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- inactive, on 10/27/2007, -61/+93Its very simple:
1) Invade Arab homeland, use the excuse that God promised you this land.
2) Occupy the land and kill all Arabs that move. However, get USA to supply you with weapons.
3) Kill everything.
4) When attacked in retaliation, hold the wound and run around the schoolyard telling everyone how you were attacked by "savages". Rinse and repeat until world fails to recognize your "defense" as terrorism and yes GENOCIDE.
Thank you, Zionists :) - Ystig, on 10/12/2007, -6/+36@jblade: "Actually, The Arabs lost the land in World War I when they decided to support Germany."
Interestingly, you seem to have things exactly backwards. The Arabs *won* the Levant in WWI by opposing the Turks, who had sided with the German Empire. - slugicide, on 10/12/2007, -10/+36From the Reuters article, "The measure, backed by Arab, Islamic and nonaligned nations and formally proposed by Qatar, would have called on the Palestinian Authority to "take immediate and sustained action to bring an end to violence, including the firing of rockets on Israeli territory."
- ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -17/+41Worse, Lebanon was invaded as a defense against Gaza. But Lebanon wasn't even in the ***** war! Add a dash of salt and, ta-da, Hizbollah.
The problem is, occupying powers never see it in terms of history. They see it in terms of, "There was an uprising, we put it down using any means at our disposal, they should just get over it."
Ubuntu. - johndi, on 10/12/2007, -8/+34Israel and Lebanon have been at war since 1948 with Lebanon refusing to sign a peace treaty. So Israel did not invade, they resumed hostilities. Lebanon was allowing Arafat to use their country as a staging base for the PLO. That was in direct violation of the 1949 Armistice Accords (cease fire agreement). This was after Jordan, which by the way is 55% Palestinian, kicked Arafat out for causing too much trouble.
Take a look at the whole picture there is plenty of blame to go around.
The U.S. has it on record that they will veto any resolution that does not condemn both sides equally. The countries submitting these resolutions use that to their advantage to look good without having to actually do anything.
A big part of this mess is due to how France changed Lebanon's borders to their own advantage without concern for culture or influence. It's also why Syria is always meddling in Lebanon. France took a historically Syrian area and gave it to Lebanon. Syria still wants that area back, and many of the people still want to rejoin Syria. The French and British really screwed over the Middle East by paying no attention and just carving up random boundaries that may have been best for Europe, but are ***** for the locals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Lebanon#League_of_Nations - DracoFlameus, on 10/12/2007, -24/+47Oh yeah, genocide is *truly* supported by those "socialist" bastards! Because, as we all know, socialism (in every form) supports genocide!
*sigh*
In opposite to the US of course, which does everything to protect Isreal, even if that means that the Palestinians have to die. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+30I think Americans just back whoever it is their government is currently backing. They always side with Israel (it's their secondary army we all know) and therefore Americans just think "we're not bad people, we must be doing the right thing." but quite obviously, they're the ones doing the racial cleansing over there.
Israel was a gift to displaced Jews, but where do the displaced palestinians go? But it doesn't matter, because they don't have money, they have horses and farms. Easy pickins. - jblade, on 10/12/2007, -10/+33"Actually yes. The UN has condemned the rocket attacks too, but no one knows about it since the US vetoes everything."
"condemned" is the key word here. Actually if look through the articles of the Security Council, no they have no enacted anything, they have just used words. - Daiken, on 10/12/2007, -27/+47Actually yes. The UN has condemned the rocket attacks too, but no one knows about it since the US vetoes everything.
- stonebear, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20Did you forget Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Turkey, mrASSMAN?
- brickbat, on 10/12/2007, -13/+28I am so ***** sick of this antisemitism *****. As soon as someone doesn't agree with Israel killing tens of thousands of Palestinians, they are called antisemites. What about Noam Chomsky? Oh yeah, thats right - He's a self-hater.
Here's an alternative view. Chomsky loves his heritage and is pissed as hell that the Israeli government is making all Jews look like fascist thugs when they are not.
Non-Jews complaining about this don't hate Jews or Israel. They hate the fact that Israel thinks they can get away with killing and brutalizing a whole nation. - scottylist, on 10/12/2007, -7/+21"Why does the USA get involved in countries like this? No one has been able to give me an answer I could understand."
One word: AIPAC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIPAC - fohat, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18As far as I can tell, they didn't apologize, but rather called it a "technical failure". http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6131860.stm
I don't see how this is propaganda. - BeefBaron, on 10/12/2007, -23/+36@internetworld7
Compared to Israel who had their revenge by CLUSTER BOMBING Palestinian civilians.
Wow, your argument is flawless, using biblical texts as defense! -_- - inactive, on 11/07/2007, -9/+22The US needs a foothold in the middle east from witch to bitchslap Arab states into following orders from Washington. It is only about oil and world power. Nothing else.
- scottylist, on 10/27/2007, -13/+26The US kisses Israel's ass thanks to AIPAC, is that news? Nope, it's just politics as usual.
- scottylist, on 10/12/2007, -9/+22Yeah we can, invade a country under false pretenses.
- sparks2, on 10/12/2007, -11/+22I personally don't like the way the title was set up simply because it tries to bring front a point (that I may or may not disagree with...)
The whole website is very one sided and a lot of people will not want to read the news because of this "bias" so I decided to link to what I consider a less "bias" source (once again, i'm not saying I necessarly agree nor disagree with the message the site is trying to protray but I disagree with the way it is protrayed)
BBC Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6139968.stm
CNN Link:http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/11/11/un.israel/index.html
Fox Link: Wait... you really expected me to put one after what I said? - evilbob333, on 11/07/2007, -7/+18Since when does a government need a resolution to tell it to not allow its citizens to wage war on another country? Seriously, they have people firing rockets from Palestinian "controlled" areas. Does the Palestinian Authority not recognized that if they don't do something, Israel will?
- ajaypopat, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16It's actually a lot simpler than that.
Stop being an occupying power and the rockets will stop.
Do you want me to review that? - jimmat, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16We couldn't do much more to help recruit terrorists.
- aristotle1990, on 10/12/2007, -16/+24Let me address a few things:
Israel does not, unlike Palestinian terrorists, target civilians. They are defending themselves against Palestinian militants who fire rockets into crowded Israeli cities. I agree that they might be doing it a bit disproportionally, but really, it's extremely difficult to root out terrorists and maintain respect for human life, which Israel does. This rocket attack on civilians, in case you haven't read unbiased sources, was an accident. Extremely regrettable, yes, but it's amazing that there haven't been more of them. Trust me, Israel does not wantonly murder civilians, or do it at all. They're very careful with these things.
Palestinian suicide bombings are not a legitimate response to the admittedly prolonged occupation of the West Bank. You don't blow yourself up like a coward in the middle of an Israeli supermarket, killing and maiming other civilians, because you're trying to "free your people." It's really astonishing that you people have sympathy for terrorists. The only reason Israel has to hold on to these territories is because if they were to let them go, they'd immediately be under siege by suicide bombings and rocket attacks.
Israel is a democracy. It values human life. Palestinian militants and terrorists play the terror card and somehow gain Western sympathy, even though they're more concerned with completely destroying Israel. Even before Israel occupied the West Bank, even before Israel existed, you had terror attacks on Israeli citizens, such as the 1929 massacre of 67 Jews in Hebron.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre
If the Palestinians were to stop firing rockets at Israel right this instance, and Israel began to realize that they truly wanted peace, you'd have the withdrawal from the West Bank and peace in the Middle East. If Israel were to completely demilitarize, you'd have an invasion by every other Arab country (as has happened so many times in the past) and another Holocaust. - fohat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I understand what you mean, and in reality I doubt Isreal would really care if this resolution was passed; I just think it looks kinda bad that we keep vetoing these things. If it was my friend that messed up and killed people and didn't really accept any responsibility for it, I think I'd be one of the first to tell them they screwed up.
Just sayin... - dracostimpy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12Assman, you have been undoubtedly been raised from birth to equate being Jewish with supporting Israel. Aside from the occasional racist in here, you can see clearly from the comments that the grievance most people have is with the governments of the US and Israel, not the Jews. Israel is your motherland according to your beliefs, and you have every right to buy a home there, perhaps next door to an Arab neighbor since it's his motherland too. You do not, however, have the right to steal that property as Israel is doing with its ever-expanding borders and as the US is doing with Iraq's natural resources.
Religion is often hijacked by leaders as a tool to divide people and create conflict, wherein they may profit and seize power from the ensuing chaos. Perhaps the very reason you have chosen to consider atheism is because your conscience is telling you that your religion has been tarnished by scoundrels who would have you believe that to be a faithful Jew, you must without question support the government of Israel. Be a good Jew by following the sacred teachings of the Torah, but please point out for me where the verse appears that says you must support a regime that routinely murders innocent people.
If it isn't in there, then it isn't God's will, is it? The spirit of the Torah or Bible or Koran is pretty much the same: "love thy neighbor" (aka "do unto others..."). A rule like that is understood instinctively to be true by even the most devout atheist as well, because we all know right from wrong without having to attend sunday school to learn it. God (or perhaps Darwin) gave us all that wisdom the moment we were conceived.
Our unwavering allegiance to God for giving us this innate wisdom is stronger than any man could ever aspire to merit from us, but many an evil man has recognized the power attainable with such loyalty. This is why church and state must NEVER be allowed to blend, but that is precisely what has happened in the US, Israel, and several Arab nations. And that is precisely why we shall all reap the whirlwind unless the people of each nation demand that their leaders stop melding God and country. Love God and country, but always defy country when it defies God. - DEEMTEE, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Actually Lebanon was invaded because Hezbollah went into Israel and captured 2 soldiers while killing others... Get your facts straight.
- Gtitian, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Osama and Bush do have a few things in common, the most important of which is their vast wealth. The history of the world will tell you one thing over and over again. Rich people will always convince the poor people around them to go and fight the poor people around other rich people. Ultimately all the rich people profit, and the poor people lose.
- KriLL3.2™, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9What gave the jews any right to that land in the first place? And Palestinians are hardly savages.
- Gtitian, on 10/27/2007, -8/+14It's a super touchy subject. One doesn't want to sound like a ***** nazi. And many of you do.
I think if you try to empathize on this one a little bit, instead of rationalizing, you'll find that the situation is very, very sad on both fronts, for all parties. - millixaw, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@internetworld7:
So the old testament says that God gave Israel to the Jews. A book written by the Jews said that God gave them the land, and you use this as evidence. Yeah that makes sense. No bias there. - DEEMTEE, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7@para
Where do the Palestinians go? How about Jordan which is mostly Palestinian and was actually past of the Balfour Declaration? How about any of the other 22 Arabs countries that refuse to take in their brothers? These totalitarian powers keep the Palestinians down to keep up the fight against JEWS.. not so much Israel. - tvnl, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8I come from a country that is under the same kind of threats that Israel sees it to be under. I have nothing against or for Israel or Palestine, but the way Israel has been conducting itself in the name of security (which I agree is a major problem for a country surrounded by so many enemies), is "savage" to say the least. First there was the relentless bombing of Lebanon - (Lebanon being equally at fault for allowing terrorists to set up home and attack Israel) - but after a few days, it was sheer bullying just because not a single country in the world lifted a finger. Did someone notice that damage was done mainly to civilians? But then these are muslims, savages, let them die because they are out to destroy the WESTERN WAY OF LIFE.
Now this stupid act blamed on "technical failure". Any other country, any other place in the world, it would have been called negligence, all hell would have broken loose, the whole western world would have been up in arms against the perpetrators of the act. But no. This is Israel. Is it a general thought that Israel can't do anything wrong? And Even if they do, it's ok because they are under threat?
I don't blame America here. It is doing exactly what it has been doing for 50 years and more. No reason to expect anything rational from a guy called John Bolton!! And Japan and Britain? Hmmm one of them is a country with a "special" relationship - wonder what that means to those who get bombed. And Japan - can't quite figure out their motivation to abstain.
This is driving the Muslim world to believe that the western world is against them, that when a few innocent muslim die, it doesn't matter because there are over a billion of them infesting this planet. Savages after all they are. No one blame Israel and the US - they have the license to kill - from God.
In conclusion, The US just had to let the symbolism of condemnation go through. Instead of calling the UN resolution "politically motivated" which every resolution anyway is, this was your chance to really look like a superpower. but you blew it. Booooooo. - stonebear, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9Peace Propaganda, And The Promised Land:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT9el69vcUM - dattaway, on 10/12/2007, -11/+15Why does the USA get involved in countries like this? No one has been able to give me an answer I could understand.
- martalli, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Wow, the parent is so incoherent I'm not sure whether he means what he is saying or is trying to parody the Israelis. Everyone involved are people. The current state of Israel was not empty before 1948. Palestine was not an independent state because before falling under the sway of the British, they were part of the Ottoman State. Neither side in this conflict has persistently pursued Gandhian non-violence. Did I say anything wrong there?
- martalli, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"Gaza could be a money maker for the Palestinians,
as a Mediterranean resort. "
This is laughable. Israel knocked out their power station and allow barely enough food to come in to feed the Palestinians. By keeping up the pressure on the Palestinians, they are sowing discontent and desperation. Gaza as a tourist destination? Not in this decade... - philbloke, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Just like they accidentally killed 4 UN observers in Lebanon
Just like they killed 106 in a UN camp in Qana in 1996 and 28 in Qana this year
Just like they accidentally left 1,000,000 unexploded munitions in civilian areas in Lebanon.
Just like they accidentally bombed the USS Liberty
Just like they accidentally killed Rachel Corey
Just like they have accidentally killed 116 children so far this year
Just like they accidental displaced 810,000 people in 34 days in Lebanon (actually I am not sure they claimed this was an accident)
There are many, many more examples of accidents - Israel is an accident prone nation. - martalli, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Actually, he is correct, especially to see that different sides' perspective truly color their feelings about the conflict. Even if civilian casualties were equal, Muslims may tend to sympathize with Palestinians every time they see footage of another artillery attack with dead Palestinians, much the same as Americans tend to sympathize with Israeli civilians when they see dead Israelis from rocket attacks.
No recognize that many more Palestinian civilians are being killed, and you can see why there is a fertile soil to stoke passions among Muslims in the Middle East and elsewhere. You can digg down my sentiment, but that will not squelch the reality of it. - sailorj, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10You know, it's easy to be conned into believing what you hear from the "Arab" perspective. Take a look at http://www.factsandlogic.org/ for some historical truths that are undeniable.
There is no guilt trip here folks, people need to understand that many in the Arab world don't share "Western Values" and in fact are willing to kill innocent people because of the rewards in heaven out-weigh their life on earth.
FACT: Jews and Arabs live together in Pre-1947 Israel, and it was NOT a country called Palestine. The land that is called "The Occupied Territory" is Occupied areas of Jordan, Syria, and Egypt. Those people who live in those areas are actually from those countries, and those countries don't want to acknowledge their own citizens, because they won't let them back in.
FACT: Americans aren't rushing to give land back to the American Indians or Mexicans, or pay restitution to the ancestors of slaves in America.
Read your history and understand the reality of the situation. How many Suicide Bombers result in UN Sanctions? - Crowforge, on 11/07/2007, -5/+8Can you say biased?
No digg. - martalli, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4At what ratio of Palestinian civilian deaths:Israeli civilian deaths could we begin to express concern over the treatment of Palestinians?
Since Palestinians do not control their own borders, have no military, etc., they are essentially citizens of Israel, despite their lack of rights. They should be treated as people, in so much as the Israelis expect to be treated as people. - Moonpig, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Denouncing people as anti-semites is a handy way to deflect criticism. Using liberal guilt over the horror of the Holocaust to silence dissent is a cheap trick which dishonours the memory of those who died during WW2.
- scottylist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Don't confuse anti-Israeli Occupation for anti-Judaism. Apples and oranges...
- Moonpig, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Oh, poor me, Israel can do no wrong, everyone's an anti-semite if they don't agree with me.
- brickbat, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12You would be right except for 1 little detail. The Israelis have the latest war technology and basically unlimited quantities and they are fighting kids with rocks and home made weapons. Check out the numbers of dead on both sides and then give me that "they're both bad *****".
Also, only 1 of the parties is occupying the other. - mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -17/+20Maybe because it's the only middle-eastern nation that supports America..
- skyzp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4antisemitism isn't rampant on digg, but blind stupidity is. most of these people base their political opinions from reading moveon.org bumper stickers.
- ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -8/+11"Israel and Lebanon have been at war since 1948 with Lebanon refusing to sign a peace treaty. So Israel did not invade, they resumed hostilities."
Israel wasn't in Lebanon. Then they were. That would be an invasion. If North Korea entered South Korea, it wouldn't be an invasion because they've technically been at war for 50 years?
Anyway, Israel took over Southern Lebanon after fighting a force of Palestinian soldiers stationed there. Then they left soldiers there indefinitely. Hizbollah was created to fight the occupation by Israel.
Likewise, the United States is occupying Iraq after defeating Saddam Hussein. Iraqi insurgents are fighting the United States because they were invaded. - DEEMTEE, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8CNN.com text regarding the US VETO.
Maybe this will shed light on the why the VETO occurred...
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Qatar proposed the motion, which focused on Wednesday's shelling in Beit Hanoun. (Watch mourners carry bodies of victims through the streets -- 1:49)
The blocked resolution also condemned Palestinians who fire missiles from Gaza into Israel.
The United States cast the only vote against. Four council members abstained and 10 voted for the resolution.
Before the vote, Bolton said the United States joined the other countries in "deeply regretting" the injuries and loss of life in Wednesday's shelling, but said Israel has promised a full investigation.
Bolton said the resolution's text was "unbalanced."
"We are disturbed at the language of the resolution that is in many places biased against Israel and politically motivated," Bolton said.
Bolton said the text was wrong in equating what he called Israel's legal defense operations in Gaza with Palestinian acts of terrorism against civilians in Israel.
"We are disturbed that there is not a single reference to terrorism in the proposed resolution," he said. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9actually @brickbat, Hezbollah are pretty well funded and have some modern technology of their own. However, instead of buying anti-aircraft missiles to protect Lebanon, they chose to buy ball-bearing filled anti-personnel rockets and fire them in to Israel.
Both sides are full of dirty ***** and innocent civilians. - martalli, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4the article is about gaza, not hizbollah
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