tell me why we even need the DHS ?
  • obliviousfool, on 10/10/2007, -0/+79Those spots in the UK "attacked" by those muslim doctors this year were some of the most heavily surveilled spots on earth. If someone is intent on blowing himself up to kill others, cameras are not going to do jack ***** except give you pretty pictures after the fact.
  • airwalkery2k, on 10/10/2007, -0/+71It's all a part of their mission to wave the flag of America while simultaneously destroying all that flag stands for.
  • Fascist, on 10/10/2007, -1/+61If one pops up in my neighborhood, I'm taking out my BB gun and shooting it down.
  • MasterThief117, on 10/10/2007, -2/+43False security.
  • rnwen2750, on 10/10/2007, -2/+34And then you will be arrested and jailed and charged with terrorism.
  • joel2600, on 10/10/2007, -0/+26don't worry, we can just bitch about it on the internet while the government gets more gestappolike by the minute.

    i think we're arguing about politics on line so much that there's too much of a clue going around in the general population, so they're just dumping this ***** on us all at once. seriously, i feel like nobody paid attention in history class.
  • RyeBrye, on 10/10/2007, -3/+28I would rather be shot in a dark alley with no witnesses and die a painful death, than walk unharmed down a public sidewalk while the government watches me.
  • billgateslacky, on 10/10/2007, -3/+24Looking into the US from Canada.... Has your country gone crazy?
  • paintist, on 10/10/2007, -2/+22Because ve must protekt ze homeland!
  • Albionshores, on 10/10/2007, -3/+23Both the US and the UK are travelling down the same path. The US is further down on some issues, the UK on others. This was always going to happen, and if you want to know how it will end up check out the UK's CCTV network - the world's finest. They are also leading the way on DNA collection, ID and a national database.

    Likewise, for anyone living in Platform One look to the US; expect a lot more privatisation, the end of the NHS and a much more heavy handed police, more victimless crime and prosecution with the judiciary becoming part of the executive.
  • RyeBrye, on 10/10/2007, -3/+22When the technology is available, can I pay money to have the government monitor my thoughts too!?
  • iffypop, on 10/10/2007, -0/+16Ok, in the UK we have cameras on every corner.
    We also watch a lot of TV

    net result:

    cop tv shows x 1000
  • joel2600, on 10/10/2007, -1/+16so when the government does it, it's ok. but when i want to take my own pictures in public places, i'm not allowed (the new york issue recently, government buildings, bridges, etc.) or considered a terrorist. have you considered what this culture is evolving into.
  • T4z3R, on 10/10/2007, -2/+16One nation, under surveillance.
  • thefirstenemy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14I actually don't see how this is going to help. All it's going to do is waste resources. They're pretty much just dumping more hay in the stack while trying to find the needle.

    Don't forget, we had all the information we needed to stop 9/11. We just never did anything with it.
  • fuzzmeister, on 10/10/2007, -2/+14Forgetting the whole creepiness/Big Brother thing, cameras quite often to jack ***** to stop a terrorist plot. If someone is about to go blow themselves up, do you think they really care if their face is caught on a camera? In fact, they might like the notoriety. Even if you have people watching the cameras, they would be very unlikely to catch it, mainly because the terrorist would just look like another guy with a backpack on. The best way to stop a terrorist plot is to catch it in the planning stages, it just gets harder from there.
  • cactus476, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13Exactly, when push comes to shove, it's still gonna happen.
  • mrASSMAN, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12You're a little late.. we went crazy quite a few years back.
  • Frnnkdlxx, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13Here it comes! BRACE FOR TYRANNNYYYYY! lol. No, i'm pretty upset in reality. We all know that this won't make us any more secure and after a terrorist blows himself up, what good will it have been to record him? really. Who is this for? Us, or the criminals?

    We know the answer. I'm just upset that all the campaigning we've done to alert the people to false flag terrorism has gone unheeded.*sigh*
  • davebg8r, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11These things have popped up where I live on all the major intersections and who knows what else. I never got to vote on them and I never authorized funds to pay for them. This things are gonna be expensive in the long run, not to mention the whole idea is repulsive. These things need to be removed.
  • subcomandante, on 10/10/2007, -3/+13DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER!
    DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER!
    DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER!
  • pgarin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9But... you get to know just who blew you up... thus offering a reason to retaliate, which in turn will cause.... oops...never-mind.
  • RyeBrye, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11Gives evil bastards one place to send a resume instead of lots of places...
  • bitcloud, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9prosthetic makeup + baseball bat..

    don't let these things go up...
  • drjekelmrhyde, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1050k each for the ones here in Chicago
  • mdoerr, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9I read this news story as I'm reading 1984. Department of Homeland Security...jesus christ, do they run a Division of Thought Police also? Excellent expenditure Cherthoff, thanks for blowing about a month of work worth of tax dollars on this *****.
  • mrASSMAN, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Thermite.
  • jmarinara, on 10/10/2007, -5/+13So when do the first exercises in front of the screens begin? I just want to know when to set my alarm clock for tomorrow.

    (Let's see how many people get that comment :-)
  • 3tcp, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9If terrorists and rapists were going to rape people or do terrorist stuff in these places the presence of a camera wouldn't stop them.
  • bitcloud, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7still... he is the only american who seems to be doing ANYTHING about it...
  • bitcloud, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9why because he's willing to die for the freedom you seem to take for granted?
  • CannedMango, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Q: What does the Department of Homeland Security do for us?
    A: They protect us from terrorists.

    Q: How?
    A: < runs >
  • fuzzmeister, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Well, wasn't that intelligent of you.
  • LeanMeat, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7What are we f*cking England (for those of you who aren't familiar, England has more counter-survelliance cameras than any other nation)?! Look I understand our need for protection against terrorism and anything of that nature, but common...aren't we taking this a little bit too far?
  • inactive, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9Ok I will because I actually care about humanity.

    Obviously you don't
  • MIForRonPaul, on 10/10/2007, -10/+16Vote for Ron Paul, conservative defender of our Constitution, #1 presidential candidate on the web, and defender of OUR liberties. Wake up America. We're going to lose our Constitution if we don't put politicians into office that uphold their oath to defend it. Ron Paul will eliminate the wasteful and prying Homeland (Nazi Germany called it the 'Homeland' too) Security Dept. Hey, if they were serious about protecting our homeland, why haven't they sealed the U.S. border with Mexico? I'll tell you why. Can you say, "North American Union" coming to a neighborhood near you soon? Google it folks. You'll see why George Bush, John McCain, and Ted Kennedy tried to give 20 Million + illegals a free ride on US the American taxpayers. Google Ron Paul and watch his YOUTUBE channel. Down with the HomeLand Security Department, UP with restoring our Constitutional protection and liberties. Ben Franklin said it best. Those who give up liberty for security deserve neither.
  • meepus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6The true American patriots out there are the citizens of this country that are doing their civic duty by stopping surveillance cameras and fighting their legitimacy in court, as the use of them for policing is completely unconstitutional. You have a right to question your accuser, and a camera is not a human being and therefore any evidence provided by a camera is hearsay, subject to tampering, and a horrible threat to the freedoms and liberties our forefathers intended for us to hold. Furthermore, private and state properties are not for the federal government to surveillance for any reason (national security only requires that government installations of significant importance warrant cameras), and no governmental institution may collect evidence against a person for a crime without a warrant. George W. Bush's tyrannies are comparable to those of King George that were expressed in the grievances of the American Declaration of Independence, authored by Former President and Constitution Signer Thomas Jefferson. The crimes against the lives and liberty of American citizens committed by the Bush administration and its policies must be stood up to with as much thirst for just and fair government as was displayed by Jefferson and the Founding Fathers, or we will sink into a hell on Earth sickly masqueraded as a haven for freedom and liberty.

    Please, stand against the abomination that has taken hold of our country's government, or there may soon be no turning back.
  • brandoj, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6The way the Brits get rid of their traffic cameras seems to wrap a used tire around it and light it on fire.
  • puddininmyeye, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5even with the cameras you'd still be shot and killed in a dark ally.
  • FredoBerfil, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6I'm not surprised by this trend. Britain had a few thousand of them 10 years ago, now they have millions.

    We're in a security state now... no, make that a police state (what else would you call it?). Get used to it. The world you lived in as a kid is no longer. Privacy and freedom are "quaint" concepts now.
  • thedarkrabbit, on 10/10/2007, -2/+72008 = 1984-esque living.
  • cboeman, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6"those who would exchange liberty for security deserve neither"
    benjamin franklin

    but you're not american anyway, so what the f##k you care?
  • erhead, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Here's the real problem:
    "...it will be far easier for individuals to attract police suspicion -*simply for acting differently*- and far easier for police to track that person's movement closely, including retracing their steps backwards in time."

    It's not that we don't like to be "looked at" in public. It's that government officials will use this newfound power to overlord citizens. Think of how many cities (large and small) have issues with racist police. Police officers have power and authority over people, police officers are human, therefore some are falliable and act like asses. To you and me, this means that police officers sometimes stop people for no reason, harass people who attempt to assert their constitutional rights, etc. If you don't believe me, go to Youtube and search for "police brutality".

    The base issue is that it gives more power to people who have traditionally shown that they do not need it, do not deserve it, and will likely abuse it. Again, the key here is that law abiding citizens will be watched and hassled "simply for acting differently".
  • bitcloud, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6if it's fascism you call it fascism

    if it's orwellian you call it orwellian...
  • JimXugle, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6exactly!

    ... you need at least a 12-gauge :D
  • inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5This is where "Create a Burning Laser Using a DVD Burner" Meets "U.S. doles out millions for street cameras".
  • fuzzmeister, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Uh, yes, I did read 1984, and there is a very obvious connection: a society constantly under surveillance.
  • bitcloud, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5better that than have you committing any thought crimes
  • djmadness, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Dont break them, Hack them.
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