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- ezstan, on 10/10/2007, -1/+184Use the full story source please.
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/08/24/ap4052736.html - manicallday, on 10/10/2007, -5/+89This is what happens when multinational corporations become too influential over international policy. Although this is something that many international scholars have already written about, I don't think that it has been demonstrated like this before.
- Duffeh, on 10/10/2007, -3/+82FTA:
""If you do it, you will be destroyed," said William Weaver, professor of political science at the University of Texas-El Paso and senior advisor to the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition.
"Reconstruction is so rife with corruption. Sometimes people ask me, `Should I do this?' And my answer is no. If they're married, they'll lose their family. They will lose their jobs. They will lose everything," Weaver said." - KhanneaSuntzu, on 10/10/2007, -4/+73It isn't Russia, Saudi Arabia or China, but today again I feel I HATE what the US has become.
- debah, on 10/10/2007, -3/+65This makes me sick to my stomach. What has America come to?
- mchristiansen, on 10/10/2007, -2/+54Its an AP story and being carried by Forbes.
- Albionshores, on 10/10/2007, -0/+38Is everybody just going to ignore the point that this was also about illegal arms dealings? He spoke out about weapons being put into the hands of the insurgency and the American security forces set about intimidating him to shut up.
It is not just about torture, intimidation and detention - although that is bad enough, but it is about American and British security forces allowing the insurgency to be armed. They are perpetuating thefighting to justify a military presence in the gulf and to secure more profit for corporation.
The original article:
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/08/24/ap4052736.html - Albionshores, on 10/10/2007, -1/+38An American is going though this at the hands of other Americans for speaking out about illegal arms dealings and you want to quibble over whether it is torture or not. Yes damn right it's torture. It's also an encroachment of nearly every one of his human rights.
- mchristiansen, on 10/10/2007, -1/+38The person mentioned was a contractor, not military personnel.
- TruthWillWin, on 10/10/2007, -4/+41Prescott Bush would be so ***** proud^^
- TruthWillWin, on 10/10/2007, -5/+41my god...... what has FOX news done to you my sweet clueless slave??
- hfactor, on 10/10/2007, -1/+36Some people will only change their opinion after it´s been done to themselves... but then it´s too late, my friend.
- BonerMachine, on 10/10/2007, -0/+33It eliminates the mirage that this is only happening to "the bad guys," with the uncomfortable implication that they deserve it.
- aptiva, on 10/10/2007, -6/+39And why exactly is it worse that they torture us citizens than others?
- dxgg, on 02/05/2008, -2/+32"Right now your government is doing things you thought only other governments did."
- carmaa, on 10/10/2007, -6/+36Exactly how is this worse than torturing other human beings?
- p0tent1al, on 10/10/2007, -7/+36???
And what respectable blog or television station would you expect this to be aired on? Do you know how idiotic the logic behind what you just said is? What you are basically saying...
"Oh, I like this story, too bad it isn't on a site that I like, maybe if it was on another site that I like, you know, the sites that wouldn't have this on the site at all, I would like it."
Maybe you should respect them for this piece, because I don't see any of the flunkies you love reporting this. - mibocote, on 10/10/2007, -2/+31RTFA
""It was a Wal-Mart for guns," he says. "It was all illegal and everyone knew it."
So Vance says he blew the whistle, supplying photos and documents and other intelligence to an FBI agent in his hometown of Chicago because he didn't know whom to trust in Iraq." - blaser, on 10/10/2007, -1/+27So this is the USA's democracy they want to import around the world??? Yeh that's gonna work /sarcasm
- TruthWillWin, on 10/10/2007, -6/+312000 + 2004 elections were clearly staged ánd stolen.
massive incriminating evidence, also massively ignored by the controlled corporate media.
The U.S. media is by far the worst in history, especially concerning power and influence - gerran, on 10/10/2007, -3/+27They refuse to impeach because it's a huge political move. Leave Chimp in office until the Presidential elections. This will help ensure that the Republicans have the absolute lowest level approval at election time. It will help drive votes to Democrats. Once there is a Democrat in the oval office and democrats have full control of the house and senate, hello war crimes tribunal.
Impeachment is too soft for Bush. He needs to do time and lose everything he has. His reckless leadership has put this country so far into debt that it's going to take 10 generations to get us out. - KhanneaSuntzu, on 10/10/2007, -10/+34It isn't China, Russia or Saudi Arabia, but I have to come to HATE what the US stands for.
You guys are traitors. You have elected a bunch of corporate fascists in office, twice. I call that TREASON to the rest of the civilized world. - SaudiMuslim, on 10/10/2007, -1/+25It's the snowball effect. Was this Osamah's goal all along? To turn a democracy into a fascist dictatorship? Were the attacks against civilians just a cover for an ulterior motive? God only knows, but one thing we do know is that all it takes now is just one more major terrorist attack (whether by Al-Qaedah or the US government, see Northwoods and 9/11) and the US will turn into a de facto fascist government not much different from Nazi Germany. Except that instead of Aryan pride, all the torture, murder and concentration camps will be done in the name of "national security". Just one more attack. I for one think there's a 95% chance it WILL happen. I don't want to see innocent civilians suffer, but the world is headed to its doom and all we can do is just sit back and watch, until our turn is up.
- RanIntoTheDevil, on 10/10/2007, -2/+25Sounds like it sure as hell would feel like torture. Maybe it should be done to you so you realize the physical and psychological anguish one would be in.
- leonidas333, on 10/10/2007, -4/+24I think you guys need another revolution.
Your goverment and your country is a joke - MeneerR, on 10/10/2007, -5/+24No sent them to normal prisons with a fair trail.
Otherwise you would be just like them.. - ProgressBar, on 10/10/2007, -0/+19RTA idiot. All civilians. All with their rights violated or lives ruined for trying to point out the corruption that runs rampant in the military-industrial complex.
- dboylon, on 10/10/2007, -0/+19He is acuising them of selling arms to anyone who would buy them...including the enemy. One would think that the military would be on his side...and the government. But apparantly not. The question is why not? The only reasonalbe answer is the one Robert Higgs talks about...
"As a general rule for understanding public policies, I insist that there are no persistent "failed" policies. Policies that do not achieve their desired outcomes for the actual powers-that-be are quickly changed. If you want to know why the U.S. policies have been what they have been for the past sixty years, you need only comply with that invaluable rule of inquiry in politics: follow the money.
When you do so, I believe you will find U.S. policies in the Middle East to have been wildly successful, so successful that the gains they have produced for the movers and shakers in the petrochemical, financial, and weapons industries (which is approximately to say, for those who have the greatest influence in determining U.S. foreign policies) must surely be counted in the hundreds of billions of dollars.
So U.S. soldiers get killed, so Palestinians get insulted, robbed, and confined to a set of squalid concentration areas, so the "peace process" never gets far from square one, etc., etc. – none of this makes the policies failures; these things are all surface froth, costs not borne by the policy makers themselves but by the cannon-fodder masses, the bovine taxpayers at large, and foreigners who count for nothing." - Tarnum, on 10/10/2007, -4/+22You thought your government will torture only Musilms?
- anjinash, on 10/10/2007, -1/+19Another douchebag wingnut oblivious to reality.
- razor150, on 10/10/2007, -3/+21And Nancy Pelosi still says Impeachment is still off the table. What part of this isn't ***** illegal?
- MacEnvy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+17This war has very little to do with Muslims, despite the way it's been sold to the Chrisitan Right.
- wageslaven, on 10/10/2007, -3/+19Remember that when the Conservatives try and spin this as a Democrat problem. Or when people say "the congress isnt donig anything" -- remember that it is the GOP protecting these guys by voting to continue it, voting against the Democrats who are trying to Do The Right Thing.
Remeber that when you see (R) and (D) on the ballot. - rondeth, on 10/10/2007, -1/+17Christ, who the hell said or implied this was any worse? I believe the reason it mentions "US Citizens" specifically is an attempt to wake up those who somehow disconnect when it's NOT U.S. citizens. I don't see any indication in the description or the full story that surmises that it would be completely okay were this a foreign national.
- sticksnstones, on 10/10/2007, -1/+16If you feel that way, find the other side of the story and post it.
Easy to criticize. - Albionshores, on 10/10/2007, -2/+17The thing is that it is inexcusable to use it on anyone.
- MacEnvy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+14You apparently don't understand any concept of patriotism not shouted at you by FoxNews commentators.
- manicallday, on 10/10/2007, -9/+23There's something weirdly erotic about this passage:
"You just don't have happy endings," said Weaver. "She was a wonderful example of a federal employee. They just completely creamed her. In the end, no one followed up, no one cared." - Kinkistyle, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15Because if a country is willing to torture its OWN citizens they have problems, then its not hard to imagine what they do to people they have problems with who AREN'T citizens.
- dboylon, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13Yes. Because our government is the greatest on Earth and our Ivy League educated elites are not greedy power hungery whores...they truly have our best interests at heart because they care so much for the American people. Heil Bush/Clinton!!!!! They would never lie to us!!!
- realyst, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14I agree with the parent poster on the definition of those in power. I agree with you on the means with which to get them.
A fair trial for treason still beings a life sentence. Also, freeze all assets, making sure they won't get cushy treatment. Does America still give the death penalty to traitors? - wageslaven, on 10/10/2007, -2/+15"your morals reasoning doesn't matter"
I suspect your one of those "absolute morals, all the time, without context" types. Very simple way to look at the world. - rationalist, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13It isn't "worse", but it has even severe implications; intimidating and punishing whistle-blowers ensures the perpetuation and increase of corruption, which costs lives and treasury - in addition to the weakening of our social fabric.
Not everything has to be divided in to "good" or "bad", and addressing an instance of evil does not require dismissing all others.
This is the fallacy that caused the ADL to resist calling the slaughter of Armenians a genocide - as if that would somehow make the Holocaust less heinous. It's not a binary world. - ProgressBar, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12Who cares where it came from you arse. It's a story that more American sheep need to wake up and read, so they can realize what's going on... The original source was AP in a Forbes article... that credible enough?
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/08/24/ap4052736.html - TruthWillWin, on 10/10/2007, -4/+16like always, this is the tip of the iceberg.
The evil elites control everything.... and for so long.... R.I.P. Aaron Russo... - ProgressBar, on 10/10/2007, -3/+15How about Forbes? They trustworthy enough for ya?... Ass.
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/08/24/ap4052736.html - shupy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11Sex and violence can be weirdly connected.
It is sickening that an administration, any administration can throw lifelong public servants to the dogs for political purposes. And they spin it right and get away with it. I am amazed how many Bush supporters are ready and willing to sneer at the Plame/Wilson situation. They love to post that she was a "desk jockey" and that he was sent to Iraq by his wife. Two people who had spent their entire careers trying to deal with the threat of the middle east.
And some incompetent, rich boy from a powerful family can throw that all away. - buggu, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11A revolution needs an informed mass of people, and to find that in American is; sadly but very truthfully - going to be the biggest obstacle initself.
- greenbowlball, on 10/10/2007, -3/+14Ever notice how in posts like this the republican stooges still complain but not about the post itself. Get a clue this war and this president are ***** and you don't care how stupid and desperate you look when you'll stand by them.
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