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- Gemfinder, on 01/27/2009, -22/+458DO IT.
- deadlyhaiku, on 01/27/2009, -20/+307It is a great to think that Rummy could very well end up in a jail cell asking and answering his questions for the rest of his miserable life.
- jlfb, on 01/27/2009, -11/+261Rumsfeld is a good start.
- jii731, on 01/27/2009, -18/+245This will truly show if America is a nation of laws and principles or a nation of rich bastards who stand above the laws and do anything they want.
- KimmyGibbler, on 01/27/2009, -14/+170Nothing will happen. He will just end up like Kissenger, who can't go to certain countries because they will try him for war crimes, but can do whatever the ***** he pleases in America
- novenator, on 01/27/2009, -16/+165Since he doesn't believe standing for 16 hours is cruel and inhuman punishment, he should do that before his waterboarding. That is, if he really believes these things are not torture. They could call it the Rumsfeld defense.
- bunk3rk1ng, on 01/27/2009, -33/+163DIGG THIS!
- Midtowner, on 01/27/2009, -6/+70The UN has no jurisdiction. The United States never ratified the treaty which would have given the International Criminal Court jurisdiction. I suppose he could be arrested elsewhere, but it's doubtful any other country really thinks Rummy's behavior here is important enough to cause a rift with the U.S.
- sockpuppets, on 01/27/2009, -11/+61As much as I think he's a war criminal you're kidding yourself if you think he'll ever be prosecuted.
- johnnr2, on 01/27/2009, -19/+62Let's give him a fair trial; then we'll hang him! ;->
- captainglobal, on 01/27/2009, -3/+42Sad but true.
- TheSwashbuckler, on 01/27/2009, -4/+43"there is binding US law requiring the prosecutions of those who order torture. period."
There was binding law that people could not be tortured as well... - MiveHind, on 01/27/2009, -31/+66Hang the bastard.
- wjappe, on 01/27/2009, -7/+35Perhaps he would like to enjoy the fruits of his labor from the other side's end of it. Then we can give him one of Gitmo's "fair" trials.
- jab46, on 01/27/2009, -13/+39Get Him!
- theragu40, on 01/27/2009, -5/+30Neither the UN nor the ICJ has any amount of jurisdiction whatsoever over anyone in the US. These stories keep popping up like a broken record. I repeat, the UN cannot and will not do jack *****, no matter how many times they say they could. This is not a US-exclusive thing, either. Even countries that HAVE ratified the ICJ routinely ignore its rulings when they prove inconvenient. These stories are stupid, because they consist of nothing but meaningless prattle from powerless officials.
- DOCNM, on 01/27/2009, -11/+33First, you will find that torture is technically a "worse" crime than killing. Second, your argument is asinine and hypocritical because it can be simply turned around. Until the UN takes action against the US, there is no sense in discussing action against Iran.
If instead you believe that countries should live up to the standards they expect from other countries, it's perfectly fine for the US to lead the way. - drzaeus, on 01/27/2009, -8/+29Damn right!
- fr0ng, on 01/27/2009, -10/+29As much as I want to see this happen, I'm not gonna be holding my breath.
- xanderdavis, on 01/27/2009, -2/+20That comment sums it up perfectly. ***** DO IT. We all know these people are guilty of abusing our government, and yet we did NOTHING.
DO. IT. - Sean42, on 01/27/2009, -3/+21and this is related because.................
Rumsfield should be prosecuted.
Hamas terrorists should be prosecuted,
AND Israelis' who commited war crimes should be prosecuted - PizzaEagle, on 01/27/2009, -1/+18It's totally different. I am an American, so I have no control over what Hamas does. When Rumsfeld or Cheney or any of those criminals commit crimes, they do it in my name and use my tax dollars to do it, so I have a responsibility to speak up,
- theragu40, on 01/27/2009, -4/+21If the US followed the law, then it would never submit Rumsfeld to the UN and the ICJ, since the US never ratified the treaty giving the ICJ power, meaning it does not have jurisdiction over US affairs. It might suck, but that's just the way it is. Many other countries (including ones who have actually signed the treaty) would behave similarly. No one caves to the ICJ when it is inconvenient because the ICJ has no means of enforcement.
- IphtashuFitz, on 01/27/2009, -2/+19Have him demonstrate it on himself in the court when he goes on trial, then see if he calls it torture or not.
- greendalek, on 01/27/2009, -7/+23I'd greet this story with a little more enthusiasm if it didn't seem to be exclusively coming from rawstory.
- xanderdavis, on 01/27/2009, -4/+20I totally hope he get's prosecuted. Do I think he will? No. If there's one thing you should've learned about the Bush Administration: they were above the law.
...even if the rest of us wish they were not. - 3tcp, on 01/27/2009, -2/+18The only UN official with enough clout to matter is the secretary general. Even then, it would only make a difference with a few countries. Russia and China would definitely not agree to a war crimes trial for Rumsfeld since it would be a precedant for the UN to analyze their 'law enforcement' practices. The UK wouldn't support it unless everyone else did. France is the only permanent member of the security council who would support this but nobody listens to them.
The most support that this might get will be from a handful of european nations and a few other countries that want to make the US look bad. - Hetman, on 01/27/2009, -1/+16I guess this is one of those unknown, unknown things he was talking about. Something he does not know he does not know.
- bobjohnsonmilw, on 01/27/2009, -9/+24I think I have the answer to the current financial crisis:
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bill Kristol all being water boarded daily on pay per view. - inactive, on 01/27/2009, -10/+24The UN is such a butt ***** piece of *****. They won't even send a strongly worded letter because they know the US would just ignore it.
- portnoy, on 01/27/2009, -1/+15I was under the impression that the US should separate itself from third world dictatorships and not instead measure our actions based on them.
- 0mniscient, on 01/27/2009, -3/+17Like we'd listen to the U.N.
- Rahyl, on 01/27/2009, -2/+16Hate to rain on everyone's parade but the UN isn't going to prosecute anyone. Come on, the UN? Prosecute someone? Please...
- Midtowner, on 01/27/2009, -0/+14Saddam was tried and sentenced in an Iraqi court which really didn't have much to do with the U.N. or international law.
- pathouston22, on 01/27/2009, -3/+17Huh? The UN hypocritical? NEVA!
- theragu40, on 01/27/2009, -1/+13If you followed the UN at all you would realize how unsurprising that is.
- pintomp3, on 01/27/2009, -1/+13It will make future members think twice.
- TheSwashbuckler, on 01/27/2009, -1/+12"He and others can, and will be, charged with international war crimes and violations of the 4th Geneva Convention"
Perhaps.
Good luck on getting a conviction without the cooperation of the U.S. government. - inactive, on 01/27/2009, -2/+13I'm sure he, as I, has heard the interview from the guy with 0 authority in the United States. Sorry, the US never abides by ICJ rulings unless they favor us. It's a fact. The UN has no teeth. It's a waste of money, it's a waste of time. The UN has as much authority as a middle school model UN.
- ApokalypseNow, on 01/27/2009, -2/+13Give each purchaser a ticket to a pour-a-bucket-on-them lottery and I'd buy a few hours of that.
- brickbat, on 01/27/2009, -0/+10You know what pisses me off? The god damned WTO has teeth so that when a country tries to defend itself from financial piracy, they get their asses kicked but when someone TORTURES thousands of people then be get this no jurisdiction *****. Well, *****. Take the teeth from the ***** WTO and give them to the anti-torture convention.
- tracespeck, on 01/27/2009, -12/+22I'm not condoning torture, but what law is he being accused of breaking? Geneva Conventions don't apply to combatants that aren't in uniform. So what law did he break? Again I'm not trying to stand up for torture, I want to know the legal basis against him (or the rest of the administration), if there is one.
- ayeroxor, on 01/27/2009, -8/+18"it's doubtful any other country really thinks Rummy's behavior here is important enough to cause a rift with the U.S."
You haven't been outside the US in the last 8 years, have you? - DOCNM, on 01/27/2009, -0/+10so you say that the US is like the middle east and third world?
- AWBoy666, on 01/27/2009, -3/+13Good point. Geneva conventions are not pertinent if your enemy is not following the simplest rules of war.
- darkened, on 01/27/2009, -9/+19And yet people digg you down... WTF
- tgjerusalem, on 01/27/2009, -2/+12The US hasn't been following the law, but that doesn't mean we can't start now.
And this is why the UN needs teeth. Our country's recent behavior is the exact kind of abuses the UN was created to prevent when possible and punish when necessary. - DOCNM, on 01/27/2009, -1/+10People, listen to the interview!
Is not up to the UN to try them. It's up to the US, under their treaty obligation. It's up to US citizen to demand a full inquire and that the criminals to be tried. - jasonbalmforth, on 01/27/2009, -0/+9I'm sure you never had a manual job that involved this form of 'standing'. It's more like squatting with your arms outstretched for hours at a time, usually on an uneven wobbly surface so you have to constantly use your calf muscles to maintain balance. To top it all off every so often you'll be hit hard in the abdomen which is under immense stress, the pain is incredible. Try it, I'm sure you won't even last 30 minutes.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lnyDzQKlcvw&eurl ... - gcauthon, on 01/27/2009, -1/+9Right, so lets grab random individuals who have done nothing wrong and torture them. All the while, people who really did set off bombs are living comfortably and laughing as we destroy our own country from within.
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