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- understudy, on 10/10/2007, -6/+137You know, if someone had named it the 'Domestic Authority Act' or something similar, it may never have passed. But use the word 'Patriot', and it sails right though.
Only a handful of Congressmen read the bills anymore. At most, they read an abstract or summary and a provision or two. Then, instead of acting like representatives of the people who elected them, they just wait for their party leaders to tell them what to do. Break with the party too often and their career may be stonewalled.
_ - 0xbadfood, on 10/10/2007, -2/+76It's newspeak. They called it the patriot act because it's intended to be used against patriots.
- kethraal, on 10/10/2007, -6/+57@JamesSpaza:
"Don't you dare NOW start complaining. You and your liberal activist judges have been charting this course for years."
1) ***** you. Really. The "us vs. you" mentality you have is part of the ***** problem.
2) If you really are hellbent on blaming someone (as opposed to actually trying to change something), blame those who seek to control, blame those who dislike opposition, and those who find freedom to be little more than a roadblock inbetween themselves and greater political power. If you want to blame, blame those who are at fault, REGARDLESS of what party they're a member of.
3) What makes you think that it's "lefties" who dislike unconstitutional things? I'm certainly not to the left of center, but I LOATHE the
"PATRIOT Act".
4) Just because something unconstitutional has been done before does not make it right. It was wrong then, it's wrong now.
In summary, ***** you. Your polarizing attitude is part of the reason that ***** like this gets passed in the first place. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -5/+44With the amount of problems going on in America, I really hope people set aside their differences and make a true push for freedom for Ron Paul. Think about the huge movements right now.. they all have one thing in common. Personal freedom. I hope we all can come together and choose Ron Paul as our representative. We sure need it
- carpespasm, on 10/10/2007, -1/+37i wasn't aware that there were varying degrees of unconstitutionality. either it's in line with what the constitution permits or it's violating the countrie's most sacred law is it not?
- nwoantibody, on 10/10/2007, -6/+36Ron Paul for the Win!
Digg this video to the stars!
Long live the free American people! - JoseJalepeno, on 10/10/2007, -6/+34I know, it's pretty ridiculous. It's kind of weird how changing the wording of something completely changes whether it passes or not. For example, Bush wanted people to privatize social security and save for themselves (Personally, probably not one of his worst ideas in the world, considering by the time I'm old enough to get SS it won't exist), but the media picked it up and called it privatization (I can't even remember what Bush originally called it...which is proof in itself that the rewording worked.) He nearly had the bill passed, and then it was referred to as privatization, and it dropped immediately. No one wants that because "it won't help the poorer people out and will only put a larger gap between them and the poor". Personally, I'm not a patriot, don't claim to be, and didn't like the bill as soon as I heard the name. You know it's going to be bad when they use a word like that on a bill right after September 11th.
That's one problem (among many) of todays' politicians. That's why it's critical that we scrutinize each one and hopefully find a candidate that's going to be honest and actually do what the people want. - galael, on 10/10/2007, -1/+28On behalf of myself, the "traitors," liberals, moderates, Ron Paul supporters, etc. who six years ago all tried to warn 51% of America about the Patriot Act, Bush/Cheney, fundamentalist nutballs, and the whole despicable right wing, I would like to stand up now and proudly say:
I ***** TOLD YOU SO!!!!!! - bustaballs, on 10/10/2007, -5/+27That is the most ignorant comment I've seen on digg.
- tcissell, on 10/10/2007, -0/+21Hard to believe, but it is an acronym: "Provide Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act - killerofkiller, on 10/10/2007, -0/+19It's one of those carefully made acronyms.. sorta like how Operation Iraqi Liberation was changed to Freedom after they noticed it spelled out OIL
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030324-4.html
*search for liberation* - navellint, on 10/10/2007, -1/+19The "Super Happy Fun Tax"
- JoseJalepeno, on 10/10/2007, -4/+22I'm sorry James, I wasn't alive in the 1900's. I might have complained then also, but who knows....
And the government has done a lot of stuff in the past that I didn't agree with, but once again, I was too young to know what was going on. You can't blame me because my parents and grandparents weren't politically involved and didn't complain about government overstepping their boundaries. I can't change the past but I CAN change what's going on now. Excuse me for NOT being a hypocrite. - d1eforyorr1ghts, on 10/10/2007, -2/+20Why isn't the congress using the PATRIOT act to get Bush and Cheney's records?
Bush and Cheney want to go thru every Americans stuff, but they do not want anyone going thru there stuff.
Does anyone smell a Rat? - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+19Samih Jammal, a U.S. citizen, wholesale grocer, sentenced to 10 years in prison. Case relied on wiretaps authorised by FISA warrant - something designed for use on terrorists. Jammal was not charged with supporting terrorism, but theft. This is just one example of how these 'terrorist surveillance tools' are used on non-terrorist suspects. Also targeted are political activists and online gamblers. Another example: in March this year Justice Department ruled that FBI's use of national security letters to demand personal and business information about individuals (financial, phone, and Internet records) without court orders were issued without proper authority, cited incorrect statutes or obtained information they weren't supposed to. These are just the tip of the iceberg. Aside from the fact that there are examples of this, your challenge is a strawman argument. The issue is the potential for abuse, not actual abuse, which has been adequately demonstrated. You seem to be saying unconstitutional laws are ok as long as they aren't actually used - which is asinine.
- tehpwnrate, on 10/10/2007, -1/+17It must be easy to post on Digg if you just copy and paste the same thing every single time :)
- sirlancelot88, on 10/10/2007, -0/+16"Freedom tax"
- ddxChrist, on 10/10/2007, -1/+17Why? At the very least you should be critical of laws/acts passed that authorize additional power and subvert personal freedom.
- GeneralReikan, on 10/10/2007, -3/+18Well said, kethrall.
I voted for Bush, and I'm man enough to admit that I ***** up. Now can those who didn't please get off your pedestals so we can do something about it and turn this country back around. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -3/+18I know the comment system sucks, but if you're going to reply to someone, CLICK REPLY UNDER THEIR POST. Like I'm doing... see?
- matador3, on 10/10/2007, -1/+16I think Ron Paul should prove a point by introducing something like the "Fluffy Kitten Sunshine Happy Act" that declares war on the entire world. And then vote against it.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+16All Republicans are evil! All black people eat fried chicken! All jews have stashes of gold! All asians are good at math!
Prejudice = looser thinking. Get with it, pal. - jmpeagle, on 10/10/2007, -2/+16I wonder what would happen if we changed the name of the estate tax to the "Patriot Tax". Would the GOP still fight as hard against it?
- zenlunatic, on 10/10/2007, -2/+15Reasons.
- tehpwnrate, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14It's an acronym.
- scubasteve377, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13The libertarian free-market philosophy, while it is pro-business, is anything but pro-big business. A truly free market encourages competition and innovation, while at the same time rejects the idea of government intervention. The simple truth is that a monopoly cannot survive without government intervention in a free market.
- Bigboomer223, on 10/10/2007, -2/+14Several examples here.
http://www.infowars.net/articles/december2005/091205Patriot_act.htm - Mothrog, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13"the whole despicable right wing"
You do realize that Ron Paul's a Republican, right? True conservatives are not evil. - dwarfer, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13Vote Ron Paul to send a big '***** YOU' to the current administration and mainstream media and all the rich power hungry bastards.
Just vote him to stir some ***** up if you know what i mean. Sit back with popcorn and watch the entertainment :) - casek, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12i'm glad to see that "we the people" are starting to take notice of our great country going to shambles.
too bad it wasn't sooner, but as they say "better late than never."
we have to stand up to the foolish, whether they be neo-conservative, democrats, big corporations, etc.
we have to stand up to them and let them know that we are here and we want our voices heard.
the people should not fear the government, the government should fear the people. - 0xbadfood, on 10/10/2007, -6/+17Don't you have anything better to do with your life than be a troll?
- HallsOfMandos, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11Part I direct link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm6-lCNz2gs
Part 2 direct link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWLNEDQyUoM - Firehed, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10What does libertarianism have to do with big business taking over? That's government-backed capitalism. Well, at this point they'd be the same thing, but only because "make up your own mind" doesn't work when you only have one option.
- Tippis, on 10/10/2007, -3/+13Cthulhu eats all -- why settle for a lesser evil?
Vote Cthulhu '08 - tech42er, on 10/10/2007, -2/+12It's too bad about the social security snafu; that probably would have been Bush's best legacy (it's not gong to be the War on Terror).
- casek, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11of course the dmocrats won't do anything to repeal any of the unconstitutional garbage our people are being handed.
but ron paul is clearly our only choice for someone who will stand up and do the proper thing to get our country back to
"normal." - nebrfan, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10I am hopeful that Ron Paul and/or disciples can redirect the Conservative movement back towards its proper libertarian roots - AuH2O !
- SouthsideIrish, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9Yeah, I am a Libertarian, and I don't trust corporate America any more than a socialist does. No offense to you Socialists, I hope.
- matador3, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9I trust big business over the government. Even the worst corporation at least has no legal authority over you like a bad government does. They couldn't get away with their schemes without government assistance anyway.
- zweben, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9"The Protection of Marriage Tax"
- jefffm, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001
USA PATRIOT act - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -3/+11Don't feed the troll. Let his childish rants be an example of the mindset of the 25% that support the current administration.
- Pimptastic, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00313
Check out who voted for the Patriot act, and who voted against it. - aerogant, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Bills these days are complicated and contain a lot of things (that is generally why they go unread :P), some things in it can be constitutional and others unconstitutional. Ron Paul generally votes against them if anything in them is unconstitutional, and in several cases he has stated that he would have voted for a bill if it didn't contain something that was unconstitutional.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8We the people don't have to "live with it", or any other laws that violate the freedoms that make America great.
VOTE. PROTEST. When all else fails FIGHT. - futureinmind, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7You're an idiot, watch one of his videos and you'll understand why people are so excited about him. He's first politician who I can say I honestly trust and he respects the constitution and has a 20 year record in congress to prove it. That could be why.
- aerogant, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8People in the democrat party have trouble with 'is'. Actually all politicians and even lawyers like altering the meaning of words. I mean if you change the meaning of words, then the constitution becomes more meaningless.
- uninvolved, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6lol... priceless
- casek, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7if by other candidates, you mean "other people with huge bank accounts and very powerful friends and then there's transvestite guiliani", then yeah, we are trying to forget about them. they are the problem. ron paul is the solution.
- JoseJalepeno, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Actually, that sounds like a great idea! I like Fluffy Kittens AND SUNSHINE!
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