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- inactive, on 07/02/2008, -2/+50Is this what we've become? Are we on the road to Fascism?
"Fascist America, in 10 easy steps"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/apr/24/usa.co ... - jstohler, on 07/02/2008, -2/+50Here's the punchline: torture didn't work 50 years ago, and it doesn't work now. Amazing how people consistently fail to learn the lessons of history.
- mrcoderga, on 07/02/2008, -0/+44If you torture a person he will tell you whatever you tell him to.
Torture is merely brutal ventriloquism. - Tangaroa, on 07/02/2008, -3/+46I wonder who greenlighted the use of techniques designed to obtain "false confessions" as the chart's title said. Somebody approved this, removed the original descriptions from the documents, and lobbied for the program within the Pentagon.
- qdkk, on 07/02/2008, -3/+26What happened to America? In just seven years, America is heading straight towards fascism.
- allowners, on 07/02/2008, -0/+22FTA: The only change made in the chart presented at Guantánamo was to drop its original title: "Communist Coercive Methods for Eliciting Individual Compliance."
- inactive, on 07/02/2008, -3/+20The Bush administration happened, with the full and blind support of the GOP.
- lazerus9, on 07/02/2008, -1/+16.....yes
- franklymister, on 07/02/2008, -2/+16Maybe, instead of torture, Obama would prefer to use methods that, y'know, WORK.
Don't forget, McCain himself was against torture before he was for it: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/10/6/43412/4301 - pintomp3, on 07/02/2008, -1/+15"scare people into doing pretty much anything you want them to" that's still not real information.
- inactive, on 07/02/2008, -1/+15I am soooo stealing that line, very well put!
- livegreenordie, on 07/02/2008, -0/+13I had a hard time loading this so went to the front page. I found this as a supplement-
http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/OathBetrayed/interrog ...
(note that one detainee died) - EtherGnat, on 07/02/2008, -0/+11"Wonder what these guys are going to use to get information from people that have tried to kill our soldiers and who want to kill us."
And we know those are the kinds of people that are being tortured, because they've all received fair trials and been found guilty. Oh, wait... - inactive, on 07/02/2008, -0/+10dugg, japanese were way better at it... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan_Death_March
oh yeah and this from wikipedia:
Special Japanese military units conducted experiments on civilians and POWs in China. One of the most infamous was Unit 731. Victims were subjected to vivisection without anesthesia, amputations, and were used to test biological weapons, among other experiments. Anesthesia was not used because it was considered to affect results. In some victims, animal blood was injected into their bodies.
To determine the treatment of frostbite, prisoners were taken outside in freezing weather and left with exposed arms, periodically drenched with water until frozen solid. The arm was later amputated; the doctor would repeat the process on the victim’s upper arm to the shoulder. After both arms were gone, the doctors moved on to the legs until only a head and torso remained. The victim was then used for plague and pathogens experiments.[20] - redcolumbine, on 07/02/2008, -3/+12Torture doesn't work for obtaining real information. The threat of torture can, however, scare people into doing pretty much anything you want them to, especially when threatened against one's family.
- ozymandias2012, on 07/02/2008, -8/+17More crap from China we don't need....
- Phearce, on 07/02/2008, -0/+9That thinking is remarkably similar to what the Germans were saying before the Third Reich established its stranglehold on the world.
- richnojutsu, on 07/02/2008, -1/+10Indeed. Torture works wonders!
We have such a long list of instances in which torture gave us all a much better world. I mean, do you see any witches walking around today? Thank the Lord for that! - Phearce, on 07/02/2008, -0/+9Facism does not use torture to obtain reliable information. It uses torture to make an example of the "bad people". Consider this: do you regard the treatment of the Git'mo prisoners as shocking or justified?
- rz8472, on 07/02/2008, -0/+9Forget Communist China... the US prosecuted Imperial Japanese soldiers for war crimes because they waterboarded Allied POWs.
- spongya77, on 07/02/2008, -1/+10It shows that torture done by the US was never intended to be used to "stop the terrorists". Sick, ***** up people are leading this country.
- Hetman, on 07/02/2008, -1/+9So you are one of those so called compassionate conservatives I hear so much about. WWJD?
- sodade, on 07/02/2008, -1/+9And if you have to kill 1million innocent Iraqis to accomplish jack *****?
- inactive, on 07/02/2008, -2/+10Why not, they are drawing on a much longer history of oppression.
- etoiles, on 07/02/2008, -0/+8Pretty disturbing title, I must say. Instead of highlighting the whole 'false confessions'/torture bit, they slip in a subtle blame on China.
Next up, blaming China for inventing gun powder... - aigulf, on 07/02/2008, -0/+7pintomp3, I think he was agreeing and offering the real motive for the reinstitution of torture. Not to gather information, but to eventually coerce people. If, all of the sudden, dissenters are being tortured for information on their "co-conspirators", then people will be pretty slow to voice dissent.
- publiclurker, on 07/02/2008, -1/+8Look, we already know you are filth. Do you have to keep reminding us?
- willi, on 07/02/2008, -0/+7Blame everything on others! Take some responsibility!
Where is the human right activists now? - Hetman, on 07/02/2008, -1/+8It is funny. China is becomming more like the U.S and the U.S is becomming more like china. Im sure we borrowed the patriot act and fisa from China also.
- richnojutsu, on 07/02/2008, -0/+7Before my cousin died he used to say "a day without laughter is a day wasted." If you seek to stop me and others from laughing at the absurdity of my government in favor of pulling my hair out, I will gladly wear the label of ignorance.
- Thrilltone, on 07/02/2008, -0/+7Let's see, from column A, I'll have the Waterboarding...
and from column B, German Shepard Chewing on my Nutsack.
http://nonsai.com/pics/fourlights.jpg - sodade, on 07/02/2008, -0/+6The point is that it is not just "pundits" saying this crap. We heard it from almost all of the republican candidates for office. They are speaking to a willing audience of 20whatever percenters who are quite hungry for american fascism.
- chrissku, on 07/02/2008, -0/+6I'm glad that we just pissed off a new generation of terrorist. Torture does not work.
- webyatri, on 07/02/2008, -0/+5so what else is "Made in China"
- YoWhatDaFuxUp, on 07/02/2008, -3/+8Atleast we still have the right to "Bear arms"
http://i10.tinypic.com/4zmke8h.jpg - wendelgee2, on 07/02/2008, -1/+6What?
So now this is China's fault because they're a bad influence? - monkeyrun, on 07/02/2008, -2/+7lol communist China.
Read some history books, they are no master of tortures by any means. - inactive, on 07/02/2008, -1/+6Maybe we should just outsource our torture to the Chinese, and get an information DVD and a body back.
- MWeather, on 07/02/2008, -0/+5But they burnt the Reichstag!!
- kahlessreborn, on 07/02/2008, -0/+4Wow we import everything from china
- dondara, on 07/02/2008, -0/+4Sweet jesus ...wtf. Amazing what humans are capable of. No wonder the Chinese hate them so much.
- unfairunbalance, on 07/02/2008, -2/+6 USA a false sense of a free Democratic-Republic. In reality a Socialist Corporate Fascist State being run by David Rockefellar and the CFR.
- sodade, on 07/02/2008, -0/+4We need a "best comments of Digg" compilation. This one gets my vote...
- flashback99, on 07/02/2008, -0/+4..but still carried out by the US!
- inactive, on 07/02/2008, -0/+4Yeah and my friend says your friend is full of *****.
- Hetman, on 07/02/2008, -1/+5The government is torturing people, spying on there own citizens, and ignoring the 4th amendment. What should we be happy about. There are a lot of great things about this country, unfortunatly the government is trying to take them away from us.
- MWeather, on 07/02/2008, -1/+5Murder and rape? I think that qualifies as shocking.
- pigfister, on 07/02/2008, -3/+7So, do you think that the USA supplying FREE weapons paid for by the US tax payer, to arm Israel so they can commit genocide in Palestine is just then do you?
never forget Rachel Corrie murdered by an Israel bulldozer.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Rachel+Corr ...
In the official American 9/11 report Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's main motivation behind the attack was Americas continued support for ISRAEL this is in black and white freely available to anyone that can read! The pdf 9/11 report, its very heavy reading but i can help *5.2 The Planes Operation report page 154 about half way down "U.S. Support for Israel"*
http://www.9-11commission.gov
Report download page: http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/index.ht ...
There was the public 9/11 commission on c-span stating that the main reason for the 9/11 attacks was the continued support for Israel in their quest to cleans the occupied state "Palestine" C-Span video can be found on youtube and here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg&feature ...
Israel Violates UN Security Council, Occupying Syria's Land with Noam Chomsky: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vj45865jpE
Military AID is free weapons, 30 billion $ worth for Israel on top of the $24 billion America has already given, to continue, to illegally occupy Palestine and slaughter its inhabitants paid for by the American tax $!
Analysis: New US-Israeli arms deal (BBC) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/69499 ...
FTA:
*****Thursday, 16 August 2007, 16:02 GMT 17:02 UK
This new agreement sets increased levels of US military aid for Israel over the coming decade.
In broad terms, Israel will receive a total of some $30bn (£14.8bn) in military aid, a significant increase over $24bn (£12bn) it received over the past 10 years.
US ARMS AID TO ISRAEL
$30bn over 10 years
1st payment of $2.55bn in 2008
Annual payments rising to $3.1bn by 2011
26.3% can be spent in Israel
Rest must be spent on US arms*****
Dispatches: The Killing Zone.
British journalists report on Israeli violence in Gaza against not only Palestinian civilians, but international aid volunteers and foreign reporters as well. This is their first hand account of the violence and what life in Gaza is like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5RAxay3jg8 - punx, on 07/02/2008, -0/+4Geez, J, that one made me sick.
- inactive, on 07/02/2008, -1/+5You sound just like a Islamic terrorist!
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