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- Sozzi, on 04/13/2008, -9/+489did anyone else read "two-hundred millionaires?"
- jbdobd, on 04/13/2008, -10/+153After the last 8 years, I sure as hell am bitter. And I welcome having a presidential candidate with the balls to recognize it and be honest about it.
- xerigen, on 04/13/2008, -6/+85GOD DAMNIT! Can we CUT THE ***** and talk about REAL ISSUES?! This is so meaningless it hurts my brain!
- bfrank72, on 04/13/2008, -1/+64Hyphens rule the world, man.
- synystar, on 04/13/2008, -2/+60Yeah ... I almost read the article. When I saw it was two "hundred-millionaires" I thought "Who cares?"
- Mewchu11, on 04/13/2008, -2/+56that's a sweet ass-car!
- crapuccino, on 04/13/2008, -0/+42I did. I had this amusing mental vision of 200 guys smacking Obama over the head with enormous wads of cash singing along to Hall & Oates "Out of Touch"
I really need to get out more ... - Gabberwok, on 04/13/2008, -7/+48Except I completely agree with his statement. People have been exploited on these wedge issues into supporting candidates who will actively undermine their economic interests. The problem is Obama has a nasty habit of telling the truth even when it hurts him politically. It's one of those things I like about him, but wish he could tone down a bit so he actually wins this election.
- Edrick, on 04/13/2008, -9/+41If Obama's your idea of a socialist then I'd hate to see what you'd say if you met...well...an actual socialist.
- Ajajadude, on 04/13/2008, -16/+44If they're offended by that then they really are bitter and out-of-touch and should probably seek counseling. It wasn't exactly the best thing he could have said, but it certainly wasn't the worst thing that could have been said. What's there to be extremely offended about? Honestly?
- synaesthesia, on 04/13/2008, -3/+31I disagree. For longer than most of us have been alive, Hillary has been in the elite upper-class of society. From working as a high-paid lawyer to being the wife of the State Governer, then First Lady, now a Senator, she has been so far from the daily life of the average American it is beyond ludicrous for her to call ANYBODY out of touch. Her personal assets have been in the millions for almost a decade.
Thats the person who is trying to say Obama, worked-his-way-to-the-top-from-the-bottom Obama, who only JUST made his first million from his book a few years ago, is out of touch. ***** ridiculous. - Joshuarr, on 04/13/2008, -11/+37You're retarded. Most of my family lives in PA, and yes, they absolutely are bitter and downtrodden. And all of them that I've discussed this with are actually excited that someone actually understands what they're going through. They don't need counseling, they don't need a 600 dollar stimulus check, they don't even need a new fixed rate mortgage. But they do need something to look forward to.
- scairborn, on 04/13/2008, -3/+20Yes, I am from Pennsylvania and I'm bitter.
- JoJoMoMo, on 04/13/2008, -10/+27When he stops being attacked unfairly, folks will calm down. Did you CNN's reasonable take on the issue? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G8dRMofHNs It's Hillary that needs to calm down first. We're just responding to her crap.
- Lutremi, on 04/13/2008, -12/+29No, but the fact that they've had the money so long does. If you began living an extravagant lifestyle decades ago, how could you credibly say that you "know" what people are going through right now?
- 4d669, on 04/13/2008, -3/+19I never thought I see the day in which supporting REAL candidates for REAL parties would be considered crazy. You people have been brainwashed so deeply, that doing ANYTHING that is different from what the masses and media agree upon is automatically considered 'tinfoil hat' talk in your mind with no reasoning behind it. I wonder how long until being a democrat is considered being a tin foil hat lunatic. People like you read 1984 in high school and rave about it and then you go on the internet and demonstrate how double think owns your soul.
- Pillage, on 04/13/2008, -0/+16I don't mean to be...an ***** but for some people low or unskilled jobs are the only jobs they can do.
- Pillage, on 04/13/2008, -6/+18How many times is a guy that is great with words gonna be so bad with them?
- chris9902, on 04/13/2008, -1/+12So they're bitter about the whole thing?
- smacksaw, on 04/13/2008, -0/+11Well, I haven't finished his book yet, but from what I understand thus far his stance on that issue is not letting companies get away scot-free by eliminating plants. I'm all for free trade and fair trade, but that's assuming the other side follows the same rules. No one does.
It's interesting to me to think about it. What if GM shuts down a plant and moves it to Mexico? NAFTA pretty much lets them do that. What if we taxed the imported cars from the line they moved to pay for job retraining and benefits for the displaced workers?
Is that really such an offencive idea? A job isn't welfare. But it comes down to gov't and taxpayers who have to pay for a town that gets gutted by an industry leaving. It costs ALL of us. GM or whoever really gets away with murder because they leave and the burden is on the communities and taxpayers. Why should they have it so easy after that?
You're half right about not wanting to bring low-skill jobs back the USA. In fact, I'm all for shipping jobs to the developing world. I think it's wrong that monopolise prosperity while other people are subjugated by our imperialism and corporatism. But if we're going to get rid of low-skill jobs, THE IDEA IS NOT TO REPLACE THEM NOTHING. We're supposed to replace them with better jobs. That's progress. We need progress, not elimination. - lhbaker, on 04/13/2008, -1/+11I thought it was an Onion story, where Obama is mobbed by angry rich people.
- Lobstertacular, on 04/13/2008, -2/+12or you could just link to the xkcd comic:
http://www.xkcd.com/37/ - lamiaconfitor, on 04/13/2008, -2/+12he said gently caressing his gun and bible.
- smacksaw, on 04/13/2008, -4/+13Considering I've sat with these people for years who have been forced to leave the PA area, you're pretty stupid to think I don't know them or their stories or that we actually talk.
- Cyberen, on 04/13/2008, -24/+33Obama, Hillary. Obama, Hillary, McCain.
While people like Ron Paul and Mike Gravel are swept under the rug due to media blacklisting.
And people just go along with it!
Who gives a ***** about this Obama drama? Don't you realize this ***** is cooked up and amplified to distract people from actual ISSUES? - smacksaw, on 04/13/2008, -12/+21They were offended because they were looking for an excuse to be offended.
I'm a huge Pittsburgh Steelers fan, and for years I have watched the games with the Black and Gold Brigade. When it's not a Steelers game, I often watched games in Eagles bars.
Those are the most easily offended fans in Football, save maybe the Browns fans. It's like looking for a fight or an argument. - jamesmcv, on 04/13/2008, -3/+11You don't have to experience something personally to be sensitive to the issues that face others. I've never personally experienced war, but I'm fully aware of how horrible it is. It doesn't seem like a relevant point to attack a candidate on.
- digitalarcanum, on 04/13/2008, -0/+8I live in the City of Detroit. We have the highest unemployment rate in the country, our mayor is a crook who wastes city taxpayer dollars, the big three auto-makers are shipping all their jobs overseas, and I'm barely making ends meet with my bills and education, even though I'm not living on campus -- I'm still living at home, as much as I'm ashamed to admit.
My parents are hard-working folk who worked to get to where they are today. My dad worked over 30 years at Ford, and has finally retired. He's over 60 years old by the way. For Hillary or McCain to assume that us working folk are not bitter about Washington's lack of progress in keeping jobs here in the US is a slap in the face. Not just to me who is majoring in IT in spite of hearing how Chrysler just shipped 200 IT jobs from Michigan to India, but to my father who was a member of the UAW and believed in "buying american". That same phrase is now a load of tripe when every major industry in the US is shipping production and support overseas.
While I don't agree with Obama's presumptions that we care more about guns, abortion, gay marriage and religious matters than financial matters, He's still right about one thing: I'm bitter. I don't believe in the Government anymore. I don't believe in my city's government (City council is a ***** zoo and our major is a criminal), I don't believe in the state government (Granholm can't do ***** for our state right now) and I sure as hell don't believe in the Federal Government with as much ***** as we've been put through for the last two terms with George Bush and this pointless war we're fighting.
While Obama's words weren't the best he could've used, he's the candidate I can relate closest to. - smacksaw, on 04/13/2008, -2/+10He's breaking the unsaid rule about politicians telling the truth. It's supposed to be about rhetoric. Done right, it should look like the campaign Kang and Kodos ran in The Simpsons. God forbid he tell the truth!
- kurtergad87, on 04/13/2008, -0/+7The question is not if a job is created, but whether that job stimulates the rest of the economy. If a job in the public sector is one less in the private sphere, then yes, it might have no real effect for growth. If a job in the public sector however increases the overall productivity of society, it should be encouraged.
- shyner, on 04/13/2008, -6/+13I had to reread the title a few times to actually comprehend it. "Two hundred-millionaires" was confusing at first...
- Netrilix, on 04/13/2008, -1/+8Thank you. I am sick of this bandwagon crap that has every negative post about him buried. What happened to actual political discussion? Personally, I'm planning on voting for him at the moment, but that's not locked in stone. I will continue to watch how the whole thing unfolds, and go from there. Apparently Digg isn't the place to turn for honest argument about the issues.
- inactive, on 04/13/2008, -0/+7It's not 200 millionaires, it's 2 hundred millionaires, as in two people with more than 100 million dollars dollars.
- inactive, on 04/13/2008, -0/+7I... Think he was being sarcastic, but it really is hard to tell these days.
- mdwstmusik, on 04/13/2008, -0/+7I grew up an hour outside of Pittsburgh. As someone who HAD TO move away from family and friends to "live where the food is," you're damn right I'm bitter.
My wife and I are both college graduates. We struggled to make ends meet for almost 10 years in the "Rust Belt" because we had both grown up there and everyone we cared about lived there. Within two weeks of relocating, we both had jobs making 4-5X what we were making "back home."
When the Steel Mills and the Coal Mines and the Glass Factories, etc. close down, jobs at all skill level go away. - Railz, on 04/13/2008, -3/+10The New Deal?
- NonLeftistDiggr, on 04/13/2008, -17/+23These are people who stood by and watched their job be pulled out from under them, because they were too busy listening to politicians and union reps tell them they had a right to good paying high benefits low skilled manufacturing jobs, while the rest of the country and world passed them by. I don't know what Obama is talking about, but it sounds like he wants to bring back low skilled labor jobs to the USA!! YAY!!!!...... oh wait.
What these people really need is a good scrub down of conscience to rid themselves of the ideaology all these populist politicians brainwashed into them for generations that they can't make it on their own. - Fordi, on 04/13/2008, -2/+8I like the people here who are bitching that you're being socialist - despite the fact that you're referring more to Obama's promise to change the way DC politics works in reference to corporate welfare and lobbying, yet they don't understand that Bush's $600 'stimulus package' is rather the definition of a socialist moment.
They also don't understand that, yet, people in PA - hell, people the nation around are bitter about the US Government. It sucks that it's nigh impossible to get a rational voice heard. It's crap that we have stupid, nonsensical laws on the books. It's absolutely devastating that it's damn near insurmountable for many post-steel and other post-industry towns in PA to recover and regain the level of greatness they once had.
We're trying. Some have had success (Pottstown, Pittsburgh). Some are still failing (Reading). Some suffer from high taxes, high prices, and local corruption (Philadelphia). Overall, yes, we're resilient, optimistic, and hopeful, but we're still annoyed at our would-be authority in DC for essentially telling us about how things will get better - yet lifting not a legislative finger to help us out.
Meanwhile, though I hate that our state is slowly grinding mountains to dust, Obama's position on liquid coal is a help to him.
Really, though, I believe that PA's wide geographically based reliance on monoindustry has been a terrible harm to us as we burn through our resources. Half the reason we were as successful as we were in steel and in brickmaking was that we rape our own land so efficiently. Once we run out of one resource, it takes ages for us to hop onto a new one and rebuild the prosperity of our towns - but that's my opinion, and not one that should carry any weight so far as policies concerning PA's industry goes. - novaculus, on 04/13/2008, -1/+7Or, you can hang around and inject the occasional note of sanity and rationality into the ongoing moonbat opera, then sit back and enjoy the resulting cacophony of cognitive dissonance. Sweet!
- inactive, on 04/13/2008, -4/+10"they treat us as ignorant isolationist racists"
Well, to be fair, it isn't a wholly inaccurate description. - irvman21, on 04/13/2008, -0/+6It is amazing to me how many times a very gifted, very intelligent speaker has made huge mistakes lately.
- scottc, on 04/13/2008, -0/+6He's been talking about the possibility of a recession in his campaign speeches for months now - long before the current administration dared to mention it.
- jkmerr, on 04/13/2008, -5/+10I'm an independent voter with very dearly and deeply held religious convictions and strong opinions against gun control. (I'm a committed Catholic with all that implies, and I believe that the founding fathers intended the second amendment to protect the rights of the individual to defend himself against government tyranny when all else fails.) I've read Barack Obama's books, and frankly I think he has an agnostic streak in him, despite posturing to the contrary. Furthermore, it's just a plain fact that he's a staunch advocate for gun control; and I don't think that he really understands how deeply ingrained firearms are in the culture out here in rural America. I don't find the statement at the heart of all this controversy surprising from Mr. Obama surprising, even if they are a bit disheartening.
However, I (tentatively) intend to vote for him, despite the issues I disagree with him on. Mr. Obama is willing to talk about issues like these frankly and honestly. The other candidates can't even come close to his candor. And after reading what he's had to say in "The Audacity of Hope" I believe that he truly does make an effort to understand the people on the other side of the aisle and find a common ground. (BTW, I've read a couple of John McCain's books as well, notable "Worth Fighting For" and I detect no such conciliatory tone.)
Barack Obama might not have the best grip on rural culture, but right now we're facing some rather large national emergencies, many of which have gotten to where they are because our politicians are afraid to address them. Hopefully, my fellow Americans will see past all this noise being generated by the Clintons and John McCain. - ogisdan, on 04/13/2008, -2/+7Someone should ask Hilary what she wants for this election. She knows she is only hanging in by a needle; instead of dropping out and helping her fellow party member, she is slandering his name. It seems as though she has a mine or none mentality because all she is doing is dividing democratic voters which could possibly lead to a McCain USA.
- fishbert, on 04/13/2008, -2/+7Either way it's read is inaccurate. The only true hundred-millionaire ever in contention was Mitt Romney.
The article counts earnings over the last 8 years, rather than present net worth when it calls Clinton a 'hundred-millionaire'.
But then turns around and counts Obama's single-year earnings from FIVE YEARS AGO... but is careful not to include money from his best-selling book. Talk about cherry-picking!
If you want a real reason to vote for Obama, there are much better places to find them that this sensationalist ***** article. - Anisotropic, on 04/13/2008, -0/+5Such rules are in place in France. They have higher unemployment.
- kerowack, on 04/13/2008, -2/+7McCain's not personally even close to being as rich as Hillary. And his wife's inheritance is protected by a pre-nup. The majority of his income is his $150,000 US Senate salary and his $60,000 US Navy pension.
- darwinwins, on 04/13/2008, -3/+8He has more in touch with white rural Americans than the other two just based on personal finance. Hell, most of the college students come from middle class and he is strictly middle class. Obama is much much closer to middle America in that regard - he's just finished paying off his college loans a few years ago. How many middle America students go to college on Scholarship? Well this guy did it and now he's running for POTUS and beating the crap out of someone who's very much been part of American politics since the early 20's. That's quite the achievement that middle America can only hope to one day achieve and Obama embodies it. While Hilary may have been middle class at once time, that was over three decades ago.
- ZenaTWQ, on 05/05/2008, -0/+5I want to digg this at least twice :)
- darwinwins, on 04/13/2008, -1/+6Yes and no. The government does and doesn't create jobs. The context in which he speaks about job growth is by providing the conditions in which jobs might come back an area - nothing in life is guaranteed but he can implement measures by which companies would look more favorable in establishing jobs back to those battered areas. As for the government, it does create jobs and pays its employees from taxes people pay. Otherwise, the government wouldn't function without people.
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