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- MattNF, on 04/28/2008, -30/+155Blame Canada!
- TubeDigger, on 04/28/2008, -11/+114USA Please stay on your side of the 49th we know Harper is a *****. We gave him a chance and he is not going to pan out for a 2nd term. Team Clinton/USA no doubt put pressure on CAN for a simple mistake. Of course we can admit when a mistake is made and we want to correct it and look for the injured parties to find a solution, unfortunately the solution (possibly provided by the USA) was to equally damage the opponent/colleague so both were stained with Clinton's words and no one has the advantage. CBC isn't Faux News. We will be more mindful of sensitive facts while neighbouring political actors are in theater.
- DeathRay2K, on 04/28/2008, -1/+63Untold? This was all over the news in Canada...
- smotpoker, on 04/28/2008, -21/+69This kind of convoluted story, the direct result intentional deception and ambiguity, is the precise reason why so many people shy away from politics and cannot learn to properly determine a clear course of action to follow or the proper people to lead them down it.
Props to TocqueDeville for helping to provide some clarity on a story that goes unreported not only because politicians don't want it to be but also because the MSM would have to admit how badly *they* helped in screwing those primaries (intentionally or no). - NonLeftistDiggr, on 04/28/2008, -19/+61Obama wants to "re-negotiate" NAFTA, whatever that actually means who knows because he doesn't give us details. Canada doesn't. End of story. They have interests too. Does Canada owe Obama because diggers and Daily Kos love him?
- GhostyBoy, on 04/28/2008, -4/+46Yeah, sorry about that. Our government is like half-retarded or something.
- dinot, on 04/28/2008, -1/+40Woah! It looks like you threw some words in a blender, drank it, then barfed all that into a comment.
- Kicker01, on 04/28/2008, -3/+41I think the CBC reported it correctly in the first place. They also picked up on how CTV shifted focus towards Obama in the following article as well, as some insight into the investigation.
http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2008/03/06/memo-leak ... - MatCon5, on 04/28/2008, -10/+45Actually, I'd blame America.
- daizaru, on 04/28/2008, -3/+35It was news in Canada and we all hate Harper as much as most people hate Bush. He's on his way out.
- IggyPop, on 04/28/2008, -3/+31Harper does not represent ALL Canadians.
- max420, on 04/28/2008, -3/+24***** Harper.
- paintpro, on 04/28/2008, -3/+24I'm not even going to read the story. I just clicked through to digg whoever said this first.
- mrhedges, on 04/28/2008, -2/+21This is hilarious, mainly because I'm Canadian, and I'm 100% positive that anything Harper throws at Obama won't do *****.
- brokenspatula, on 04/28/2008, -20/+38DAILYKOS LOLOLOLOL
- inactive, on 04/28/2008, -6/+24Canada produces more oil right now than Iraq does,, I suppose Hillary and Obama wants them to start putting protectionist duties on each barrel,,, NICE!
- smacksaw, on 04/28/2008, -6/+24First, we have to start with Belinda Stronach:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belinda_Stronach
For those of you who don't know, her "relationship" with Bill Clinton is about as big of a secret as Jodie Foster, Ellen DeGeneres and Elton John all being gay. When it got closer to Hillary making a run at the presidency, she reeled Bill in. It's highly unlikely they are simply just friends.
If you want to know why the Clintons have that sort of power to reverse something like that, it's not just NAFTA. It's that she dated Peter MacKay. This whole thing is scandalous. She was a Conservative - he is. He's next in line to take over the party. They break up in what is a massive embarassment for the party and...she switches sides. To the Liberals! And guess what? She's right at the forefront of the party leadership. Her defection took a lot of party secrets and strategies and made the Conservatives grip on power even more difficult. Losing her is a big deal.
So in a way, the Clintons have everyone by the balls. Hillary has the Liberals by the balls because she can expose Bill and Belinda. No one in the opposition is going to start a formal inquest into this. The Liberals are reeling from the Sponsorship Scandal. She also has the Conservatives by both testicles. The left testicle is NAFTA and the right is MacKay's future leadership and the fact that he brings the Alliance into accord with Harper's PCs to form the Conservatives. Without MacKay, there is no Conservative party. If the Clintons squeeze the right testicle, they humiliate MacKay and undermine him for his poor judgement in trusting Stronach and probably knowing of her involvement with Clinton.
So everything in that article is accurate, but if you really believe the Clintons to be sleaze, imagine for a moment they might have actually put Bill into an immoral affair with a leading Canadian MP to undermine Canadian politics. People may say "Oh, these NAFTA comments are interfering in US affairs, the Canadians should not do that"...but what do you call it when the former President of the USA whose wife is a sitting Senator has a questionable relationship with a woman linked to the 2nd most powerful politician in Canada? And then she defects, nearly spilts her old party in half and changes the fragile balance of power of the Conservatives minority gov't?
I would not put it past them. - cordillera, on 04/28/2008, -7/+24I think I speak for a lot of Canadians when I say:
Barack Obama ***** rules! And we're sorry for the dumb politicians.. - mrmount, on 04/28/2008, -4/+20Not surpsising given the fact that Harper is a Bush poodle! That guy gives weird vibes at times!
- archiesteel, on 04/28/2008, -2/+18Yeah, right, you mean the part you tried to take but couldn't (before you realized it was really, really cold and that you didn't really want it that much).
- TheBuzzKiller, on 04/28/2008, -1/+17southpark dude ... chill
it's the only thing most US Americans know about us. - Intangible360, on 04/29/2008, -2/+17If you hate Harper as much as Bush you're an idiot, I mean I hate Harper but I loathe Bush.
- shodanx, on 04/29/2008, -5/+20I am Canadian and I approve this message
Harper you're out next elections - daizaru, on 04/28/2008, -1/+15Untold in the US I believe is the point. Canada is well aware.
- ultraJesus, on 04/28/2008, -1/+15You've uncovered our fiendish plot!
- kanuk20, on 04/28/2008, -1/+14Um, no it isn't. CBC is owned by the people, CTV is owned by CTV Globe Media, and Global is owned by CanWest. All these companies are Canadian owned. I don't know where you got that information, but obvious you don't do any research. In fact, the largest news corporation in the world is Canadian owned (Thomson Reuters).
- Rocco03, on 04/28/2008, -3/+16We must blame them and cause a fuss
Before somebody thinks of blaming us! - londubh, on 04/29/2008, -1/+14That's OK. Our president is three quarters retarded.
- supermanKD, on 04/28/2008, -0/+13There are lies that keep things in good standing and there are lies that decieve millions and take away important liberties. I say ***** those who lie and harm
- inactive, on 04/28/2008, -15/+28At least you remembered to make a stupid ***** comment and get dug down! That's something.
- oderdigg, on 04/28/2008, -3/+15"we" being people like me, don't lie.
- MikeyMoose, on 01/30/2009, -3/+15Helooooooo? Where the F have you been (USA)?! This is *old* news in Canada. The story broke more than two months ago here.
There is no damn conspiracy - just inept politicians... now *that's* a scoop! - ileftfark, on 04/28/2008, -6/+16"But the fact that this information emerged from the Canadian embassy, albeit indirectly, violated the most fundamental canons of diplomatic confidentiality... Suddenly, the story was no longer about how Ian Brodie had revealed that the Clinton campaign made private assurances to the Canadian embassy to take her NAFTA rhetoric with a grain of salt, but how it was actually the Obama campaign that did."
That makes no sense at all. The Canadian Gov. didn't want it to seem like information could be easily leaked from their embassy. So instead of covering up the alleged Clinton situation (which would have made sense if they wanted no information leaked), they turned around and admitted leaked information about Obama? Non. Sequitur.
This theory is so full of holes and contradictions to give it any real credence. I like a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, but there was no identified motivation in this tangled story. Also, this is exactly the kind of distraction Obama himself speaks about- dwelling on a possible cover-up on he-said she-said affair instead of focusing on the issues is only going to hurt him in the long run. - Jhiaxuz, on 04/28/2008, -0/+10Yeah normally these things get called out on by the CBC News // Fifth Estate within a short amount of time and it gets blasted around in parliament for ages.
- inactive, on 04/28/2008, -5/+15Another hardly polished turd from dailykos, what a shock!
- smotpoker, on 04/28/2008, -3/+12How exactly do you know how many Americans knew about it? It was certainly on all of the cable news channels the day before and the day of those primaries. How much do you want to bet a large chunk of bluecollar people spread ***** by word of mouth pretty quick and learn half of what they know about a given candidate within a couple of days of casting their votes?
Furthermore I never heard a retraction from any of the channels that were reporting it and only a few vague mentions of Clinton *after* those primaries. There is no telling how many people still think Obama was the one being shady/two-faced because of all of those reports - PistolFred, on 04/29/2008, -0/+9Just a clarification. CTV misreported. Not CBC.
- Kicker01, on 04/28/2008, -2/+11:( Link isn't working. Feel free to bury.
http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2008/03/06/memo-leak ... - AustinMandi, on 04/28/2008, -1/+9I thought it was face :(
- inactive, on 04/28/2008, -1/+9You won another digg down! Enjoy!
- dig1x, on 04/28/2008, -3/+11Free Trade with places like China and India are causing economic problems for the USA, not NAFTA.
I dont support "free trade" -- I support "fair trade", and if shutting down NAFTA unsettles the WTO's BS then great. - supermanKD, on 04/28/2008, -4/+12freedomkeeper: dumbass
- Alexcarrier, on 04/28/2008, -2/+9Why would anyone blame NAFTA for job losses in the first place? Those jobs you're losing are clearly going to China, the same goes here. Also, the treaty itself helps you much more. Sure Canada gets access to the oh-so-great american market, but in return we owe you all our natural ressources. That means we actually have to feed you oil and natural gas before we can even serve ourselves. Oh and the US doesn't even respect its part of the deal, take softwood lumber for example. Canada's producers were forced to pay high duties for years, it was declared illegal by a NAFTA committee and yet it continued long enough to trash the whole industry. So go on, quit NAFTA, and you'll end up paying alot more to fill up your SUVs.
- bredren, on 04/29/2008, -0/+7I'm Canadian and can confirm our prime minister Stephen Harper is a complete ***** and strong supporter of George W Bush. Unfortunately our opposition leaders are also ***** but for other reasons.
We need another Trudeau or an Obama! - kingcam, on 04/29/2008, -1/+8More like you tried to take it but we - and I realize it was still technically Britain at this point but there was still a large amount militia and native troops - kicked your ass so hard at Detroit and Queenston in 1812 that your country failed to capture any territory in BNA even though you were 10x the size. I don't care what the apologists say, if your main objective is to conquer a nation and you fail you lose the war, it is not a draw.
- MikeyMoose, on 01/30/2009, -2/+9Yeah - The US *is* the center of the universe, I forgot.
;0) - InnerRayg, on 04/28/2008, -0/+7I didn't know you spoke for all Canadians-that's a neat trick you pulled there.
- Rapter09, on 04/29/2008, -2/+9Amen to that, brother.
Don't worry, yanks, Harper's a douche-bag, and he's gone next election. Never have I felt - not even with Paul Martin - that a man has taken reign of a country who is so diametrically opposed to everything it stands for. - TheSwashbuckler, on 04/29/2008, -1/+7Elton John's gay?!!!!!
- BoneheadFarker, on 04/28/2008, -1/+7Jodie Foster is gay? Damn, that's gotta makes you think...dirty thoughts...
Anyways, while this makes the political climate in Canada that much more heated, this might lead to a complete shake up in the government. Or it could lead to Harper becoming even more entrenched, depending on what happens and how well he controls things. While the next election is likely to be close, I'm hoping that we start to move away from both the Liberals and Conservatives. We have a multi-party system for a reason. Let the NDP or Green party become stronger and change the balance of power completely. Either we'll end up not going anywhere like we are today, or we'll become more progressive. With Harper or any other former Canadian Reform Alliance Party member in control, you can count on Canada becoming more restricted and offer less services to average Canadians.
As for the Americans...well, good luck to you. Obama seems like a good choice, but in all honestly the entire government looks to be corrupt. Canada's not much better, but it seems to go deeper in the American system... -
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