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- SiliconBadger, on 10/12/2007, -4/+60I agree with the summary of this story. I spent some time on politico.com arguing for Ron Paul, and chastising the after debate remarks ignoring how well he did. In light of the fact that right now he's leading the MSNBC debate poll for votes cast after the debate. More than 68,000 people have voted, and Dr. Paul has a 32% positive rating putting him in 1st place. He also has the least amount of negative votes.
Dr. Paul is the only candidate up there who really cares about getting us back to the Constitution, and restoring sound money. There may be other candidates who have some novel ideas, but no one comes close to Ron Paul with regards to slashing the size and scope of the federal government, and returning control over the unconstitutional federal activities to the states.
Vote Ron Paul for president 2008! - cheez, on 10/12/2007, -3/+43Ron Paul is the only true conservative on that stage. the rest are using what are good, basic values (small government and the like) for their own idealogical purpose. the modern republican is a disgrace to the libertarian roots of the party.
- Smuikas, on 10/12/2007, -2/+40"Unfortunately for Ron Paul, he is against stem cell research."
He's not against stem cell research. He's against federally funded stem cell research - and I think he's right. It IS a controversial issue, so some people are upset their taxes are going to a cause they don't believe in. I just wish NCLB could garner such a controversy about it (as it should) so we wouldn't have to spend our tax money on it either. He's saying that the federal government should hands-off it, and let the states take care of it. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+42Dr. Ron Paul is a 10th-term Congressman, Veteran, flight surgeon, and a medical doctor specializing in obstetrics and has delivered more than 4,000 babies. He has earned the nickname "Dr. No" for voting against any bill he believes violates the Constitution; In the words of former Treasury Secretary William Simon, Dr. Paul is the "one exception to the Gang of 535" on Capitol Hill.
Check this out:
He's never voted to raise taxes.
He's never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war
NOTE: Paul is the ONLY Rep. candidate to vote against Iraq. Clinton, Biden, Hagel, Edwards, etc. voted for and has since flip flopped like John Kerry...which cost him the 2004 Election.
As if these salient points aren't enough, Ron Paul wants to:
- Bring our troops home from Iraq & end the war
- Secure our borders from terrorism
- Stop illegal immigration & no amnesty for illegal immigrants
- Get rid of the IRS for fairer taxes for you
- Limit big government in your private affairs & lives
Vote Ron Paul for President in 2008! RonPaul2008.notlong.com - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+30Not including the round robin questions, here is the score card for how many 60 and 30 second response questions were asked each candidate in the first Republican "debate" : Romney 5-60 6-30, Brownback 4-60 4-30,Gilmore 4-60 2-30, Huckabee 3-60 4-30, Hunter 3-60 3-30, Thompson 4-60 2-30, McCain 6-60 7-30, Paul 1-60 5-30, Giulliani 4-60 5-30, Tancredo 3-60 4-30.
Paul was the only candidate that was not asked a 60 second question by Chris Mathews. - quomen, on 10/12/2007, -6/+31Is it just me, or does Romney look really creepy?!
- ByronT, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23McCain in the number two spot? He was so awkward...! and could barely speak without fumbling over words!
- armbar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18Yeah, I don't think that stem cell research should be federally funded--let the people who are wanting to make profits off of it invest their time and money, rather than just sucking down government dollars without any shred of accountability. At least the investors will keep the scientists' feet over the fire if they don't make some sort of advance.
- armbar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19What exactly is fanatical about his libertarian views? Generally, the libertarian views seem to be the most well-moderated.
Please list or explain how his views are fanatical. - scronline, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17Every person in power "conveniently ignores" those that threaten that power. Does anyone remember Perot? Multimillionaire running for president (Bush Sr.) because he thought he could make a difference. I won't go into my own personal reasons why I think he lost (let's just put it this way withdrawing and coming back REALLY hurt him but I won't say why he withdrew), but he spoke straight forward about everything he felt just like Dr./Sen Paul does. He threatens those making money on B.S. policies. Of course those that stand to lose are going to use their advantage to cut those out that will hurt them.
I can honestly say that I'm a Ron Paul supporter and I've NEVER once said I'm a supporter of any political candidate in my life. While I'm only 34, I AM 34 and that should say something in and of itself. That's 5 elections I've been eligible to vote and it was more an option of the lesser of 2 evils rather than someone I believe in.
Either rate, ALL of us have to get out there and push for him. I have already offered hosting services to Paul's election campaign if needed but they are covered. I signed up for their newsletter and watching for anything I can do to help. That's what it takes, just like digging stories about him and telling all your family and friends about him. Even if you don't agree with everything he stands for, by voting him in we're sending a message that we are done with "business as usual" in politics.
NO MORE! No more lies. No more back room deals. No more corperations controlling our lives. NO MORE! - BESTenemy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17I will do my part, I'll cast my vote for Ron Paul, regardless whether I believe in the election process or not.
When looking for work you are seeking compromise with an employer. He wants to get the best worker for his money, while the worker wants to get the best pay for his work.
Each election is not simply accepting the terms supposed majority sets (nobody actually knows whether results are calculated properly, as no one has a way of conducting an independent election). It is about learning what the country in its current state is about. Employer has the right to turn down an applicant, as well as the applicant has the right to turn down an employer.
I'm a citizen of this country. I am disappointed with it. Not disappointed with the president as much as with the fact his view might actually represent the majority that I'm not a part of. I exercise my right to make an attempt to correct things, to join my opposition in an argument, hoping to reach a resolution that would benefit both sides. I feel that teh current system is hurting my me, it is hurting my family. It provides no long term security, it ruins reputation of my country, it makes me a target for things that I weren't agreeing to.
I am not immortal. I can't wait for decades, hoping for a change. There comes a point where I have to say to myself - I can't be a political activist, a worker and a family man all at the same time. I have to choose what I want to do with the rest of my life. I want stability, I want security, I want liberty and I want choice. In years since 9/11 the country has become unstable, divided through uncertainty of what our place in the world is. Our liberties had been taken away with invasive survailance and modern witch hunt style anti-terrorism agenda. We have been given either no choice in terms of social security and less choice with medical care. With economy inflated beyond belief, I have no faith whatsoever in the pension system. Our government is too big, too corrupt, and our struggle to stay independent, yet to prevent development in the rest of the world is eating up our lives, our resourses and makes us a target for more extremist acts.
If we can't come to terms with the fact that we are just a country, one of many, if we can't learn to deal with the world as equal, then I have no sympathy and no regret for us. I will leave, cause it is my right. My right to negotiate my life. I have a duty to protect my family and it comes ahead of all other duties. - sdpdt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16McCain was reaching out to the South last night with his redneck cowboy antics.
"I'm gunna foller' ole Osama Bin Laden to the gates of hell, by God." - my4boyz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Ron Paul is the best candidate for President. A true American patriot. I'm making my donation to his campaign shortly. I hope you will too.
http://www.RonPaul2008.com - thirdoffive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18“Is it just me, or does Romney look really creepy?!”
I was half expecting him to ask if anyone wanted to come to his van to see the puppies. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19 So many diggers seem not to know why Ron Paul is so hated and excluded from the mainstream. Ron Paul speaks against the Federal Reserve, the most powerful people in the country who have had a monopoly on the creation of money for almost 100 years. The people that run the Fed indirectly own most of the media and control the political process in this country and they simply will not allow someone who stands against them to enjoy the spotlight.
Many Jewish people especially hate it when someone speaks against the banks because they know where that particular road of inquiry eventually leads and don't want to see that happen, and with their influence in media they have no interest in promoting Paul - argoff, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16
1st) they ignore you
2nd) they laugh at you
3rd) they fight you
4th) you win
Gandhi.
.... look's like Ron Paul is off to a good start. - sdpdt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13The "interactive" part of the debate was a joke. The guy picking questions was a dumbass picking some pretty dumbass questions: "Governor Romney, what do you dislike the most about America?"
ROFL! - zioxide, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16Romney is an idiot.
He completely ***** Massachusetts, and he'll completely ***** this country. - nkleffman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13thanks, this is one of the better summaries I've read of Dr. Ron Paul, I'm going to use it..
- RonPaulPres2008, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16Actually I think the best thing to sum up why Ron Paul isn't top tier is because people like you inhabit this Earth, unfortunately.
- cywar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12For more online polls==>http://www.ronpaulpresshub.com/wiki/index.php?title=Polls
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Ron Paul will destroy the cozy cabal of Regulators, Lobbyists, and Oligarchs that make up the Congressional-Military-Industrial Complex.
So the media will ignore, defame, and deny his campaign at every opportunity. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12@silversnayke:
"Unfortunately for Ron Paul, he is against stem cell research."
GIYF - read his actual position. unlike other politicians, Dr. Paul has gone out of his way to editorialize at length on his positions, policy views, and reasoning. He has written many articles, try a few searches.
from Dr. Paul himself:
"While I certainly sympathize with those who understandably hope such research will lead to cures for terrible diseases, I object to forcing taxpayers who believe harvesting embryos is immoral to pay for it."
Federal funding of medical research guarantees the politicization of decisions about what types of research for what diseases will be funded. Scarce tax resources are allocated according to who has the most effective lobby, rather than on the basis of need or even likely success."
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul252.html - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10MSNBC can't even get Ron Paul's Profile Right!
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/MSNBC_can_t_even_get_Ron_Paul_s_Profile_Right - ne0shell, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9and let me guess if the poll reflected what the mainstream media hopes to push on us then it would be accurate? If these other candidates have all the money and so many more supporters then why didn't they sweep the polls? The media / CIA etc are going to have to work much, much harder to herd the sheep from now on, nobody buys the ***** anymore.
- thirdoffive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Terrible idea. I know it’s hard but keeping things open to the masses is the right way. Any limitations would immediately be seized upon by would be oligarchs and the status-quo would be locked in even more securely than they are now.
- NSResponder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7"He seems to want to "secure our borders" by breaking off all trade and cooperation with Mexico and Canada "
That's what's known in rhetoric as a baldfaced lie. Ron Paul is entirely in favor of free trade with any country. He's opposed to NAFTA, because despite its name, NAFTA is not a free trade agreement.
-jcr - GettinReal, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Politico is a joke. What would these guys be doing if they werent working for the Gigantic Spin Machine located in the center of the Earth? These guys talk about Thompson, Hagel, and the Grinch more than the Dark Horsers.
Romney...this Moron said that he had been an avid hunter his whole life. In Massachusetts?...Uh...I mean....I hunted varmints. No hunter uses the term "varmint". He was hunting votes from idiots. Not mine. He has a better chance of receiving golden tablets from an angel than getting my vote.
Guiliani....This guy scares me. I know he was disappointed that he didnt get a chance to say "9-11" a hundred times but watch him over the next months. Trust me, if elected he will turn this country into a giant prison...for our own good of course. On the National I.D. card he backpedaled faster than a dyslexic dysenteric clown on a unicycle. He meant it for all Americans. Because we can make a card that is "tamper proof"....This is pure *****. He said the best defense against terrorists is the ID card...Thanks but I prefer my .45.
McCain. A decade ago an entirely different person. Now this guy is real dangerous. When he said Lieberman three times in a row he got a hard on for the first time in ten years. For a second I thought he was going down and try to ***** ole Nancy Reagan. He also said he would follow bin Laden to the Gates of Hell. Well you probably have a better chance of finding Bin Laden in the Langley Media Room...but if you do make it to the gates of hell tell W i said to eat a dick. - jkays, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Follow the money and you'll find the answer. The owners of Politico have probably done it again...giving candidates a complete blackout...see the link below and get the drift :
http://www.ardemgaz.com/prev/elect2000/B1_ykatv_7.html - Nodaki, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5You are correct. Most people who identify themselves as Republicans didn't watch the debates and will only get spoonfed clips of Rupert Murdoch's choice for the next president.
Don't kid yourselves...Republicans are not well-informed. Ron Paul may not be the canidate for President this year because we still are ruled by the uninformed generation of our parents.
Ron Paul will not be elected president but we do have a chance to make his ideals and name known for when it is our turn to take over. The Internet Generation will inherit a *****-hole world that our ***** parents and grandparents handed over to big corporations and big govenment.
Our time will come. - jmpeagle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Ron Paul is still an unknown among the GOP constituency. The internet fans of Ron Paul make up a very small fraction of the people who choose the nominee for the GOP.
- bluejayv1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5It seems you learned about laissez-faire from the government schools and are one of those who time and time again confuse merchantilism (government approbation, subsidizing, and regulation of certain industries) with free-market capitalism. And by the way, libertarianism, unlike communism, actually considers human nature in its arguments and doesn't try to create some idealistic "socialist man". I would recommend you read up on the arguments of the economist Ludwig von Mises whom Ron Paul consistently sites as his source on economics and policy.
Finally, in regards to your allegations that Paul is a denier of the Kurdish genocide, Paul consistently argues that it is just not possible to prevent every single evil act around the world since such interventionism will inevitably bankrupt us as well as give politicians a pretext for getting involved in other interventionist acts that are not so laudable. In fact, his argument was that politicians are creating these overhyped foreign dragons that they feel compelled to slay and will drag the American people along the path of poverty by eternally inflating the monetary unit of the nation. By sticking to the message of the Founding Fathers, "entangling alliances with no one and free trade with all", we could have helped the Kurds defeat Saddam by our non-intervention in their affairs, free and open trade making them wealthier and better able to combat Saddam's forces. This doesn't even touch on the fact that Americans are the most charitable people ever in the history of the world and if Americans were able to keep more of the income they would gladly contribute to the needs of impoverished and oppressed peoples. By reading Paul's words in the context of his consistent adherence to the admonitions of the Founding Fathers, you will understand that he believes that we can defeat any terrorism around the world more effectively by being neutral (NOT isolationist) in foreign affairs and instituting liberty-enhancing policies at home rather that applying unprovoked military force, which will always have the unintended consequence of creating more angst and thus terrorism. - gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The Politico is too connected to the Republican Party where Paul is essentially an outcast. This is still sad, but unfortunately not surprising.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@nkleffman
Thank you! :D - conspinut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Ron Paul was omited from the ABC poll on the Republican debate
abcnews.go.com/Politics/BeSeenBeHeard/popup?id=3135373
Protest with ABC , get phone numbers from this page
digg.com/2008_us_elections/Ron_Paul_Excluded_from_ABC_News_Poll_U sers_Revolt_note_the_comments - mitzip, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Politico.com is nothing but a bunch of New World Order shills! That's why they won't talk about Ron Paul. Ignoring Ron Paul is the worst thing they can do, I love it when the NWO gets put in a corner. I like to watch _them_ squirm for once.
I sent Politico feedback telling them my thoughts on them being NWO shills and stated that for that reason I will never visit their site again. I suggest we all let them know what we think about their selective reporting.
http://www.politico.com/aboutus/ - DrKevorkian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3In the post-debate interview the only time they even mentioned ron paul was in passing with a "but he can't win anyway". Mainstream media is convinced nobody competent or honest enough to not be completely full of ***** has no chance.
Screw them - Ron Paul 2008!! - 15charmaxwtf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Rationalxubrnce, it would be nice to have some evidence of this "Jewish conspiracy." Hell, I saw some radical Muslim guy on the BBC blaming them for 9/11. Then there's other people saying they influence the BBC, and Hollywood, and now its banks.
- JigoroKano, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Now you want to subvert democracy to get Ron Paul in power?
You Ron Paul people are starting to scare the ***** out of me. - Tiak, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6A rational response to the perceived injustice slighting someone that diggers support?... You sir, are now officially banished from the internet! Begone!
- NSResponder, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"anyone halfway intelligent "
Didn't you learn in the last two elections that the standard snotty liberal put-down of insulting the intelligence of your opponents doesn't help your cause in any way?
-jcr - shortcircuit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I registered as an independent just recently after being a democrat. I am not happy with either party and I feel that Ron Paul offers a refreshing view in many areas that is typically "overrun" because all of the other candidates have big money and big influence. Here is a true American who believes in the principals of the Founding Fathers and who is not afraid to bring it to a national debate. I will be proud to sport a bumper sticker for Ron Paul!
- inigomntoya, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I totally agree!
Like when he asked this -
Would it be good for America to have Bill Clinton back living in the White House?
Duh - Uhmm. Would that mean that Hilary had won, he was an extended-overnight guest, or that he kept coming back for "lost items"? Hmm... tough question, but I am going to have to go with "No". - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why would libertarianism not work? Something you forget is each state has it's own government. The founding fathers intended for the states to legislate their own rules and for the feds to step on only when absolutely necessary ... for instance in the case of protecting our civil liberties or to crack down on state corruption. Much of the so called US laws should be state level and only US laws if ratified by 3/4 of the states, not laws simply because your party controls congress and the white house.
What we have now is the federal government controlling far too much, and massive corruption where they no longer represent the people, rather they represent whoever has the best lobby or their corporate interests. Expecting DC to police itself is just plain silly, this is why Rep or Dem is essentially the same. The only solution is limiting the federal government to the limited powers given in the constitution and place much of of the power they currently have with the states. - PBronstein, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2While the poll might not scientific, it is actual people voting for Ron Paul. It is not our fault that other candidates' supporters are not internet aware or as enthusiastic. And also we don't pay college students to repeatedly vote on these polls like Romney. Us Ron Paul supporters are not manipulating anything, there are no big money sponsors behind the scenes. It just goes to show that when a candidate is not a liar, not a plastic man, not a wolf in sheep's clothing, how much enthusiasm that candidate's supporters can become in this political wasteland of talking points and broken promises.
- vdonn1320, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2from bg875 "yo whether you like ron paul or not, the msnbc poll really means nothing. it is not a scientific poll. it is an internet poll. due to the obsessive linking to the poll by ron paul supporters, ron paul got high ratings"
These polls aren't scientific anyway, however, whenever the polls come up postitive for whoever the MSM likes, they prance it around like it is absolute FACT. I did actually watch the debate and ron paul was the only one who (when he even GOT a question) addressed ROOT problems of our government. The supporters of ron paul are using these polls to try to increase Ron Pauls publicity. We know that MSM is just like advertising and we are using that against them. - lulieb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Don't be a dick, plenty of Jewish people support Ron Paul. Like me and my household.
JulieB - sollycardy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2ABC ARE STILL CENSORING RON PAUL AND MIKE GRAVEL:
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/ABC_No_mention_of_Ron_Paul_or_Mike_Gravel_as_presidential_runners
Tell them how this makes you feel:
http://abcnews.go.com/Site/page?id=3052660 - lilyrdape, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2www.RonPaul2008.com
- Area417, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@scronline
There is a $200 pledge for RP up at PledgeBank. Go and sign up and encourage your friends to do so. The deadline is June 21st. Let's face it, while Rep. Paul can do more withh less money than most, it still takes MONEY! This is going to be a long haul. If you can't afford the pledge (which wouldn't be too bad if you start saving back now) donate what you can on a regular basis. -
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