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- RadiantBeing, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14Gore already tried to sell climate change in the US, except he did so as the holder of the second most powerful office in America. Even by his own admission, he could only convince one Senator to ratify Kyoto. What makes him think he'll be more successful now? He may as well lobby China and India because America will never sign on to Kyoto unless all its economic competitors do. Finally, I cannot help but be a little skeptical about the timing of this report and this new partnership with Al Gore. It coincides with our midterm elections and the end of the peak of hurricane season. A season like 2005 with Katrina and Rita would have terrified the public and tremendously amplified the report's effect in the media.
"With the Kyoto Treaty, I wanted to push for ratification, but I have to say that it was perfectly reasonable for him to say "Look, our Congressional relations people tell us there is no support for it there" and I personally tried. I could only convince one Senator out of all 100 to say that he or she would definitely vote to ratify it."
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/13/lkl.01.html
http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/history/peakofseason.gif - mwolfzorn, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12"The 2002 China figures represented 3.2 tonnes per person. The figure for the US is 19.4 tonnes per person and for Germany, 10.2 tonnes."
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2004/12/14/2003215052
Yes, China is the worlds second largest producer, but with populations: 1,313,973,713 vs
298,444,215 (CIA Factbook), China has a population roughly 4.5 times larger than the United States, yet we produce 6 times as much pollutions...
Lobbying the United States makes more sense because of course China is going to have one of the highest pollutions in the world, they have the most people, while the United States can do a lot to reduce emissions. - butterpat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11China, even with its huge population, is still producing about half of the greenhouse gas that the US is pumping into the environment. The US produces, by far, the most, actually, and per person, of any country in the world.
- jambox, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Well Al Gore may be the world's greatest politician, or he may not. The fact remains that not only the scientific community, but now the economists, the government and the civil service in Britain has been swayed by the evidence and noore w believe that public investment in a zero-carbon economy would be the lesser risk over the next 20 years.
Those still in denial about this, those with most to lose (i.e. the USA), can attack individuals such as Gore until the cows come home, but I do wish they would instead concentrate on the debate itself and the body of evidence as it stands. - awm4, on 10/12/2007, -14/+21Gore couldn't even convince his home state of Tennessee to vote for him for president.
Al Gore doesn't have the respect of the majority of the American public. Most Americans view him as a sideshow. If Britain thinks that this will help their cause they are sadly mistaken. - mandarin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8That's Sir Al Gore to you !
- tsf5000, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11You're an idiot.
- GuernUK, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Here is the report released in the UK which kick started this discussion...
http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/independent_reviews/stern_review_economics_climate_change/sternreview_index.cfm
Here is a simplified summary of its implications...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6098362.stm - siszam, on 10/12/2007, -12/+17Gore has my respect. The majority of Americans voted for Bush, support war and don't believe in climate change. That doesn't make them right!
- cyberdork, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Lack of evidence?
So when was the last time you picked up a meterological, geophysical or climatology journal?
Because if you would then you would find out that there is no lack of evidence, but actually the complete opposite. - surfit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@GabrielS
UK only shares a border with one country and it has achieved its target. The reason a lot of other countries within Europe failed to meet their targets is simply because they set them way, way too high. Like Germany did a lot better than the UK, but didn't meet its own target. - cyberdork, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9"...the science behind human changed climate is still a little iffy"
It is? Well, not acording to climatologists, but I guess their opinion is not really that important... - sporktek, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12Hell yeah, I mean, he practically laid the tubes himself.
- tsf5000, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8There IS evidence for global warming.
- cyberdork, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7@Ramble:
Are those theories proven by scientific data? Because all those alternative theories I know do not come from scientists.
Could you post a link to a peer reviewed article? Or a newspaper article etc, if it has a reference to an actual scientific publication. - RobynG7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4How is that possible? The US emits 2 times as much CO2 as the whole of Europe west of Moscow. I would think that if Germany, the UK and Ireland produced similar CO2 per capita as the US, Europe would have higher CO2 emissions, no?
I'm not saying they can't fix up their game. All developed countries need to clean up. But the US accounts for waaaaay more CO2 than anyone else, it's just out of proportion to its population and its economy. - maiku00, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7trust me, you have the american hearts
the only thing you need to convince are the hysterical nut jobs sitting at the top - zelig, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4For a country the size of Germany, they seem to be polluting more than their fair share as well.
- cyberdork, on 10/12/2007, -11/+14I find it funny that most people who try to dispute human induced climate change are people who would be economically hurt by carbon dioxide emission restrictions, while the people who fully back emission restrictions are the scientists who study the climate every single day...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Well Al Gore did invent the internet.... /sarcasm
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+9because we admit more greenhouses gases than china ever could, even with their dirtier factories.
- ThinkBox, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@ omaryak
"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."
TRANSCRIPT - VIA CNN
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/03/09/president.2000/transcript.gore/index.html
He did NOT say "we (Congress)" Or is CNN apart of this Republican Invention you mention as well? - repins, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2did you read the story he posted? and check out the referenced research material?
- skulljar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You meant to wonder how many emission points he bought/traded for the trip? Let's just attack the messenger instead of the message, right?
- tsf5000, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Looks like I hit a nerve.
- cyberdork, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Germany, Japan, UK, Ireland, South Korea have all around the same amount of Carbon Dioxide emission per capita and are all similar technologically developed countries.
You can also look at the United States Virgin Islands... they emit 120 tons of CO2 per capita every year. - kayjay, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6anyway i watched the inconvient truth and i liked it. it was very dramatic, not too scientific and had a lot of information i didnt know.
- twistedonion, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@magoo... you are being sarcastic right? The worlds frozen water isn't bobbing about on top of water you know? It's water melting into the sea. Sea levels will rise, fact. I can't believe how many flippant remarks there are about something that is happening. We are messing things up for ourseves. The planet will recover just fine, we'll suffer more the less we do now though.
- kayjay, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3spread support the global warming initiative in the USA?
EASY!!! just link it somehow to the "war on terror"!
this'll work for sure - elebrio, on 10/12/2007, -8/+9Personally i think we should do what everyone else is doing... sign it and then not live up to the agreement. http://www.forbes.com/finance/feeds/afx/2005/11/18/afx2345473.html
People in glass houses... - rationalist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2sorry cyberdork, meant to digg you up but hit the wrong icon.
- cyberdork, on 10/12/2007, -9/+10Because the US is still BY FAR the biggest producer of GHG in the world. China is not even close!
- tsf5000, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8Sally2Trees has obviously never been to America.
- cyberdork, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@RobynG7:
If Germany, the UK, Ireland etc. have each an CO2 emission of 10 tons per capita... well, than their combined emission per capita would be.... 10 tons! - omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6He never said he invented the Internet; that was a Republican invention. He said "we (Congress) took the initiative in creating the Internet," and he did sponsor the bill that provided funding for ARPAnet, the Internet's predecessor. But not that Gore's opponents are necessarily interested in the truth (even I will admit it is more fun to mock him).
- zelig, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1oh, please. I'm a messenger too. Can I use more than my fair share like Gore?
- licoricewhip, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Yes.
- skulljar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So what do you suggest? Sit at home and tell people about climate change? How would a politician implement campaign reform? By not being elected? Should Gore just swim overseas when he needs to go?
- macgoo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I agree. I have never seen this evidence everyone is talking about. I know one thing. The ocean levels where I live are clearly going down, not up. Has anyone ever put an ice cube in a glass of water and watched which way the water level goes as it melts?
- tuebst8k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp
Anytime someone does something good you can be sure it will be used against them by their political enemies. - omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1In 1997 when Kyoto ratification first failed not all the evidence was in yet on global warming. Since then there have been definitive finds and more extreme weather to change people's minds.
- skulljar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1If you have not already seen "an inconvenient truth" or done at least a few hours of scientific (vice political) research, you should not post criticisms of Gore in this thread.
- pintomp3, on 10/12/2007, -21/+21he did get the more votes than bush back in 2000... forgot about that part eh?
- nblsavage, on 10/12/2007, -10/+10Because the U.S. is *still* the #1 polluter in the world. China is rapidly coming up but we have no excuse.
- GabrielS, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4The United States shouldn't and won't sign the Kyoto Protocol. It's exemptions are far and wide. Additionally, the framework favors nations sharing borders with many nations and disfavors countries like the United States that only shares a border with two nations.
- cyberdork, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Again one of those idiots who prefers political statements over scientific studies.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+9I cant wait until these people are back in the minority.
IT really shows the sad state of the education system in the US, or the sad state of greed. - astrotrain, on 10/12/2007, -8/+7"hello... I'm Al Gore... and I took the initiative to creatin' the weather system..."
- surfit, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Does it always have to come down to left vs. right?
- jav1231, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Because the Brits have done some stupid *****. Like some of their speech laws. Teenaged girl is put in a study group with a group of Asians who all sat around speaking their native language. She went to the teacher and asked to be put with another group because she couldn't understand them. She was pulled from class, called a racists, and had charges filed against her. Why does Gore think they might listen? Because they are closer to Leftist than we are.
Alright, Slashdotters....hit those thumbs-downs...c'mon mod me down! Feelin' the love! -
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