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- dyozh, on 10/12/2007, -14/+109Hrm.. troops on the border, now detention camps? If history has taught us anything, it's that we should start worrying right about now.
- politech, on 10/12/2007, -12/+72I concur, This looks like a lot more than just contingency planning.
- ejpusa, on 10/12/2007, -6/+57I was in a similar "detention cell" during the RNC in NYC 2004 (Republican National Convention). They put us in barbwire cages on a NYC pier. They could put these things up in a weekend. They use flex cuffs for everyone.
They had 1800+ of us locked up. I was in 3 days, moved us after day 1 to the Tombs in NYC. The guys running these WERE NOT NYC Police, very shady group that ran back and forth. 3 days, no lawyer, never told why we were arrested (I was just standing on a street corner), No food after day 1. Water was undrinkable. Even a few of my NeoCon friends were kinda of shocked. 1933 Berlin looked really rosy too. Not to be too paranoid, but it happened to me in the good old USA. Yes, there is a federal lawsuit in the works, but just keep an eye out.
Here's what they look like from the inside:
http://slapnose.com/images/blog/0904/0904_pier57_450x338.jpg - Dradis, on 10/12/2007, -6/+51"I suspect that detaining "immigrants" is not really why these facilities are being built. What could this "influx" really be?"
That sounds like terrorist talk to me. What right do you think you have to ask questions?
/sarcasm - politech, on 10/12/2007, -15/+54Haecus you omitted one more possibility ...
(c) American Muslims. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+46
"I suspect that detaining "immigrants" is not really why these facilities are being built. What could this "influx" really be?"
These facilities are being built for either:
(a) Illegal Immigrants.
(b) Troublemakers.
Troublemakers being people who make trouble for the boss. - Modulo, on 10/12/2007, -8/+44Aw poor Haliburton and KBR, they are so hard done by, people saying mean things about them when all they are doing is trying to make a decent weeks pay for a hard days work while building concentration camps for the new american gulag.
- aroedl, on 10/12/2007, -4/+35For those of you, who still think that this is for "immigrants":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84
No, this is not a "conspiracy theory", this is for real. This is how it started a few decades ago in Germany. The public hat no clue until it was too late. I'd get out of the country asap.
Paranoia? We'll see. - Modulo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+26http://www.kbr.com/default/main/halliburton/eng/news/source_files/news.jsp?newsurl=/default/main/halliburton/eng/news/source_files/press_release/2006/kbrnws_012406.html
Horse's mouth. Now shut up about there not being sources. - ejpusa, on 10/12/2007, -5/+30If you google RNC Pier 57, you'll dig(g) up lots. Here's a wikipedia link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Republican_National_Convention_protest_activity#Police_tactics_and_Pier_57:_Guantanamo_on_the_Hudson
Emmanuel G. from 2600 was also arrested, I think he's posted lots, you have to do a bit of searching. Was pretty surreal. I was shackled to a Harvard banker on one side, and a NYU doctoral student on the other. - graystar, on 10/12/2007, -3/+28The scary thing in that article "To date, some newspapers have worried that open-ended provisions in the contract could lead to cost overruns"
Hello? Wakey Wakey! who cares about the cost? Why do you need them in the first place? - blueroo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24David, do you believe that "detention and processing" is a standard part of providing housing during an emergency?
- david76, on 10/12/2007, -4/+26libtards??? That's amusing. I don't know many liberals who push for things like "intelligent design" in schools.
- politech, on 10/12/2007, -7/+29ViperDaimao, you ask "Do you not believe that there are thousands of immigrants coming through the border daily?"
Yes I know that the borders are open.
No I don't agree that those are immigrants, they are illegals.
No I don't believe they are all Mexicans, they comprise many ethnicities.
No I don't necessarily believe the "Stated purpose"
How is conjecture about possible alternate detainees "*****"? - kbarrett, on 10/12/2007, -5/+27Is this ever going to end?
- david76, on 10/12/2007, -5/+26So... you contend the republicans have done a brilliant job with all the power they've had for the past 6 years?
- zorpscorp, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25And not very prettily...
- iamdw, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24ehh, nevermind. someone posted a KBR source below. with the story had...
- Modulo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22Yes, because those that help the tyrants into power are always given unswerving loyalty once the tyrants are totally in control. See also "Night of the Long Knives"
- barakatx2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21"Yeah, someone's a bit paranoid."
I'm sure a lot of Germans pre-WW2 thought the same thing. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23You'd be amazed at how many Halliburton subsidiaries there are. Even companies you see around town daily.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Halliburton_subsidiaries - iTorrey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20See the video of Oliver North being questioned about this by congress in the 80s.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Af4q2_Pmkv8
It is scary... because it's real - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20$350m can buy a lot of premade steel buildings and barbed wire. You don't need much more than that to detain/process people. Anyway, I checked a web site and found a 60' x 100' building for about $33,000. Let's do some quick math.
A 60' x 100' building is 6,000 sq ft. I'm going to make a conservative estimate and say you can pack a person in a 2 sq ft area... though you could probably go lower. So, with nothing else in the building, that's 3000 people for $33,000. That equates to $11 per person in each building. That's ***** cheap.
... but they have $385,000,000 to do this, so let's divide the cash by the cost per person (which is higher than it could be because I'm using retail prices and not packing people as tightly as possible) and see if this is financially possible...
Holy *****.
At that price, they could afford to detain 35 million people. Figuring a Muslim population of about 1%... that only makes up about 3 million people. If the paranoid guys are right, this would be enough cash to build facilities capable of detaining every Muslim, Jew, and Atheist *combined*... probably with enough cash left over to put a big barbed wire fence around every building. It's well over the entire population of Iraq. If this is for local people and it's based on political resistence... that figure (35m) is more than half the number of the people that voted for Gore and/or Kerry. With Diebold in charge of voting and the administration fighting for warrantless wiretapping... that's a scary thought. They have the resources, the raw information, and the legislation to make it legal... if they claim their targets are "terrorists."
Well, that's what a paranoid conspiracy nut might say.
... but, for the worst case scenario, I'm going to make sure all of my guns are loaded. :P - CatalystGhost, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20@Cwhatevertherestofthisstuffis
You do realize that your skeptical point pretty much just gave credibility to the paranoid argument, right? - totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22kbarrett,
not any time soon. - TruthElixirX, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21Whoa, can you get us some more information this?
- Modulo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18@TruthElixirX - Yes, because I was talking specifically to you. Just like the TV and the Crossword puzzle.
- TruthElixirX, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19Source posted further below this comment, putting it here:
http://www.kbr.com/default/main/halliburton/eng/news/source_files/news.jsp?newsurl=/default/main/halliburton/eng/news/source_files/press_release/2006/kbrnws_012406.html - deeek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16Unfortunately, it seems that some of those entries are incorrect. Phillip-Morris, DuPont, Amoco, etc. are not subsidiaries of Halliburton.
- joeshlub, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16Hey just wanted to get the link to a more official page furthur up:
http://www.kbr.com/default/main/halliburton/eng/news/source_files/news.jsp?newsurl=/default/main/halliburton/eng/news/source_files/press_release/2006/kbrnws_012406.html - d00ley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15Also very interesting when you add this Army link as context
www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r210_35.pdf - david76, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Here's the list of subsidiaries from Dun & Bradstreet:
http://www.cheney-halliburton.com/html/halliburton/tree.php
(A friend of mine who used to work at D&B was nice enough to provide this for my site) - JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Alex Jones has been talking about these and FEMA concentration camps for a very long time:
http://infowars.com - DigDugDigger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14After another 9/11 is staged to get us to fight another illegitimate war, the political dissenters (aka free thinkers) will be rounded up and silenced while the rest gets drafted and spreads democracy. Plays out like a poorly written movie.
- Wamzlee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16@ArticWolf_0;
'Military-Industrial Complex', look it up and may your questions will be answered, as well as you will be enlightened by the fact that this is so much more than "detention facilities". - d00ley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13sorry, here's the hyperlink:
http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r210_35.pdf - JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16FDR embargoed japan's oil to provoke the attack we know today as pearl harbor.
- mbeck145, on 10/12/2007, -10/+23A country without borders is not a country.
- enclave2, on 10/12/2007, -7/+20So I should drop out of college now right?
- d00ley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Army Civilian Labor Program
http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r210_35.pdf - Wamzlee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I think it was God who said, "If I didn't hear it, its news to me."
- 0siris, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15The real question is do you think they could fit american muslims on only a 350 mill contract?
seriously how many people do you think a 350 million dollar building(s) can hold... - techiedavid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Here is video footage
http://www.digg.com/videos_people/FEMA_Camp_footage - CatalystGhost, on 10/12/2007, -8/+18@vis
This just in: most of the guy's here AREN'T democrats. Most of us understand that the democratic party is worthless in the same way the republican party is evil. Please, stop being a democrat basher, because it really doesn't affect any of us. We're voting third party.
Also, FDR gets bonus points for having gotten us out of a massive frickin' depression. George Bush just shoved us into one. - edrift101, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10You realize that the government has control of the media...right?
- d00ley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Considering the "inbreeding", there is not a real clear distinction between KBR/Halliburton and DHS or the DoD. This is what Eisenhower was warning us about.
Also, ArcticWolf, what motivates you to defend the honor of some corporations so passionately? - sixlocal, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15@mbeck,
What about our northern border? Or east and west borders? - Couchy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10thats insane how come noones heard of this before? Police State training in progress move along now... ffs
- NoNom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10"Don't you people have ANY sense of civic responsibility or are you all just intellectually lazy?"
I'd say the majority of people are ignorant. Those who choose to speak out are called terrorists who lose all credibility to their argument. That causes others to hold their tongue. - williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10You all should google up those fellas Giuffrida and Brinkerhoff. They have a rather ugly, racist past. That last time these yahoos were planning concentration camps in the U.S. it was to round up blacks. Yeah, they are that ***** up.
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