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Thought Crime Prevention Bill Passed

nationalexpositor.com — The U.S. House of Representatives recently passed HR 1955 titled the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007. This bill is one of the most blatant attacks against the Constitution yet and actually defines thought crimes as homegrown terrorism. If passed into law, it will also establish a commission and a Center of Exc

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manmagma, on 11/07/2007, -1/+46Wow - is anybody else getting scared yet? Homegrown Terrorism: the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change. Now that's some vague language. Would I be a terrorist for advocating social change?
- geddon, on 10/31/2007, -0/+33I'm counting the number of times I've advocated "hanging the war criminals" and wondering how much longer I'll be around to Digg these stories!
- notque, on 10/30/2007, -0/+28Make sure to contact any news agencys you can think of that may help us get the news out. I'm contacting Democracy now. you should email them too, if we all do they are likely to carry the story.
  
  mail@democracynow.org
  
  Any other places that might get the news out? This is ***** serious.
  - geddon, on 10/30/2007, -0/+23Fantastic idea! Someone should write up a standard letter for people to copy+paste+send to the respective news agencies..
- notque, on 11/14/2007, -0/+21More Articles on the topic
  
  http://www.counterpunch.org/smith10252007.html
  http://public.cq.com/docs/cqt/news110-000002610404 ...
  http://www.crosswalk.com/news/11557693/
  - geddon, on 11/14/2007, -0/+14The last two articles (which mainly focus on the spin) paint a clear picture as to why most Americans won't see this as an issue. The lack of funding is quoted repeatedly, along with the intention to merely study the habits of would-be terrorists. As with every step in the process of dismantling our liberties, those who oppose such a bill would be assumed to have "something to hide," or considered a sympathizer for the Terrorists, without completely understanding the ramifications.
- duggtodeath, on 11/14/2007, -0/+6This is doubleplusungood :(
- keyboardduder, on 10/30/2007, -1/+3If you read the definition you can clearly point out that violence is the main trigger. If you gathered by the thousands with no violence, you are OK. Violent acts are the problem. Im not saying the bill is a good thing, but all it does is cut down on violence. What it does prevent is a Comp D' eat. (sic)
  - PeppermintPig, on 10/30/2007, -0/+4If I talk about violent revolution, but don't specify who the revolution is against, am I still violating this law?
    
    Pundits and Politicians already advocate violent revolution of Iran's government, aka 'regime change' (remove one regime and put in their own). Are they going to jail any time soon for these thought crimes?
notque, on 10/31/2007, -2/+39(3) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM- The term homegrown terrorism’ means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

Wow. The United States government commits the most terrorist acts in the World, and now they want to focus on us if we try to stop them. Good ***** going generations who haven't done ***** since Vietnam.
- PaulPinfield, on 10/30/2007, -0/+1So, when are all the gun owning Americans going to come together as a "well regulated militia" to protect the constitution from this shower of *****?
geddon, on 11/07/2007, -0/+35Notice the bill was sponsored by Jane Harman, a DEMOCRAT from California!
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill= ...
- nicholai, on 10/30/2007, -0/+3This is why the two party system does not work, we need to start voting libertarian.
- pawnzRus, on 11/01/2007, -0/+0You do realize the bill got 404 yes votes don't you? That means nearly ALL Democrats AND Republicans voted FOR it. Regardless of who proposed it, nearly ALL passed. Doesn't reflect good on either side.
  This post should be buried, just for trying to shift blame.
parabolee, on 11/07/2007, -3/+29So much for a democratic congress eh?

Kucinich 2008
- notque, on 10/30/2007, -0/+14Kucinich did vote no.
- Wacer, on 10/30/2007, -0/+4Apparently they are dirtbags as well.
  - nicholai, on 10/30/2007, -0/+2Get more independents and libertarians in as many political positions as possible.
notque, on 10/30/2007, -2/+33Reading the Bill, they want to create a commission that reports on us. That will connect all parts of the government together to create a web that will watch us, and report on us.

"The development and implementation of methods and processes that can be utilized to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States is critical to combating domestic terrorism."

So we are the next Al Qaeda to fear.

This new committee they are making sounds very scary. Finally! An agency solely devoted to watching us, and using that same skill to make sure we aren't wrongfully put in Gitmo.

Oh wait.
Ferre1, on 10/30/2007, -0/+39Wake up and smell the fascism.
theytoldyouwhat, on 10/30/2007, -2/+36welcome to 1984
notque, on 11/07/2007, -0/+31We need to band together. All of us, regardless of political affiliation

Email news organizations. Here are some

countdown@msnbc.com
mail@democracynow.org

Reply and add more, we have to hit everyone. This must become news.
- geddon, on 10/30/2007, -0/+15Fantastic idea! Someone should write up a standard letter for people to copy+paste+send to the respective news agencies..
- notque, on 10/30/2007, -0/+15And set this as your favorite. and use the share button. We need to get this in the news, and in the open. Discussed. What are the ramifications. What does this mean for us? It's very important for all of us to get this out as best we can. No time to pussy foot around.
  - nicholai, on 10/30/2007, -0/+2The share button is a great idea and we really do need to dump both the democratic and republican parties.
- phnx0221, on 10/30/2007, -0/+18totn@npr.org, morning@npr.org, atc@npr.org, letters@latimes.com, fair@fair.org
  
  the last one is fair media a grassroots media org.
- phnx0221, on 10/30/2007, -0/+17ireport@cnn.com, netaudr@abc.com, evening@cbsnews.com, 60II@cbsnews.com, ftn@cbsnews.com, nightly@msnbc.com, today@nbc.com, msnbcreports@msnbc.com, letters@nytimes.com, nytnews@nytimes.com, editor@usatoday.com, wsj.ltrs@wsj.com, letters@newsweek.com, letters@washpost.com, letters@usnews.com, info@ap.org,
  - geddon, on 10/30/2007, -0/+6^^ I got a lot of bounces on that batch. ^^
    - phnx0221, on 10/30/2007, -0/+6Yeah me too. I got three, they were:
      60II@cbsnews.com, msnbcreports@msnbc.com, nightly@msnbc.com
      Were these these the ones that bounced for you too? Or were there others?
- phnx0221, on 10/30/2007, -0/+9We need more! The nation? Zmag? anyone have those or other addresses?
- notque, on 10/30/2007, -0/+14zmag@zmag.org
- phnx0221, on 10/30/2007, -0/+5http://www.thenation.com/contact/lett
  
  This link will bring you to a standard contact form. Just copy and paste your message into their box, and send it.
- spanknwo, on 10/30/2007, -0/+1The Nation seems stuck on stupid lately. Marc Cooper has called Hugo Chavez a dictator, and expect some of The Nation writers to talk up the advantages of attacking Iran. They seem to love the Democratic line up of Presidential candidates even though they all stink of elite connections. How can you trust Hillary when she has Ruppert Murdoch's support? Even Gingrich is warming to Hillary. Then you have Barrak Obaminable whose wife is a member of the CFR. Consider this. Pratt House is named after an oil executive who worked for one of the Standard Oil successor cos. David Rockefeller has his slimy hands on both sides of the chess board, when comes to politics. These guys are all owned by Rockefeller and company. BTW, Rick Perry had been invited to a Bilderberg Conference in Turkey. I think he has been tapped to replace Hillary. Hillary was tapped in 2006 at Ottawa's Bilderberg conference to succeed GW. We have lost control of our government.
phnx0221, on 11/07/2007, -0/+29Here is a copy of the letter I just sent, if anyone is interested in using it, or drawing upon it.

To Whom It May Concern
It has come to my attention, that The U.S. House of Representatives has recently passed HR 1955 titled the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007.

This act defines homegrown terrorism as: "(3) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM- The term homegrown terrorism’ means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives. "

This act also allows for a central organization to be created to monitor, detect, and report on suspicious "homegrown terrorist activity within the United States". The definition of such activity is vague, leaving room for the possibility of anyone seriously advocating social change, restoration of the constitution, and advocating the organization of protests to "coerce the United States government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof".

This Act is undermining, and threatening, the constitutional rights of U.S. citizens to organize in dissent of the Patriot Act, NSA surveillance, telecom immunity, social injustice, the War on Terror, or any other program that the citizenry feels is in violation of their inalienable rights as U.S. citizens.

We have had enough. Please report on this. The link to the Act, in full detail, is listed here:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill= ...

Please report on this. All U.S. citizens who are doing nothing but voicing their opinions against a government that has expanded their executive powers, bypassed our congressional check and balance, and has undermined our U.S. Judiciary System, are now at risk, by this new act, of being labeled and prosecuted as a terrorist.

Please help.

Sincerely,
- notque, on 10/30/2007, -0/+16Make sure if you use this to replace the link with the real link. Copy and paste it after you open it. I'm sending this off to as many places as I can.
- caferrell, on 10/28/2007, -0/+10Thanks a lot phnx0221, you saved us all a hassle.
  God bless you
natedouglas, on 10/30/2007, -0/+27According to the definition, I'm a homegrown terrorist because I will be doing my best to "intimidate" and "coerce" the government if we start bombing the ***** out of another country.

*intimidates the government with a Danza Slap*

Come get me, bitches. You think I fear prison? I'M MARRIED!
phnx0221, on 10/30/2007, -0/+18Here is a link to the list of Senators, and their contact information. It includes their Washington addresses, and their phone numbers:

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/ ...
- phnx0221, on 10/30/2007, -0/+8Make sure to contact Senator Chris Dodd as well. (202) 224-2823
  He has done a lot for us in regards to net neutrality, and continuing a filibuster to prevent telecom immunity.
  He'll be a great advocate for this, regardless of whether or not he is your representative.
Herostratus, on 10/30/2007, -1/+15Holy *****! OK, no one panic. Lets deal with this like rational adults...
TORCHES AND PITCHFORKS!!!
- geddon, on 10/30/2007, -0/+11Torches and pitchforks = planned / threatened use of force = homegrown terrorism.
  - Herostratus, on 10/30/2007, -0/+6Heh... ya dont say...
spaceman0, on 10/30/2007, -0/+17The only sane ones to vote NO:
Kucinich, Dennis [D]
Abercrombie, Neil [D]
Costello, Jerry [D]
Duncan, John [R]
Flake, Jeff [R]
Rohrabacher, Dana [R]
Interestingly Ron Paul did not vote.
- geddon, on 10/28/2007, -0/+9What was Ron Paul doing the day they decided to label him a Homegrown Terrorist?
  - notque, on 10/28/2007, -0/+9American Libertarians would be targeted quite quickly, i'm curious why he didn't vote.
  - amoirae, on 10/28/2007, -11/+3Ron Paul didn't vote because he fell asleep. His Geritol with a Viagra chaser(a.k.a. the Bonermaker) didn't kick in.
    
    He did dream he was in a three way with Martha Washington and Betsy Ross...
  - amoirae, on 10/28/2007, -7/+2Rather than finding out why their precious Ron Paul didn't vote, the pathetic Paulite populace is digging my snide joke down.
    
    Giving him a pass is pathetic. The Paulites just can't see that the old man they placed on a pedestal has feet of clay.
  - geddon, on 10/26/2007, -1/+9Ron Paul was in Concord, N.H. "joking about his physician's penmanship, [signing] papers ... to put his name on the New Hampshire primary ballot."
    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/10 ...
    - amoirae, on 10/26/2007, -2/+4Nice to know his priorities aren't actually on the people but on his candidacy.
  - Wacer, on 10/26/2007, -1/+3Doesn't matter, his vote would not have helped here.
conceptkid, on 10/30/2007, -1/+15Internet Soldiers, SALUTE!!
COMMENCE OPERATION; EMAIL FLOOD OF DEATH
OPEN FIRE!
Vinadetta, on 10/30/2007, -0/+13This country is going to hell in a hand basket quickly!!! When will this stop!! I still can't believe how many mindless drones are still walking around thinking nothing is wrong!!!!
- geddon, on 10/30/2007, -0/+10I've been talking with people about this all day. Most of the responses seem blank, as if they're really not interested in a political debate. Those who find it offensive are simply more disappointed with their Government than they were before. No call to action, no plans to respond. Just more apathy across the American landscape.
  - atheinostic, on 10/28/2007, -0/+7It can be easy for a lot of people who aren't interested in politics to shrug it off, when they don't understand the severity of the situation or the complex principles at play here (like the rule of law and separation of powers).
    
    Or, for people who are paying attention, when they realize what is going on they jump from disbelief straight to hopelessness; understandable when ***** like this happens.
    
    Its important for people to know that the slow decline of our democracy is real, its happening, it can have an effect on their lives, but the fight is far from over and there is plenty that we can do to stop it.
    
    Protesting, contacting legislators, writing letters to the editor, etc are things that everyone can do. They do have an effect, and the more people the bigger the effect. When enough of the people fight back, critical mass will be reached.
    - phnx0221, on 10/28/2007, -0/+5And the more people who post comments like this, the better.
Xuvious, on 10/30/2007, -0/+13You want to see who voted for this?

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h200 ...

I wish Paul would have been there. It shows as a No Vote for him.
- Xuvious, on 10/30/2007, -0/+13Only 6 NAY votes. WTF?
- MrXfromPlanetX, on 10/30/2007, -2/+1I know. He was out on the campaign trail. I don't know if they can vote with a absentee ballot.
geddon, on 10/30/2007, -0/+13Any Conservatives care to chime in on the debate? Apart from having an interest in "both" sides, I'd like to hear how someone could support such a bill.
- notque, on 10/30/2007, -0/+10Democrats and Republicans supported the bill. It's them against us. I would be mildly shocked if anyone here supported this bill.
  
  Okay not shocked. Just... Like seriously. :)
  - atheinostic, on 10/30/2007, -1/+8Don't worry, I'm sure JamesSpaza will soon grace this thread with his infinite wisdom, explaining how we're all tinfoil hat-wearing moonbats who need to chill out and trust the government to save us from Islamofascists while we prepare for the Raputre.
  - geddon, on 10/30/2007, -2/+3I'm a fan of Cornswalled myself. He's a celebrity on the Distorted View Podcast!
- natedouglas, on 10/30/2007, -0/+11No "good ol'-fashioned" conservative would support ***** like this.
  
  This isn't a "left vs. right" thing, as Notque pointed out.
  - DavyRockett, on 10/30/2007, -0/+8It's tyranny!!! Pure, plain and simple.
- MrXfromPlanetX, on 10/30/2007, -1/+7All these people are bought off whether they are Democrats or Republicans. It's called fascism.
  
  Instead of taking sides and basing liberals or bashing conservatives, we all need to come together on this.
  
  Please people. Instead of letting the extreme media divide people, lets all come together on one issue. Individual personal freedom and the Constitution. People have sat back and watched the world pass by for too long.
  
  Maybe we can post flyers all oveer the place. We have to ban together. I wish Ron Paul would have voted against this, but I'd believe he was out on the campaign trail.
  
  Still we can all join a meetup group and take to the streets ronpaul.meetup.com
DavyRockett, on 10/30/2007, -1/+4I think Ron Paul was on the campaign trial. It doesn't look like his NO vote would have mattered anyway.
- notque, on 10/26/2007, -0/+6I think this is a terrible outlook for such an important issue, but I don't think getting mad at Paul helps at all.
  Meh.
DavyRockett, on 10/28/2007, -0/+11We need to get this one Dugg to the top, this is a concern for every American and for Liberty.
Wacer, on 10/28/2007, -1/+6If this bill passes, everybody who types f*ck Bush on here from then on will be labeled a terrorist.

Write your Senators, they still have not voted for this in the Senate.
MrXfromPlanetX, on 10/31/2007, -1/+4All these people are bought off whether they are Democrats or Republicans. It's called fascism.

Instead of taking sides liberals vs. conservatives, we all need to come together on this.

Please people. Instead of letting the extreme media divide people, lets all come together on one issue. Individual personal freedom and the Constitution. People have sat back and watched the world pass by for too long.

Maybe we can post flyers all oveer the place. We have to ban together. I wish Ron Paul would have voted against this, but I'd believe he was out on the campaign trail.

Still we can all join a meetup groups and become active in our communities by joining a meetup group ronpaul.meetup.com

We need to start focusing on our local Senators and Congressman as well. We need to make sure none of the people who voted for this bill get re-elected.
phnx0221, on 10/28/2007, -0/+4After an unbelievably steady climb in diggs, and an incredibly productive thread, this particular submission somehow got buried today, and will not go popular. This has been resubmitted here: http://digg.com/political_opinion/Declaration_of_W ...

Please go there and digg, so we can get this up on the front page so people will know what happened today!
neko, on 10/28/2007, -0/+6doubleplus Dugg for thoughtcrime.
Wonder how many people will actually get the reference, though.
ninjaSteak, on 10/28/2007, -0/+3Where am I?
> IN THE VILAGE...!!!
What do you want?
> IN-FORMATION...!!!
Well you won't get it...
>Oh, we will...BY HOOK OR BY CROOK
ryan850, on 10/28/2007, -0/+3Anybody know who, besides Kuchinich, that didn't vote for this?
- phnx0221, on 10/28/2007, -0/+3Sadly, there were only six representatives who voted no on this. There was a comment earlier listing who voted no, I'll list copy it here for you.
  
  Spaceman0 wrote:
  "The only sane ones to vote NO:
  Kucinich, Dennis [D]
  Abercrombie, Neil [D]
  Costello, Jerry [D]
  Duncan, John [R]
  Flake, Jeff [R]
  Rohrabacher, Dana [R]
  Interestingly Ron Paul did not vote."
SeethisPass, on 10/27/2007, -0/+1A friend asked me what to expect on the day of 9,12,2001, I told him then that the government would blame the 9/11 attack on it's own people . They didn't let me down on that one now did they? It's all an elaborate grab of power .
x083, on 10/30/2007, -1/+1There was a really interesting interview I listened to on Jeff Rense's Radio show recently. (hes similar to alex jones, and reports on stuff the MSM doesn't want to report on. Anyways.. he was interviewing a man by the name of Benjamin Fulford, you can google the guy. He was talking about how Russia is now free for the first time since 1917.. and Putin kicked some of the Rockefellers lackeys out of Russia.. and that whole spy poisoning deal with Litenvenko, who was really an MI6 agent trying to recruit spys in russia.. Boris Berezinsky and all these others are trying to do what they did to America to Russia... control it but Russia is free.. Hopefully Putin and China can save us from the Rockefeller's, the Bush's, and the Rothschild's.. Voting in an elected leader who is not a bilderberger, or a council on foreign relation member seems hopeless....
remember, hillary clinton, barak obama, dick cheney, they are all council on foreign relations members.. its sick.. these people are destroying the world. but never the less i'm going to write ron pauls name in on the ballot even if hes not on there.. FREE THE REPUBLIC --- RON PAUL or SLAVERY 2008. END THE FEDERAL RESERVE!!!!!
- SeethisPass, on 10/30/2007, -0/+1Ron Paul just took a crap al of our faces by not being there for us when it counted. He's just another congress critter after all.
keyboardduder, on 10/30/2007, -1/+1Ive already reported you for spamming my shouts. Dont do it again, cause ill continue to report you.
SeethisPass, on 10/30/2007, -0/+1What the ***** RON PAUL?
- pawnzRus, on 11/01/2007, -0/+0What the ***** to anyone who voted yes to this? Clearly, they are the terrorist and we are the lambs for the slaughter.
fixedcoma, on 11/02/2007, -0/+1So much segregation causes all this *****! Good idea to split the country by having two or three different parties so when one wins the rest are pissed off! What backwards schmuck decided this, John adams or so? The country has been divided by this democracy for the past 240 years! We need change and we need it now! The structuring of this country needs to be readjusted so that everyone can be happy, not just this party or that party, they need to be combined and have two of each of the three parties so we can all be happy!
pagno, on 04/16/2008, -0/+1Just preparing for the wrath to come.
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