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- HenvY, on 02/12/2008, -6/+121I get more disillusioned with British law everyday, it's like labour won't be happy untl they've taken every last bit of freedom we have away.
- rix0r, on 02/12/2008, -1/+81How is the government going to enforce this properly? There is a whole host of problems with this.
Off the top of my head: How will they know the data that is being downloaded is illegal? You can't just send out a warning for using the Bittorrent protocol, for example. What if the user is downloading Open Office or Linux? Or a game demo or a whole host of other perfectly legal things.
What if, as the article states, the user's Wi-Fi is being stolen and used to download illegal stuff?
What if the user doesn't check their email? What if they don't have an email address registered with their ISP? Are you going to fine them on the "2nd Strike" even if they didn't know they had had a warning already?
This is, in short, un-enforceable. - SwampyUK, on 02/12/2008, -3/+65So what happens when all this is in place and CD/DVD sales still go down in the uk? Who are they going to blame then?
- PaulPinfield, on 02/12/2008, -2/+61Two points...
1. Do they really think that this will have any effect? Deterrence is only effective when the offender believes there is a real chance of being caught. File sharing is so widespread that the ability for ISPs to deal with this severely limited. ISPs will go out of business. Imagine reporting 40% of your clients, each of whom pay you £10 to £20 per month, and then cutting off their internet access...
2. Does this signal an opportunity for a different type of licensing for binary products? - Stalks, on 02/12/2008, -1/+50The majority of files shared are held by foreign copyright holders. Does this mean Britain will police the British internet on behalf of other countries?
- MattBlackCat, on 02/12/2008, -3/+51"Illegal downloaders" is the new "drugs war"
- Xephyr, on 02/12/2008, -1/+44This is bad... Come on Britian pull your socks up. :-(
- sk11, on 02/12/2008, -3/+36We're against widespread spying on the public just to prevent copyright violation. It's like the police wire-tapping every single phone to catch people saying something libellous.
- bosssmiley, on 02/12/2008, -1/+30"This is, in short, unenforceable." - Rixor
Like *that's* ever going to stop the blind, galumphing elephant of Whitehall bureaucracy. They'll blunder into the situation on the say-so of a paid for 'expert' and cause colossal resentment among the net-using public by picking on people for the wrong reasons.
Oh, and who ends up paying for this new enforcement regime? ISP customers (passing on the costs, an old and time-hallowed strategy) and the poor old taxpayer. - iamichi, on 11/12/2008, -4/+30They never heard of encryption? Most Bit Torrent clients now support encrypted downloads, Usenet sites have SSL (such as https://secure.members.easynews.com/), given an encrypted version of the pirate bay and the ISPs can't see what your downloading. They'd have to connect to the torrent trackers to see what IPs are downloading the data; for every torrent out there. Hmmmm. Sounds like a bloody stupid idea to me.
- doskir, on 02/12/2008, -1/+27the missing entertainment laws that force you to spend at least 10% of your monthly income on dvds and cds from major labels
- PaulPinfield, on 02/12/2008, -2/+28Or perhaps you should carry on as normal knowing that the chances of getting caught are hovering somewhere around... zero.
- wastedlife, on 02/12/2008, -1/+25Damn, I guess I'll just have to steal my neighbours wireless instead.
- roodammy44, on 02/12/2008, -1/+25First of all - it's not criminal, it's a civil matter, unlike speeding.
Second of all, it's very intrusive to routinely check what people do on the internet
Third of all, music and movie companies are nothing but leaches on both artists and consumers and are clinging to a failing business model by trying to punish anyone who doesn't pay their ridiculous prices.
When prices are too high, a black market is created. - DocHoliday22, on 02/12/2008, -3/+21We don't like people who whine and preach...
- borez, on 02/12/2008, -1/+18Last weeks film stats " North America"
1. "Meet the Spartans," $18.5 million
2. "Rambo," $18.2 million
3. "27 Dresses," $13.3 million
4. "Cloverfield," $12.7 million
5. "Untraceable," $11.3 million
6. "The Bucket List," $10.5 million
7. "Juno," $10.1 million
8. "National Treasure: Book of Secrets," $4.9 million
9. "There Will be Blood," $4.8 million
Yep..Piracy and downloading are absolutely decimating the industry?? - chris9902, on 02/12/2008, -1/+18you should see the guys who didn't get in. We're stuck become a rock a hard place here.
There's no ***** way I'm voting in David Cameron. - sk11, on 02/12/2008, -1/+18The freedom of not being spied and monitored, just because someone, somewhere might be infringing copyright.
- kotatsu, on 02/12/2008, -2/+19Anyone who lives in the UK will know all to well how authoritarian the UK government is. Cameras on every street corner, laws preventing freedom of speech, and now a ban from the internet for downloading an MP3. I mean banning people from using the internet?! The net isn't a toy, it's as essential to everyday life as petrol and telephones. To ban someone from using it is spectacularly retarded, but then, that describes the UK government perfectly.
I only hope that when the next election comes along we in the UK are able to finally vote these Orwellian clowns out of power. - scribat, on 02/12/2008, -4/+21You sir are an idiot. If they have to scan their traffic to find out who is downloading pirated content, that means they have the justifacation to scan anything they want under this pretense. They can read through your email, instant messaging, anything they want. Just like the article says, it's like the royal mail openeing every letter sent thruogh them.
- moletimer, on 02/12/2008, -1/+18***** the online police-state.
- manicallday, on 02/12/2008, -1/+17And most of those movies suck. Meet the Spartans? That's not even worth the bandwidth.
- BigW, on 02/12/2008, -1/+17Nah, sorry. How bout supporting DRM free downloads and not suing their customers, period. This insanity has gone on long enough.
- ifknot, on 02/12/2008, -3/+18using torrent != illegal downloads
thoughtless generalizations == wanker - borez, on 02/12/2008, -0/+1540%? Probably more like 90%
- neio, on 02/12/2008, -1/+16Sneakernet will bypass this.
- thirdman, on 02/12/2008, -0/+15Like you, you mean?
- Novem30, on 02/12/2008, -1/+15What about business, school’s and other shared Internet access areas?
- Aensland, on 02/12/2008, -1/+15...and we all know how well the drug war was fought, don't we.
- bentman78, on 02/12/2008, -4/+17I don't feel bad for the Brits. They're the ones that keep voting labour in...
- webcrumb, on 02/12/2008, -0/+13They already filter for child pornography and terrorism-related materials. The facility is there. It's just one step at a time.
"The innocent have nothing to hide."
Except their privacy and dignity. - newnumber2, on 02/12/2008, -7/+20Every day another reason to leave the uk.
- iainharper, on 02/12/2008, -4/+17utterly unenforceable - this makes UK politicians look ridiculous. Here's a radical suggestion: instead of supporting DRM free downloads and then persecuting their customers, how about the record industry gets around the table and comes up with a truly independent, non-proprietary, single global standard for DRM that looks after both the fair use interests of the customer and protects the artists' copyright. If not, don't complain when we have no independent music scene in a matter of years, and have to listen to a diet of ageing re-formed bands.
- idivine, on 02/12/2008, -0/+12If this happens i'll just move to Sweden.
- Xephyr, on 02/12/2008, -3/+15Wrong.
- TritonX, on 02/12/2008, -0/+12And how are they going to enforce it? How are they going to know that your download is illegal? Will the content owner have to sue an IP? Will the ISP have to monitor everything and allow downloads only from approved ips? What about encryption, they will have to make it illegal because you might be transferring "illegal" materials without them able to spy on you? What if someday Microsoft goes along with is patent threat, will Linux distros then be considered illegal the time of the hearings? Once again another law that they won't be able to enforce, only the computer illiterate will be affected by stupid internet controls laws.
- MysticSavage, on 02/12/2008, -1/+13Where's Guy Fawkes when you need him?
- TheSnuffster, on 02/12/2008, -1/+13Go download Steal This Film 2 off the Pirate Bay, and then tell me you still want to give up 90% of the cost of a CD to some company that had nothing to do with the creative input of the music you wanted to hear.
When the opportunity arises for me to pay an artist directly, such as Radiohead or Saul Williams, I do, but not when my hard earned cash is stolen by fat managers of greedy companies. - roodammy44, on 02/12/2008, -1/+13You're wrong.
But if you go on a darknet, they won't be able to detect a thing. - roodammy44, on 02/12/2008, -0/+12There's not much we can do to change what's wrong because the government doesn't listen to the people anymore.
Remember when 2 million people went to protest in london against the upcoming Iraq war? And they didn't listen?
It's not just that they're not listening, it's everything.
Now - tell me how we can change things.
I'm planning to leave for Scandinavia - FeargusMcDuff, on 02/12/2008, -1/+12Who needs the police when you have ISPs
- doskir, on 02/12/2008, -2/+13technically by bittorrenting the album they actually saved radiohead some money because radiohead didn't have to pay for the bandwidth
- Lawbringer, on 02/12/2008, -0/+11to be replaced by the other Orwellian clowns!
The problem with goverments is that only power hungry idiots tend to get anywhere. - borez, on 02/12/2008, -0/+11Sorry, forgot this was Diggapedia
- scarwars, on 02/12/2008, -1/+11and so what?
Does it look like i'm losing any sleep over it?
"I will accept any rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious; I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for anything I do." - maffiou, on 02/12/2008, -0/+10I haven't bothered downloading mp3 in years... The things that come out are just too *****...
I indulge in some TV series that are either not shown in the UK or with such delay that I can't be bothered to wait... I did end up buying the box set for some of them as some form of reward for the creators. - rojo21, on 02/12/2008, -0/+10No IT project undertaken by the british govt has EVER been anything other than an unmitigated disaster - these Bozo's don't even know how to switch on a computer never mind understand whats going on.
Me worried -no chance - STKD, on 02/12/2008, -2/+121) Encrypt all your traffic.
2) Done. Continue to leech as normal. -
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