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- buss, on 10/12/2007, -9/+51Speaking as the athiest son of two devout catholics, they think birth control is the same thing as abortion. So to them any form of contraceptives other than condoms is the same as murder.
My parents are crazy. - cdstewart, on 10/12/2007, -5/+41@cerebus2
True, but does that sound like a realistic solution to overpopulation? It sounds like your proposing a solution where the majority of people will voluntarily chose not to have sex for the good of mankind. This solution is just a little too altruistic to be useful. - Krush, on 10/12/2007, -21/+57How about not being a slave to the "big guy in the sky", and not trying to force everyone into your cult.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -13/+48I agree, opposition to contraception among right-wingers is goofy and often based on religious superstition. I don't know if it's based so much on fear of women as this article argues as it is simply the fear that promoting contraception will encourage premarital sex. However, humans are animals and they have sex. It's like trying to stop them from breathing.
- helix400, on 10/12/2007, -7/+40Exactly. It seems that there are so many irrational people in this world. They almost always tend to consist of those who disagree with me. Dugg!
- Aidenag, on 10/12/2007, -11/+43No rational person is definatly right.... i dont even want to think about how many ankle biters i would have if it wasnt for the greatness of birth control...
Without birth control we are going to do in time what all large species on this planet do, Run out of space and have MASS die-offs wich really wouldnt be too fun, even for the people who survive... - buss, on 10/12/2007, -5/+31Scientologists are also allowed to be ***** nuts. But then, that goes for every religion...
- M2Ys4U, on 10/12/2007, -1/+26I don't know about you, but condoms not only prevent pregnancy, but also stop the transmission of STDs. That can only be a Good Thing™
- OrangeTide, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25Some people are against vaccinations for children too. Basically there are a lot of weirdos out there, and by looking at the representives we have in office, the crackpots vote a lot more often than we do.
- merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22If people want to make rules for themselves, who are you to stop them?
What's next? "Only irrational people don't eat pork"?
I don't care what the ***** people do in the privacy of their own homes and churches, as long as they only apply it to themselves. - diggduggjoe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18I am married and enjoy great sex with my wife. Why must we pay for it with a dozen kids or more?
- friend18, on 10/12/2007, -8/+25Every sperm is sacred. Monty Python :)
- eklipsse, on 10/12/2007, -5/+22@cerebus2 If we would "be slaves to animal desire", we would actually be much better as far as overpopulation goes, as to my knowledge, animals don't have sex for fun or that often for that matter.
Abstinence is not a solution; abstinence will only trigger a new wave of angry, deranged people. Sexually frustrated people end up going awry regardless.
A proper sexual education and the use of contraception would benefit us much more. - infra172, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19Rapists don't use condoms to prevent pregnancy. They use them to prevent leaving their DNA. Not exactly an argument for contraception.
- AnteChronos, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20"Yeah you forget that Catholics, such as myself, also find condoms offensive."
So? Is everyone now required never to offend another person? Give me a break.
"Why do you need to stop the creation of life? To better suit your needs?"
Pretty much, yeah. Is that a problem? Am I not allowed to decide what to do with my own spermatozoa?
"The easiest way to not have children is to not have sex unless you want them."
True, but what if I'm willing to take the minuscule risk of causing a pregnancy while using contraceptives as a fair trade-off for the enjoyment of having sex? - simeonb, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21I think birth control is something to prevent people from making a choice about abortion.
- CaseyUCF, on 10/12/2007, -10/+25religious right bulls***
- XorSystem, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16I am also a Catholic. I go to daily mass, I participate in almost every project that our parish puts together, and yet I am for contraception.
Don't think that because the Pope and the leadership of the church says something, that you have to go along with it. I respect the church and its leaders, but I'm also my own person. God gave me a brain to think with, and by denying that is an insult to the faith that we, Catholics, adhere to.
Contraception is useful for those who want to express physicality with their partners, without worrying about children. Honestly, it is better to wear a condom, than it is to have a housefull of unwanted children. - thiver, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18"What rational person could oppose using birth control to prevent pregnancy?"
Religious fundamentalists are not rational people. - brandizzle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14The victims don't exactly have a choice in what the rapist does.
However if a couple chooses not to use a condom or other form of birth control then good for them. They have the right to believe whatever the ***** they want. The second they try to shove their beliefs on the rest of the world they deserve to be shot.
I'll respect you as long as you respect me. - epinoy, on 10/12/2007, -8/+20I think they're ignoring the fact that people have sex for fun. Not every sexual encounter is to have children (a la rape, etc). Hrmm, idiots.
- andyhavens, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13@eklipsse: Actually, animals have all kinds of sex for fun. But most animals are on much more limited estrus cycles than humans; i.e., they only get pregnant during very specific times of the year, or when specific mating chemistry occurs. Depends on the species, of course. Most primates, though, are sex fiends. Naughty monkeys... There are frogs, too, that will hump anything. Rocks, dirt, air, thoughts of air... many nasty frogs out there.
- Daedalus81, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17"Yeah you forget that Catholics, such as myself, also find condoms offensive. Why do you need to stop the creation of life? To better suit your needs? The easiest way to not have children is to not have sex unless you want them. Also I'm from a family of 12."
Ok so your mom wanted kids 12 times? Did you ask her if she really wanted those kids or was she being dutiful to her husband? Your case illustrates that humans are going to have sex. They are going to do it frequently and without contraception you wind up with a planet that doesn't have the resources to support them all. - DangerStevens, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13whoah, that's quite an attack on a group you call 'right-wingers' there. First off, the Catholic church is anti-contraception and American Catholics are strongly liberal. Also, though you may disagree with them and you may think their methodology is totally nuts, their goal is to keep people alive.
That's something that should be praised. - MrPeach, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10timmclargehuge,
And the right's declare war on whatever they don't like.
Abortion is not a left or right issue, it's a human one. - jchri09, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12I come from a christain family too. I have 9 brothers and 2 sisters.
My mom had no say in the matter. My dad did what he pleased until they finally got divorced.
We struggled our whole life growing up. Don't get me wrong I love my brothers and sisters. - irishfreakout, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16No Digg.
This takes the "men are to blame for oppressing women" stance. Saying that encouraging abstinence is a male prerogative is ludicrous. Just think of your experiences... isn%u2019t it normally the man pushing for sex? Women normally have much more to lose in sex (pregnancy, more susceptible to STDs, and possibility of earning a bad reputation as a %u2018slut%u2019). I know of many more female proponents of %u201Cwaiting for marriage%u201D or %u201Climiting your sexual partners%u201D.
I have no moral qualms with sex, but I do think our society can benefit from encouraging women to take more ownership of their own bodies. Although %u201Cabstinence%u201D is framed as religious propaganda, it also puts forth the message that women can choose what to do with their body. Simply giving girls condoms often gives the message: %u201Csure, give into what your boyfriend wants%u201D. Empowering women is NOT limiting their sexual freedom. - staceyeileen, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I'm not so sure the war on contraception is as much anti-woman as it is simply anti-sex, period. The anti-sex agenda is the basis of the majority of the issues the religious right seems to care about, including their old stand-bys of abortion and abstinence-only sex education. Even more disturbing are the recent misleading attacks on FDA approval of Plan B and discouraging HPV vaccinations for young girls. Who in their right mind would be pro-cancer? The religious right.
- JohnboiWaltune, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10@mc7winkie
"Yeah you forget that Catholics, such as myself, also find condoms offensive."
So don't use them. Why do your religious beliefs have anything to do with me?
"Why do you need to stop the creation of life? To better suit your needs?"
Yes, now you're getting it.
"The easiest way to not have children is to not have sex unless you want them."
Wrong, that is actually the most difficult way.
"Also I'm from a family of 12."
I hope the other 11 aren't as stupid as you. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@otherland
Ah ha, so you claim sex is immoral. Oh what grounds? Because "God said so?" What if I don't believe in your god? What if I don't think that God would have a problem with sex? By that logic, I could claim that my god says that eating chocolate ice cream is a sin, doubly so if it's with a slice of birthday cake, and begin a campaign to abolish chocolate ice cream. Sorry, you're going to have to do better than that if you're going to justify why it's so damn wrong. - Protonz, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14@timmclargehuge
Silenced? You are mistaken. we can still hear you. The great thing about digg is nobody takes away your freedom to ramble on, but we have the freedom to ignore you.
I know the concept of freedom can be confusing for your type (I couldn't resist feeding the troll :) ). - cdstewart, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@infra172
Are you suggesting that rape victims would prefer that the rapist not use a condom? I'm sure getting some STD or pregnant is probably a factor - m0laria, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8By that line of logic, me reading this article instead of impregnating someone is preventing babies from being born. Every word you type is a murder. I'll see you in hell.
- skiboy352001, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Rape is not a sexual encounter. Rape is an act of violence where the genitals are used as a weapon. There is a world of difference.
- KiSA, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Of course, having children that parents have the money/time ect to take care of is such a horrible thing!
Lets make every pregnant woman have as many kids as she doesn't want. Then she can never take care of, spend time with, or do anything meaningful with them and she can let the streets bring them up! That's a great idea. That's what america needs, a huge influx of neglected children. - Daedalus2067, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Religions around the world have taken certain passages of texts out of context and turned this to mean "use no contraception." This works well to encourage guilt to accompany what is otherwise a very pleasurable act (useful when you need people to want you to intercede on their behalf, thus justifying the tithe needed to support the Clergy during its early days). It also works well to "be fruitful, multiply, and fill the earth" - essentially the practice of trying to out breed the other religions. So far, it looks to be working well in many parts of the earth.
- aliengoods, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@otherland
By your logic, I can say "don't use my taxpayer money for defense" because I oppose the Iraq war. The problem with that logic is it would obliterate government if it were applied.
The purpose of government (ideally) is to better the lives of its citizens and further the advancement of society. People having children when they are unprepared (both single and married) has a quantitative, detrimental effect on society. Therefore, the government should address the problem. When you ostriches address the problem things only get worse. We've tried ignorance, but history has shown education is the only way to solve social problems. This is true for birth control/contraception, the same as it was for AIDS (not solved, but no where near as bad as it could have been). So if you agree with it or not is missing the point. The point is it will lead to a better society. And if you think your children aren't having sex, so do most parents of teenagers until they hear they're going to be grandparents.
Oh, and in case you missed it, I called you an ostrich because you seem to prefer sticking your head....in the sand. - monkeybutler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6The problem is the type of people that are reproducing. Intelligent, cautious, successful people are creating families they can manage and support. But where things are completely backward is that the people who are reproducing most are the WRONG people. People who can't support a family of 2, people still in school, people living off the government, people reproducing just to have an excuse to illegally be here.
Its too bad that birth control wasn't reversed. People should be sterile at birth and can only reproduce if deemed capable because the way it works now then its way too easy to bring another unwanted kid into the world. - gregcotten, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I did - that's why I dugg it.
- starmanjones, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7>manifested in the free will not to be a slave to animal desire
what the ***** does this mean? i always resist the desire to slap the ***** out of the next person who bases anything on religion. doesn't mean they don't deserve it.
did you know that the profile of a typical pedophile is super religious. conservative. authoritarian.
i guess you'all have a lot of odd things to resist. no wonder you are obsessed with such things. - harrisbradley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4An equally important question, is why abstinence would 'trigger a new wave of angry, deranged people'? and, can one be certain these wouldn't be one of the groups who are invovled in the 'mass die-off' as it was put. Of course I'm a catholic father of 4, so it's easy for me to be biased. Just for the record, the way I understand my religion, is 'if I force my beliefs upon anyone, that would defeat my (religion's) ultimate purpose.) But this is just the way I see it, and judging from the other posts, not everybody in my group sees eye-to-eye. But I still think my questions are valid.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6If heaven is full of wackos like these, I welcome eternal damnation. Hell can't possibly be any worse than spending an eternity with these nutjobs.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Hoping that people who don't want babies stop making them in the first place isn't enough. People have sex, and it's natural instinct. It'll happen, even in religious communites; so at least let them have a tool to fix the situation that society frowns upon.
- aliengoods, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Wait! Can I now say to a woman "If you don't sleep with me you're a murder, because you're trying to prevent life"?
- allthewhile, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Okay, I'm sorry but this is making me sick. For as much as I constantly hear about the idiocy of religious belief, it is making me crazy how wrong and idiotic so many diggsters are. I'll attempt to make this as clear as possible.
1. Masturbation is not a sin because it wastes sperm or sperm dies. It is considered a sin because sexuality was meant to take place within marriage. You don't have to agree with this but at least understand what we're saying. Think of it this way. If I were to tell you that murder by gun were wrong because it was such an obvious waste of a bullet that might be used for something worthwhile. Having sex intercourse itself does not garantee "unwasted" sperm.
2. The catholic church does not view sex as evil. It does not view pleasure as evil. It views certain types of sexual acts as sinful and certain types of pleasure as sinful. Sex and pleasure come from god and can be perverted just like anything else can. In fact, I believe that god has created sex FOR the pleasure of man and woman. But, because the pleasure of sex is so powerful, and the union between two people who are giving themselves in love to on another so great, that we need the protection of marriage. In short, "wild sex orgies" my allow for momentary physical pleasure, but in the end, do not bring us happiness. One only has to look at the level of alchohol and drug abuse that is LITERALLY hand in hand with the pornography industry, in order to see a hint of this truth. - irishfreakout, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@jeeeeves
I agree with that. However, the author can make that point WITHOUT blaming the "male establishment".
Like this: "Birth control frees women to forge their own paths by separating sex from procreation. This strikes fear into those who, underneath it all, oppose the increased social power women attain from expanded equality and justice. "
There is little evidence that the author gives any weight to abstinance program. Instead, she spins it like its some kind of conspiracy theory. - tehgooch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Obliterating the government sounds like a nice start :)
- aliengoods, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Stop sprouting crap about the effectiveness of birth control.
http://www.avert.org/condoms.htm
"In the United States, most studies of breakage caused by fault in the condom itself have shown breakage rate is less than 2 condoms out of every 100 condoms. Studies also indicate that condoms slip off the penis in about 1-5% of acts of vaginal intercourse and slip down (but not off) about 3-13% of the time."
And that was taken from CDC (1999) 'Condoms and their use in preventing HIV infection and other STDs', September.
Now how many people have been in a car accident? I thought a bunch of you would raise your hands. Driving is more dangerous than *****. End of story.
And where did the supporting 3X people come from? Are you planning on marraige. Don't compound one mistake with another. Now I'm off to masturbate. - davidkain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It seems relevant to point out here that not all religion is ignorant, nor all science bound by the rules of common sense.
Ragnar0k, while I am a staunch supporter of birth control, and an Agnostic, I feel that using science to create a Rube Goldbergian analysis of religion's take on birth control to be a bit over-the-top, and counterproductive to your point.
Unless, of course, you were being sarcastic. I can never really tell when it's in writing ;)
That being said... Birth control is good. Blind faith is bad. Science, oddly enough like religion, is only good when it is used with a solid dose of humanity and common sense. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@otherland
You just don't get it, do you? Teens are gonna be having sex, no matter what the hell you say. There is nothing you can do about it, save maybe a little education to prevent negative consequences when (not if) they DO have sex. Then again, maybe you see those consequences as an appropriate punishment, in which case, I must ask, since when is it your job to judge other peoples' actions? -
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