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- mishaco, on 10/10/2007, -5/+54isn't this a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
it would seem that the oversight role of congress wasn't considered in the least .
Sec. 1385. - Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus
"Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both".
add this to the pile of high crimes and misdemeanors ? - Kewlduderules, on 10/10/2007, -8/+38Sad state of affairs.
I miss the good ole days of pirating VHS videos & video games, prank calling, dialing 900 sex numbers on my friends' phones, toilet papering and egging the neighbor's house, setting off fireworks in the middle of the street, and blowing up garbage cans with a pack of cherry bombs. Well, at least I have the memories from when I was kid.
I feel bad for the next generation. Their lives are going to be so boring now that you have Big Brother spying on you from all over the place. - Dumbledorito, on 10/10/2007, -1/+19Did anyone make sure that these planes didn't have "Google Maps" stenciled on the wings?
- spyd3rweb, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13U2 over katria area seems more like an arial survey mission, to look for damage to levees, homes, roads, infrastructure. A U2 can be used for more than 'spying.' dont throw away your tinfoil just yet though.
- fancycwabs, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12When Katrina was declared a Federal Emergency, the Posse Comitatus Act no longer applied. It's been routine to use military surveillance to examine the aftermath of national disasters, especially hurricanes, for the last 30 years or so. You'd have to bring charges against every administration since Nixon for doing the exact same thing.
- obliviousfool, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11Waco was FBI and ATF, not military.
- ericdano, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9Hmm, maybe a better explanation is that it was faster to get high detailed images faster with a plane than with a Sat?
- TheDecn, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10Give me a break, talk about blowing a story out of proportion!
While working for the Air Force I was actually part of the organization that fed photos from this U2 in real-time and posted them to web servers on our internal network. My organization was asked to help because we had ways to provide secure access outside of the gov't network, you know, for rescue workers and government officials who were non-DoD and would normally have to fight piles of red-tape to get access. In other words...the purpose of the U2 over Katrina was to take high-quality photos of the devastation and quickly get them to gov't officials and rescue workers. I know of two specific incidences where our work provided the images needed to save several human lives. In fact, we won a couple of best-practice awards and were personally thanked by the Governor of New Orleans.
Get over yourselves. - blogosphear, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9I knew Bono was up to something!
- tpodr, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8"I think we should be acquiring and accumulating all the data that is appropriate for possibly bringing criminal charges against members of this administration at a later date." - Sen Joe Biden.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20186211/site/newsweek/page/0/ - douggmc, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10Good grief ... I'm as upset / concerned as most folks on Digg with the absurd and illegal power grabs this administration is taking regarding civil liberties, etc, but take of your tin foil hats folks.
/sarcasm/ A U2 over the Katrina Zone? How sinister! /sarcasm/ - Beylan, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Agreed. I'm just as paranoid as anyone else about big brother and the current administration but this seems nothing more than the authorities trying to get a detailed picture of damages to homes and infrastructure so they could figure out where to concentrate their resources to get the most effect when rebuilding.
- darkcooger, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Aerial photography is also higher resolution. I worked for the Corps of Engineers at the time, and we were getting some really amazingly high resolution imagery of New Orleans from some private aerial photography companies.
- Professr, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8No, they're saying they can do this in the USA, not in Iraq. This will be very useful when Osama shows up for a Lakers game.
- Dumbledorito, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7What up, mah NGIA?
- bffoley, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7When I first read the title, I thought they meant they were using U2 planes to spy on U2 planes. I think its time to leave work.
- jtb4, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5He's already dead and they know it.
- baalzebub, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7i think i will paint a giant hand flipping the bird to the sky on the roof of my house...
- darkcooger, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4The NGIA aren't armed and are not authorized to use any force. They pretty much just take a lot of pictures.
- spyd3rweb, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5save it till they're out of office then bush cant use executive privilege
- bluenash, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3it's likely to be spying on some "major boring *****."
- SouthsideIrish, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3That is because we are willing to give up. What about the attorney in a mansion that told the Army troops that he knew his rights and he would shoot them if he came on his property. Oh, and they were there to take his guns.
- manicallday, on 10/10/2007, -4/+7I think that people forget that New Orleans is a major port city and home to offshore drilling operations. New Orleans under anarchy can be an opportunity for infiltration and other subversive activity. So surveillance under these circumstances is actually a good thing.
- hiphoc, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4What about the Airborne soldiers kicking in doors and taking peoples guns?
- nelsonen, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3The NGA makes _maps_ and all the high-tech equivalents. Even the National Guard needs decent maps, if nothing else, to practice with. The Forest Service and other such agencies also tend to like good maps.
- fatesdefiance, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Wow, a "Rawstory" cover of a "Salon" article. Now *there* is some compelling "journalism." I swear, I could distribute a story claiming that Bush, Cheney, and OBL go for rides together on Invisible Pink Unicorns--and Rawstory and Salon would be all over the Bush/Cheney/OBL/IPU connection. Is there anything bad about the administration that people *won't* believe? Criminy...Wizard's First Rule in action.
- darkcooger, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I remember interviewing with a recruiter from the NGIA before it took that name, but I can't remember what it was called then. Or maybe they had just changed the name. Anyway, it isn't exactly military. It is (I believe) staffed with civilian employees. The fact that they happen to have an aircraft that is also used by the military is irrelevant (NASA and NOAA have military aircraft as well). The NGIA collects boatloads of high-resolution imagery, and I'm really not sure what the complaint is since commercial satellite imagery companies do the exact same thing (and Google makes it all available to anyone who might want it).
- zebbie, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4If they dont now they soon will have...
- mirunit, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3I would of dispatched U2's to the gulf also. They would be a great asset in determining damages, locating people and evaluating the situation from a regional level.
- InsaneGeek, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2U2 planes didn't have any weapons on them, they were meant to fly high and take pictures: fly higher than any other planes so they didn't need to air to air weapons (and higher than most SAM's but one did get clipped over Russia), and they were to take off a long distance from their target so they didn't carry any bombs to have the fuel for the return trip.
http://www.espionageinfo.com/Te-Uk/U-2-Spy-Plane.html
Because of the need to fly light, the U-2 does not carry weapons. Nor can it undertake evasive maneuvers if fired upon, for it is delicate, and breaks up if subjected to strong forces. It is designed to fly high and far. - Jujubes, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Tin foil hat? This guy must have made a fortress out of the stuff. I should have invested in reynolds...
- vsaint, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I'm really worried that the U2 might see my depressing life cycle of going to work and home.
- Egoist, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Ah yes, U2 planes are up in the air to catch kids TPing houses.
Get a grip. - unclefire, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2This seems like much ado about nothing. People are freaking out because this is a U2 plane. Big deal. If somebody wanted to watch you there are tons of ways they can already do this-- people on the street/cars, helicopters, etc. etc. They're not going to surveil people with a U2 plane-- too expensive. They'll use things like CCTV, traffic cams, etc.
Heck, even google earth had pix's of NO right after Katrina hit-- for the public to see easily enough. With MS LiveEarth (I think that's the name), I can even see what cars were parked in my driveway the day they took the pictures (from 4 angles to boot).
And the guy that made the "50's technology" comment needs to wake up-- I'm sure those U2 planes have the latest imaging technology. The airframe doesn't matter-- as long as it flys it'll do.
Focus people-- worry about things that matter like oversight (FISA), new lows, wiretapping, Carnivore, etc. The later items are all high volume ways of snooping on alot of people. - jtb4, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Or that long encryption key for ripping DVDs
- breadbin, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3You just need to watch out for them shredding documents and "losing" emails like maniacs from now until 2009. Biden is right, they need to be accumulating the evidence now before it's too late.
- cs02rm0, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3Permanent record?
- Arkavus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Didn't you hear? They've changed their mind about Osama being responsible for 9/11.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/08/09/enemy.combatants/index.html - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1so when did the FBI confiscate all the guns? i don't live in america but i know alot of people who do and when i asked them a minute ago they still have a nice little selection of firearms
- bigboy101011, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2They better be put into google maps.
- RockoTDF, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Yeah, and what you don't realize is that the U2 is not the same U2 from the 60s. Same goes for all USAF aircraft (except the B52). The equipment on the U2 is VERY advanced, the new camera it uses takes images in the gigapixel range!
But I think people need to throw away their tinfoil hats. This is *****. - FredoBerfil, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4What you you mean, one of these is a lie? I'm actually fairly convinced that they just don't *want* to find Osama. BushCo needs Osama like Big Brother needs his Emmanuel Goldstein. How else can we wage endless war without a steady boogyman?
- VitriolAndAngst, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2NGIA basically sounds like an end-run around domestic spying.
Again.
They've privatized about 80% of the CIA now -- did you know that? So there aren't legal provisions about collecting data about Americans on Corporations. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1dugg down for having no sense of humour
- hittnrun, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4How do you moonbats think we get these awesome Google Earth photos? A digital camera tied to a balloon?
God you people scare me with your idiocy. - mishaco, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency is the part of the military that sent the u2 from pakistan into the soviet union . you cant say they arent military . they even have the.mil TLD extension !
- darkcooger, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2I remember talking to a recruiter for NGIA who commented that it was one of the least known intelligence agencies in the country. Obviously he was correct! :)
- iamlutheran, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3DIGG proves that there are Democrats and Republicans that foam at the mouth continuously. Do me a favour... Shut up already and go kiss your party's respective ass.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1so they know for a fact that the planes were spying? they have conclusive proof that it was spying on someone and not taking high res maps for someone like google earth? or did they just see a u2 circling over head and go "OMG TEH GOVERNMENT IS SPYING ON ME! I MUST ALERT THE NATION!!"?
***** off with your rawstory FUD crap *adds rawstory to his blocked websites list* - InsaneGeek, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Maybe because the hurricane kind of made walking an *underwater* sport? Or possibly it's kind of difficult to tell how large a forest is by simply walking up to a single tree.
But I suppose you are correct, arial views of it with an extremely high power camera wouldn't give any benefits to anybody on the ground trying to get an idea of things at all, they should have simply been walking the entire area around the hurricane and drawing out a map by hand because that would be faster than having a plane with cameras take pictures with crazy ammounts of details in it. -
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