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- cryosin, on 07/18/2009, -3/+75This still goes on today, under Obama.
Big Brother is watching you. - CrikeyMike, on 07/18/2009, -2/+45Yeah, It is really troubling that Obama is supporting this. It's a basic legal framework to require some cause before violating people's rights. Being "at war" is not a blanket excuse to throw out civil liberties and rule of law. Also, is there any evidence that warrantless vs warranted wiretapping is more effective, as with the torture debate?
- digg4peace, on 07/18/2009, -0/+25You want to know about your precious civil liberties?
In the words in the late great George Carlin:
"Now, if you think you do have rights, one last assignment for ya. Next time you're at the computer, get on the internet, go to Wikipedia. When to get to Wikipedia, in the search field for Wikipedia, I want you to type in 'Japanese Americans 1942( http://bit.ly/84Tgg http://bit.ly/3yvqS ), and you'll find out all about your precious ***** rights. ... Just when these Americans citizens needed their rights the most, their government took them away. And rights aren't rights if somebody can take them away. They're privileges. That's all we've ever had in this country; a bill of temporary privileges. And if you read the news even badly, you know that every year the list gets shorter and shorter and shorter." - inactive, on 07/18/2009, -2/+23why you expect "party of corporate lackeys" to be any different from "the corporate lackey party"
you are voting for the choice between eating horse ***** or eating *****, there is no "no ***** thanks" choice. - allenglines878, on 07/18/2009, -4/+24It wouldn't surprise me if wiretapping had been going on long before George Double-Yew
- varun1s, on 07/18/2009, -1/+20"Klein: With the Republicans, it's obvious why they didn't want to deal with it. Their administration was responsible for the whole illegal spying operation. The first layer of the Democratic party leadership, it turns out, had been knowledgeable and briefed on this program and was complicit, in my view."
They just appear to be adversarial, don't they? - alais, on 07/18/2009, -4/+21Did you just cite "Enemy of the State" as some sort of historical reference?
I weep for the future. - brainboy7777, on 07/18/2009, -4/+20***** the NSA.
On a side note, isn't funny that every "***** the ____" always ends in a long-a sound. For example, ***** the RIAA, ***** the MPAA, now in light of recent events, ***** the Pirate bay. - Anightowl, on 07/18/2009, -0/+13...and this is just what we know about.
- Dumbledorito, on 07/18/2009, -5/+18Because it's easy to get rid of a power you've given to a government agency. And the Republicans would fight him tooth and nail, calling him "soft on terrorism" if he ended it.
I told all of the GOP'ers who were SO happy that Bush was enacting all of this surveillance *****: "Someday, a president you don't like is going to have the same powers because YOU didn't try and stop a president you supported from taking them."
Now we're stuck with an imperial presidency until something angers the public to a scale rivaling Watergate. - NZN444, on 07/18/2009, -1/+11People are bored with this... apathetic really... no one in here has the gumption to do anything about it that matters. We make slaves of ourselves with our lack of courage. Whats the price? How much cheese does it take to buy your soul?
Obama...change... please. He works as part of the institution. Its the institution we lack faith in... don't trust. Republicans, democrats... all the same, just different versions of the same story.
What do you own? Do you own your citizenship? Does your citizenship own you?
If you dont know... thats the problem. - orb9220, on 07/18/2009, -0/+10Personally I have Given up! I am 53 now and been an activist since my teenage years. Am anti-government and anti-capitalist in many ways tho I did volunteer and joined the army did my part overseas and voted for candidates to political office. Got involved in trying to change things to make people see what was coming in the next few decades.
I am not anti-democracy or anti making profit. I am for a goverment by the people for the people. And for business leaders that make our lives easier thru products and services and make profit as long as they don't have to screw their employees and customers in getting it.
I have given up because I can't do it all. And the masses do not want to do any of it. The getting involved. The using of Critical Thinking skills and Logic in the choices they make.
And have given up on this species that have been quite happy to be genetically enhanced into lemmings and apathetic Cows!
You have forced your children and grandchildren to follow in your footsteps. They will have to decide to become criminals to society to bring it down and change it back to what it original meant to become.
A society by the people for the people. They will be the resistance fighters of the future. - Khast, on 07/18/2009, -0/+10Well, not necessarily what TPB did...but what it is becoming.
- BlacklabelSAR, on 07/18/2009, -0/+9And AT&T was given a giant "tax credit" to move from San Antonio to Dallas last year.
Quid pro quo. - Dumbledorito, on 07/18/2009, -0/+9Thanks to years of raiding social security to pay for other things, it's not so much a third rail as it is a third of a rail.
- JeSTeRSeVeN, on 07/18/2009, -2/+11The government setup a network, invited everyone to join in and communicate, then people are surprised when they are attempting to read data on said network?
I've always assumed every bit of data I send over the Internet is pretty much public domain, unless I specifically encrypt the data myself. - NZN444, on 07/18/2009, -1/+9People are bored with this... apathetic really... no one in here has the gumption to do anything about it that matters. We make slaves of ourselves with our lack of courage. Whats the price? How much cheese does it take to buy your soul?
Obama...change... please. He works as part of the institution. Its the institution we lack faith in... don't trust. Republicans, democrats... all the same, just different versions of the same story.
What do you own? Do you own your citizenship? Does your citizenship own you?
If you dont know... thats the problem. - capnrefsmmat, on 07/18/2009, -1/+9This is not just about conversations with foreigners. Read up before you comment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hepting_v._AT%26T - zanzzz, on 07/19/2009, -0/+8"If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom."
- Dwight Eisenhower
It seems that the right to privacy has without any real debate been rendered moot in modern society. It's all courtesy of a government that has more fear than wisdom. Each new intrusion, inspection, and limitation enacted with the best of intentions upon us by our government transforms our way of life into a system we fought and are fighting wars to resist. Each policy change viewed in isolation seems hardly a threat to the average law abiding person. Who is hurt if all our calls and emails are monitored or data mined by government agencies? Why get upset if everything we do is recorded so authorities can later sift through the paper trail to find criminal behavior?
It seems irresistible for a government to always reach for more power, more authority, more instruments to conduct in the illusive goal of greater security as advances in technology allow, especially in a time of war. With the current ill defined, open ended "War On Terror"- when exactly will the government be voluntarily handing back powers or liberties? That's right, the day after never. - darkened, on 07/18/2009, -1/+8Now you're catching on. The majority of all politicians are in the exact same party, the ***** America party. It's only a select few who are not members which include Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich (even if I disagree with the majority of his political standings). Sadly, I really can't think of any other names to add to this list, hopefully someone can add a few.
- inactive, on 07/18/2009, -3/+9How ironic. R3publican.
- skipvt, on 07/18/2009, -0/+6What? Where's all the "If you not doing anything wrong" morons? Sometimes I wish the NSA would hurry up and put the RFID chips in our skulls and get it over with.
- Spandia, on 07/18/2009, -0/+6I don't know about you, but I voted for giant douche bag, not turd sandwich.
- lucfreder, on 07/18/2009, -4/+9I always thought that the third rail of politics was social security.
- algaeturd, on 07/19/2009, -0/+5Americans gave up a long time ago when they discovered value meals and HD cable television. I don't even think security is a third rail in politics; I think that people simply don't give a *****.
You could have a front page story on the Wall Street Journal and USAToday about how there is hard evidence to support that every home in America is wiretapped and there is a central intelligence outpost in each city with more than 10,000 people living there.
And Americans wouldn't do a ***** thing. They'd get on cnn.com and post a user comment about how they knew this was going to happen, blah, blah, blah and nothing would get done to change it, nobody would fight it where it needs to be fought and in 3 days, everyone would turn their attention to the next celebrity death or celebrity sex tape or reality show results. It's clear to me that in the U.S., most Americans care more about the results of American idol than they do about their privacy and their freedom. Because let's face it: Without privacy, there is no true freedom. Say what you want, but privacy is the cornerstone of any true society. We lost that a long time ago but we're still supposed to feel that we're the most free country in the world?
Smoke and mirrors.
But Americans get what they deserve and they'll get more of the same, without doubt. Why? Because the government understands (like most people understand) that Americans are too lazy and apathetic to fight ANYTHING. 50% tax? Go ahead. What would Americans do? Absolutely nothing.
And I sound like I'm being sarcastic but the bottom line is that nobody...NOBODY has the will, the balls and the guts to fight things that are unfair and land outside of the groundwork of the Constitution that our forefathers laid for us. We're ***** as a nation because the downward spiral has been slow but it's been spiraling for a long time. I can sum this country up in a few sentences:
1. Corporations who have the most money get whatever laws passed that they want passed. Fact.
2. Americans bitch and moan for a couple of days but they move onto their next concern, which generally lies around food or television or entertainment.
3. If you ever thought, 'that will never happen here,' well, it has happened here and it will happen more here. This country belongs to rich corporations. Not the people, not the politicians...the corporations. And they tell YOU what to do at every turn whether you realize it or not. That will not be changing anytime soon.
They might as well put a corporate logo on the flag of the United States of America because it was sold a long time ago to financial interests who want to keep the poor poor, the middle class poor and the super uber rich super uber rich. - Blydchyld, on 07/18/2009, -0/+5Or you can continue to use track imbeded power delivery for Electrically motivated trains.
- Dustin00, on 07/18/2009, -0/+5It has, but computer power has just reached the point where they could collect and analyze massive volumes of the data. Ten years ago they had to have a human listen in on each tap.
They saw 9/11 as a chance to rachet up to massive privacy invasion and the right-wingers lapped it up. Giuliani, one of their initial presidential candidates, still thinks we're not doing it enough. - BlacklabelSAR, on 07/18/2009, -0/+4Cheney should not be breathing air or have a pulse.
- zanzzz, on 07/19/2009, -0/+4AT&T was allowed to merge with Cingular while they illegally spied on Americans. Do you really think if they had declined to do so as Quest did that that anti consumer merger would have gone through?
- Pyehole, on 07/18/2009, -2/+6You are a traitor for blindly supporting fascism. You are the reason the fourth estate is so reluctant to report on these kinds of stories. Even when the facts come out you ignore them. You know nothing about what the word liberty means.
- rabidjester, on 07/18/2009, -0/+4For all he knew (and really, we don't know the details even now), the government was turning the NSA inward on us. I'm glad he did it, and I hope more people make as much noise as possible when they suspect something illegal is going on. When you allow the government to get any type of new power, even in a time of crisis, they will fight tooth and nail to keep it forever.
We have got to stop being so afraid in this country. - kalim37, on 07/19/2009, -1/+4I have to say i voted for Obama. I actually fell for his shiny new democracy shtick. He so far has been just another politician. I just wanted so much more from him, unfortunately he doesn't have the balls bush did. Bush was a terrible president (imo) but at least he pushed his agenda. This whole wiretapping and all traces of the Patriot Act should have been stamped out right off. Sadly it is apparent that once us voters don't push hard enough everything starts to disappear. No matter what knight in shining armor we put in the oval office he will always be just a figure head for a government that will always keep what liberties it was given or had stolen from us.
- FearlessFreep, on 07/18/2009, -1/+4" They sometimes call national security the third rail of politics. Touch it and, politically, you're dead."
I thought that applied to SOCIAL security - Anightowl, on 07/18/2009, -0/+3What did TPB do?
- orb9220, on 07/18/2009, -0/+3Sorry wasn't exact enough for you. As you are technically correct.
"The United States is, indeed, a republic, not a democracy. Accurately defined, a democracy is a form of government in which the people decide policy matters directly--through town hall meetings or by voting on ballot initiatives and referendums. A republic, on the other hand, is a system in which the people choose representatives who, in turn, make policy decisions on their behalf."
But also note is
"By popular usage, however, the word "democracy" come to mean a form of government in which the government derives its power from the people and is accountable to them for the use of that power. In this sense the United States might accurately be called a democracy."
Taken from http://www.thisnation.com/question/011.html
If I was inaccurate I apologize. Still doesn't change the facts of where this country is headed. And it is not going to be a Republic or a Democracy. - kaelyiesta, on 07/19/2009, -0/+3We paid for it, let's be clear on that. I know you probably know this already but it's good to be precise about these things.
- vbullinger, on 07/19/2009, -2/+5About a half a million people voted for Chuck Baldwin like me.
A similar number voted for Cynthia McKinney, including my wife.
A similar number voted for Bob Barr.
Around twice as many voted for Ralph Nader.
About one in fifty people had the balls to not vote for Obama or McCain. Let's get that number up a bit, shall we? - darkened, on 07/18/2009, -0/+3Well the anti-capitalist movement is gaining alot of support with the nationalization of some of the most major portions of the US economy.... unfortunately there is right and there is wrong, and this is on the wrong side. This is not a belief it is merely correct vs incorrect. However the first amendment gives you all the right to choose to believe the incorrect side.
- BlacklabelSAR, on 07/18/2009, -1/+4Stop sucking Authority's *****.
- BlacklabelSAR, on 07/18/2009, -0/+3Idiocracy. This is why I am moving out of the U.S.
- JebediahTBone, on 07/18/2009, -1/+4"I am not anti-democracy..."
Dugg down for an activist who has tried to influence the US government but doesn't even know what kind of government he's trying to influence.
Hint: The United States of America is a Republic. - JebediahTBone, on 07/19/2009, -0/+2"And it is not going to be a Republic or a Democracy."
At least we can agree on that. - phobozad, on 07/18/2009, -0/+2Except that the government doesn't actually control the network or its equipment. All it did was essentially pay for the R&D that went into creating it.
- SchmuckofNI, on 07/19/2009, -0/+2They sold out to the man.
- WhiteHatTrick, on 07/19/2009, -1/+3The same multifront wars expanded by Obama? Face it, Obama lied about everything.
- BlacklabelSAR, on 07/19/2009, -0/+2Exactly. Pure Corporatism.
- boardwalk, on 07/18/2009, -0/+2The NSA has gone "inward" since 911.
No big surprise there. Now they can listen in to all those late night sex calls Diggers make :) - vbullinger, on 07/19/2009, -1/+3Joe Biden wrote anti-terrorism legislation that literally mirrors the Patriot Act point by point, and he takes credit for the Patriot Act, saying that John Ashcroft plagiarized his work. Not kidding. Look it up.
And, yes, this was all happening at least a decade before Bush. He just had the nerve to ADMIT it! He actually put it down on paper! - visionaryIX, on 07/19/2009, -0/+1I, Robot and Independence day didn't happen?
On another note, ***** I, Robot. They absolutely killed the book. - brainboy7777, on 07/18/2009, -0/+1fine, most "***** the ____".
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