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- carterartist, on 09/18/2008, -15/+234But he has a straight talking express. He was tortured. He...oh I guess he lied, well one more way in which he is Just Like Bush.
- onyxcoltrane, on 09/18/2008, -11/+206From Factcheck.org: The McCain-Palin campaign has released a new ad that once again distorts Obama's tax plans.
1. The ad claims Obama will raise taxes on electricity. He hasn't proposed any such tax. Obama does support a cap-and-trade policy that would raise the costs of electricity, but so does McCain.
2. It falsely claims he would tax home heating oil. Actually, Obama proposed a rebate of up to $1,000 per family to defray increased heating oil costs, funded by what he calls a windfall profits tax on oil companies.
3. The ad claims that Obama will tax "life savings." In fact, he would increase capital gains and dividends taxes only for couples earning more than $250,000 per year, or singles making $200,000. For the rest, taxes on investments would remain unchanged. - voxlisa999, on 09/19/2008, -9/+145OK, you know you have officially crossed into pathological liar territory when Factcheck.org starts titling it's pieces on McCain ads: "There he goes again!" Unreal. I feel like I am in the Twilight Zone.
- AnitraWeb, on 09/19/2008, -11/+115Q: What is the difference between:
1) "Obama wants to raise taxes on oil companies, which will result in higher costs of home heating oil" and
2) "Obama wants to raise taxes on your home heating oil"
A: #1 is an honest opinion; #2 is a lie.
McCain's ad did not state an honest difference of opinion. It lied. - KiminCA, on 09/18/2008, -9/+98What else does "essentially a deregulator" like Senator McCain is have on which to campaign right now, but lies like these?
- inactive, on 09/19/2008, -7/+87Screw this, I can't be a Republican Anymore.
This is the last straw. I can no longer defend torture, corruption, lies, quagmire, bribery, incompetence, pedophilia and now vile, ruthless unethical campaign tactics?
Only an idiot would think that represents "family values". I can't vote for these people anymore. I don't know what happened to my party. - jericho4119, on 09/19/2008, -10/+82Listen: we - the American voting public - cannot complain about Republicans, or any politician, lying. If there is one lesson we have taught politicians it is that lying works.
If we want Republicans, or any politician, to stop lying then we need to show them that it doesn't work. If you do not like to hear all of these lies day in and day out, your mission is clear:
Elect Obama/Biden '08! - ScienceDoc, on 09/19/2008, -6/+67Count the lies....http://www.mccainpedia.org/index.php/Count_the_Lie ...
Remember when one lie was enough to end someone's candidacy? - jamesalfaro, on 09/19/2008, -4/+52McCain will knowingly lie on TV because the percentage of voters who will the see the updated information is relatively low, compared to the number of voters who only get the initial TV exposure. In other words, It will always work in his favor because most voters will just see the initial claim and assume its true without conducting any further research on the subject.
It should be the MSM's job to debunk any false information via those same channels of TV media, but they tread lightly because if they alienate some of their viewership it would cut into the profit margin. - chosenson, on 09/19/2008, -2/+4603, You are an even bigger liar than McCain. Now I understand why you are voting for him.
- sincerelysarah, on 09/19/2008, -1/+45Cite your source for that information - and it better not be a McCain ad....
Do your own homework before you share the answers. - sullivanst, on 09/19/2008, -2/+45McWorse
- ejkeebler, on 09/19/2008, -3/+42it would be nice if the debates started out like this:
Q: Senator McCain, Did you run an ad that claims Senator Obama called Sarah Palin a pig?
A: Yes
Q: Senator McCain, Did the man standing beside you call Sarah Palin a pig?
A: No
Q:Why did you run that ad?
A: ????
Q: Senator McCain, Did you say Sarah Palin "knows more about energy than anyone on the planet?"
A: Yes
Q: Senator McCain, Did you list being close to Russia as a qualification of Sarah Palin's foreign policy credentials?
A: Yes
Q: Senator McCain, How do either of these items qualify Sarah Palin's foreign policy experience?
A. ????
Q: Senator McCain, Did you say the fundamentals of our economy are strong on Monday?
A: Yes
Q: Senator McCain, Did you three hours later say that fundamentals of our economy are at great risk?
A: Yes
Q: Please explain how the fundamentals of our economy are strong and at great risk
A: ????
Just those 9 questions do I want the entire viewing audience to hear come out of his mouth, Basically I think he would come across as a liar who would do anything to get elected and knows very little about the economy, then maybe these polls would start making a bigger shift were they should be..... - Lazerz, on 09/19/2008, -4/+43Pretty soon he will outgrow the "Just Like Bush" mantra and become something more... something even more diabolical...
- BXRWXR, on 09/19/2008, -3/+41I smell BS alright.
- Macrophage, on 09/19/2008, -10/+48Old Republican Man Speaks with Forked Tongue !
PEACE
John - jericho4119, on 09/19/2008, -4/+42How about the Obama/Coburn act that brought the very openness and accountability on just where your tax dollars and mine are being spent? You know, that proposal that Sarah Palin made today, which was sponsored by Obama, cosponsored by Tom Coburn and signed into law by George Bush back in 2005? In his first year as a US Senator?
Or how about the Obama/Lugar act that added funds for tracking loose nuclear weapons from the former Soviet Union and making sure they were properly stored/disassembled? Again, sponsored by Obama, cosponsored by Lugar and signed into law by George Bush back in 2005?
Not sure where you did you research, as the record is posted for all to see on http://thomas.loc.gov/ - inactive, on 09/19/2008, -4/+40John McCain is a liar.
- jericho4119, on 09/19/2008, -2/+38There is no increase in the gasoline tax in the Obama plan. And as far as what the government "makes" with the gasoline tax, that is money used to build those little things we call roads. If you do not want roads, then sure - get rid of the gasoline tax.
Now, if you are talking about the windfall profits tax on oil companies, I would have to say that those little eight pennies add up to be the most profits in recorded history. And if those companies cannot take those profits and funnel them into developing energy solutions that do not send our treasure to the countries around the world that hate us - then they do not deserve to keep it. As you said: it is our money. Right now, we send it to the oil companies who send it to Saudi Arabia. I would rather send it to our own government and use it to develop energy platforms to make Saudi Arabia weep in their oil fields, as we have switched to electric cars powered by wind and solar.
The oil companies had decades to pioneer this research and they have done nothing with their eight cents but buy themselves memberships to Augusta. - dheaddy, on 09/19/2008, -4/+39McCain's response: "Ok, well maybe I did lie in that ad, but you're missing the point people: I was a POW for 5 years! Obama was not!"
- sharpfork, on 09/19/2008, -6/+40You are "sincerely" a right wing troll: http://digg.com/users/SkittlesUSA/history
- bitfreak, on 09/19/2008, -4/+38The John McCain of the past (who I liked) and the John McCain of 2008 are not the same. Even the woman who wrote a most positive and supportive book (Citizen McCain) about his credentials as a maverick has disavowed him fully.
He's a walking talking Judas, a complete embarrassment. Truth is only a means to an end now, if convenient; a punch line in the joke that is the McCain and Palin campaign.
He is now the OFFICIAL candidate for the people and party who brought us:
Watergate, the Trillion Dollar War, Blackwater, Karl Rove, Scooter Libby, Fannie Mae, The Mortgage Meltdown, No Bid Contract, Katrina, Harriet Miers, Abu Ghraib, Alberto Gonzalez, Halliburton, Body Armor, Guantanamo, Waterboarding, Axis of Evil, Shock and Awe, Mission Accomplished! Karl Rove, John Bolton, more soldiers coming home in flag draped boxes, Donald Rumsfeld, Sara AND Todd Palin, Troopergate, the Bridge to Nowhere, the Keating Five, and many other dead end ideas, crushing national debts,and foreign policy debaucles.
http://mccainslobbyists.com/ QED 'my friends.' - voxlisa999, on 09/19/2008, -1/+34His second bestselling book is NOT a memoir. It's a template for HOW TO RUN THE GOVERNMENT effectively so get your facts straight.
He wrote a letter to Sec Paulson warning of the sub-prime crisis 18 months ago.
http://obama.senate.gov/press/070322-obama_urges_b ...
Obama gave this speech outside that he wrote FIVE FULL days before Bush gave his first "Let's go to war speech" at the U of Cincinnati. He was a "lowly" IL state Senator at the time and HE KNEW MORE- he knew what those CROOKS were up to in the BUSH Admin, cooking up fake intelligence. Read it and he's sponsored tons of legislation and fought for important issues on Ethics reform, VETERANS RIGHTS AND HEALTH which McCain OPPOSES. Look it up. You don't need us to do it for you.
Remarks of Illinois State Sen. Barack Obama Against Going to War with Iraq
Chicago, Illinois – October 2, 2002
"I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances. The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil.
I don't oppose all wars. My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton's army. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil.
I don't oppose all wars. After September 11, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this administration's pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such tragedy from happening again.
I don't oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.
What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income, to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.
That's what I'm opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.
Now let me be clear: I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power.... The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.
But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors...and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.
I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences.
I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.
I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars. So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the president.
You want a fight, President Bush? Let's finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.
You want a fight, President Bush? Let's fight to make sure that...we vigorously enforce a nonproliferation treaty, and that former enemies and current allies like Russia safeguard and ultimately eliminate their stores of nuclear material, and that nations like Pakistan and India never use the terrible weapons already in their possession, and that the arms merchants in our own country stop feeding the countless wars that rage across the globe.
You want a fight, President Bush? Let's fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells.
You want a fight, President Bush? Let's fight to wean ourselves off Middle East oil through an energy policy that doesn't simply serve the interests of Exxon and Mobil.
Those are the battles that we need to fight. Those are the battles that we willingly join. The battles against ignorance and intolerance. Corruption and greed. Poverty and despair." - bkemper, on 09/19/2008, -0/+31Perhaps #1 is why Obama is also proposing "a rebate of up to $1,000 per family to defray increased heating oil costs" [from the article"]
- USArugula, on 09/19/2008, -1/+32"Do you think it is the oil companies' job to invest in alternative energy?"
It's every company's job to be forward-thinking. Do you think AT&T would still be around if they said, "***** it guys, let's just keep running with the telegraph thing"?
Forward-thinking companies avoid obsolescence. It is every company's responsibility to their investors to avoid obsolescence. - Dipsomaniac, on 09/19/2008, -3/+33"A tax on the oil company IS a tax on heating oil supplied by the company."
Um. Wrong. Completely wrong. One might even call that claim a lie. - sk11, on 09/19/2008, -3/+31You know things are really, really bad when Karl Rove, Chris Wallace and fox news are calling out a republican presidential nominee on lying too much, especially when this close to an election.
- inactive, on 09/19/2008, -4/+32How come you rightard liars never offer proof of your retarded claims?
Oh, right. Because you are lying.
There's still time to enlist, rightard cheerleader. - delrin500, on 09/19/2008, -4/+32God this guy is soo full of *****. How can anyone with a brain in their head actually want to vote for this jackass?
- jericho4119, on 09/19/2008, -1/+28What tax on gas? There is no proposal from the Obama campaign for a tax on gas.
What tax on "basic things"? I have never heard of a law so vague. I am sure it would be unconstitutional. I am sure that a constitutional law professor would know that such a vague law would be unconstitutional.
You know, not everyone was a journalism major across six different colleges or finished so close to the bottom of their class that the remaining students could be counted on the fingers of one hand.
Are we doomed to elect the poorest students to our highest offices? Who thinks that is a good idea? - chucknut, on 09/19/2008, -2/+28 How about this from FactCheck.org. They were analyzing Palin's acceptance speech for accuracy:
Palin disparaged Obama’s legislative record, both in Illinois and in Washington:
Palin: But listening to him speak, it’s easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or even a reform, not even in the state Senate.
Of course, we can’t say what Palin considers “major.” But if Palin’s own ethics reforms in Alaska were important enough to highlight in her convention address, then it’s only fair to credit Obama’s efforts on that topic. In 1998 in the Illinois Senate, Obama cosponsored an ethics overhaul that bars elected officials from using their campaign funds for personal use and and was called the the first major overhaul of Illinois campaign and ethics laws in 25 years. It also bans fundraisers in the state Capitol during legislative sessions. Obama’s Republican cosponsor Kirk Dillard even appeared in an Obama ad last summer describing Obama’s skills working with members of both parties to get legislation passed.
In Washington, Obama was instrumental in helping to craft the 2007 ethics reform law that ended gifts and meals from lobbyists, cut off subsidized jet travel for members of Congress, required lobbyists to disclose contributions they “bundle” to candidates, and put the brakes on other, similar common practices.
In addition, we already noted in a recent article Obama’s efforts with Republican senators to help detect and secure weapons of mass destruction and to destroy conventional weapons stockpiles around the world, and to create a publicly searchable database on federal spending. - jakereilly, on 09/19/2008, -1/+26Eat paint chips when you were little?
- beyondu, on 09/19/2008, -2/+26Yeah politicians lie, but isn't John McCain suppose to be a maverick, and not do the same stuff other politicians do? Apparently John McCain has 0 integrity left, otherwise he wouldn't be so blatantly lying about his rival, and trying to suck in all the ignorant voters out there.
- richirwin, on 09/19/2008, -4/+27STOP THE LIES!
John McCain - Dishonorable. - RudeTurnip, on 09/19/2008, -1/+24The estate tax only affects the super wealthy; the first several million of an estate are exempt..and it is NOT a tax on savings; it is basically a capital gains tax, which actually increases the cost basis to the beneficiaries.
- LinuxLars, on 09/19/2008, -1/+23Chill on "the death tax". If your estate is worth more than - what is it now - a million? - there is no estate tax. If I inherit an estate worth 50 million, and do nothing for it, why not pay taxes? Think about it....
- acegi, on 09/19/2008, -0/+22Mccain is counting on this one human tendancy:
if you slam lies in their ear enough, they'll believe it. - medfreak, on 09/19/2008, -2/+24"And that's how we see this election, country first or Obama first..."
A vote for BHO is now unAmerican? How dare he? HOW DARE HE? He's not going to "noun verb POW" his way to the White House. And he won't get there by selecting incompetents like SP. And he won't get there by pretending he's for regulation after being against it for 26 years. - tonberryqueen, on 09/19/2008, -6/+27I used to respect McCain. I used to think he had real integrity.
He doesn't even act like a real Republican anymore.
He has long since lost all credibility. - sullivanst, on 09/19/2008, -2/+23Why not? We've got a socialist in office right now, he's busy nationalizing the finance industry.
- bitfreak, on 09/19/2008, -0/+20Dugg for "Only an idiot would think that represents "family values". I can't vote for these people anymore. I don't know what happened to my party."
Amen to that. - bitfreak, on 09/19/2008, -0/+20@ USArugala: "Do you think AT&T would still be around if they said, "***** it guys, let's just keep running with the telegraph thing"?" ROFL...awesome and true.
@ Skittles: 8 cents a gallon? Ok, so Exxon posted a a Q3 profit (PROFIT) of $11.6B. $11.6B / .08 (profit, as you said) means Exxon alone sold 145 Billion gallons of fuel? Hmm. Let's look a little closer. Shall we?
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/eng99/eng992 ... indicates there are 42 gallons of oil in a barrel, which when refined, gives us roughly 19.5 gallons of gas when refined. This means that to get 145B gallons of refined fuel, we'd need roughly 290 billion gallons of unrefined fuel, or 6.9B barrels.
Market Research (the company) says the domestic US oil consumption is estimated at 20.86 mn barrels per day in 2008. For the quarter, this would be 1.8 Billion barrels COMBINED, not juts Exxon mobile. However, at $.08 cents/gallon profit, Exxon alone would had to have had processed 6.9B barrels., 3x the total consumed by the whole country.
What's your math based on? They are making a ***** more than $.08 barrel to get to $11.6B in profits for ONE QUARTER. - sevvo, on 09/19/2008, -2/+21Good--so you are voting for Obama?
- Kohaxx, on 09/19/2008, -0/+19Because it's basically saying:
1) I'm going to punch that guy over there, and he might punch you.
2) I'm going to punch you.
1 is a prediction
2 is a statement
Corporate taxes and regulation don't necessarily mean higher cost to the consumer, if it actually worked that way the Reaganomics of deregulation and corporate tax breaks should have made the economy stronger. Instead they became too comfortable and had the foundation knocked out underneath them. - blackinthmiddle, on 09/19/2008, -0/+18@rogue780
Right, because it takes BRAINS to vote for the man who voted for deregulation in the financial services industry. It takes brains to vote for a liar. It takes brains to vote for a man who will HAPPILY tell you that he's an idiot. It take brains to vote for the man who's been bought out by lobbyists.
You're part of the cancer that's making this country do a slow burn! - inactive, on 09/19/2008, -2/+19Yawn.
Gee, a rightard liar who is lying and can't back it up.
You are pathetic. Yeah, I've seen your blog.
What an ignorant warmongering coward you are. - bkemper, on 09/19/2008, -1/+18Anyone who says Obama & McCain are alike is a complete fool, blathering on with his fingers in his ears, so that he doesn't have to learn the truth.
- sharpfork, on 09/19/2008, -3/+20Looking at your previous comments, it is obvious you are not "sincerely wondering" about Obama. You have made up your mind and like the GOP in power, you are trying to hide your stripes.
False debate built on a platform of Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. - rz8472, on 09/19/2008, -0/+17If you look at Factcheck.org's front page, over 80% of it is dedicated to debunking McCain's lies and distortions, not because it's in the tank for Obama but simply because McCain is running the worst campaign in recent history. And while Obama may stretch the truth once in a while, McCain simply ignores it constantly.
- pfleischman, on 09/19/2008, -2/+18Capital gains taxes ONLY hurt people who take money out of the free market. By the way in 1999 out of 7,128,923 returns with short-term corporate stocks, people who made more than $200,000 had $64,350,798,000 out of a total of $104,483,502,000, but EVERYBODY who made less than $200,000, which I'm assuming almost everybody on this board does, took in $40,132,704,000. Why cant people understand this!! Uggg, why do they protecting a tiny group of people who. Source, http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/99in02ab.xls.
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