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- MiddleAmerica, on 08/30/2009, -63/+263The quantity of lies from the right about the legislation is just amazing.
And it always makes laugh how they claim to be defenders of our Constitution, after they shredded it for the last 8 years.
Bush: "Its just a God damned piece of paper"
Gonzales: "The Constitution is outdated" - homercles337, on 08/31/2009, -45/+129How did they distill months of crazy lies down to just 5?
- Bulletbillx, on 08/31/2009, -11/+72I believe Gonzales used the term quaint to refer to the constitution or bill of rights.
- MiddleAmerica, on 08/31/2009, -4/+64Bulletbillx
Actually I think we were both close, he said the Geneva Conventions were quaint.
I apologize for my previous statement.
Notoriously, Gonzales has advocated an approach which "renders obsolete Geneva's strict limitations on questioning of enemy prisoners and renders quaint some of its provisions."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3596686.stm - awldun, on 08/31/2009, -6/+62I'm not a Bush fan, but that is total BS.
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_presiden ... - drmangrum, on 08/31/2009, -72/+114It's ***** like this that make it sound like the Republicans are putting forth nothing but lies ( they're not ), and the Democrats are putting forth nothing but honest truth ( they're not ).
Both sides of the isle of fudging the facts to fit their agenda. Wake up and smell the bean juice. Stop playing into the partisan politics. - MiddleAmerica, on 08/31/2009, -67/+104Bush on the Constitution: 'It's just a goddamned piece of paper'
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/arti ...
He certainly proved that was his belief.
- Pippers, on 08/31/2009, -19/+54We would be pretty ticked because he didn't know what he was doing. Obama, on the other hand, does. There is a huge difference between a person who does what he does out of ignorance and spite, and a person who does it out of compassion and common sense.
Nice dramaqueen "take control of the internet" response, though. Turn off your radio and TV, it's not doing you any favors. - MiddleAmerica, on 08/31/2009, -13/+45homercles337
Actually, these are just the most recent lies.
This is teabagger the Sequel, all bs & no substance!
These people couldn't debate out of a wet paper bag if their lives depended on it
And everyone knows it!
- JHW539, on 08/31/2009, -19/+47Interesting. Would you care to put forward five lies the Democrats have made a central part of their argument for health reform? The closest I can come up with is it will be revenue neutral - but that's not yet counted a lie because they are indeed working to finagle offsetting taxes and savings to pay for it.
- ddgconsultant, on 08/31/2009, -12/+39I think that what most people have against the healthcare bill (and we can refer to the "Republican Right" if you desire) is that the bill is so complex that you could hide any "action" in there. Once the bill is passed... then it's a done deal and left up to committees and judges to interpret -- all of which I don't believe any "American" wants to have their health and/or life handed over to -- seeing as how the government has ran other aspects of nation. Heck -- I suppose we are having a big enough problem getting the to hold to the Consititution (which is.. as some put... just a piece of paper... and now you want to manage my life and health)??? Hmm... no thanks.
- CySailor, on 08/31/2009, -6/+31Is Capitol Hill Blue really an unbiased source of information?
- KingNerd, on 08/31/2009, -3/+28@CptBuck
The Geneva Convention doesn't only apply to "our modern enemies". Not everyone is in the same situation as us and the treaty has to apply to all of the nearly 200 countries and countless variables. - WasabiBomb, on 08/31/2009, -6/+30THEN POST THE "REAL ISSUES". OTHERWISE, SHUT UP.
- yigmaw, on 08/31/2009, -2/+26Reform doesn't mean fixing every problem at once.
- rockytop9808, on 08/31/2009, -7/+30This is why George Washington said that parties would ruin America.
Instead of unifying for the good of us all, people side with the two major groups of loons and bicker back and forth with each other. Meanwhile, the tools you elect run the nation into the ground.
Saying one side lies more than the other is plain ignorant. Both sides lie, and neither look out for the people who elect them. They've lost their fear of the people because they know we won't step up and resist, and when we do, all it is is name calling. They don't care.
How about we get some people to get rid of both parties, or at least reform them to acceptable standards. Claiming this is a GOP only problem is narrow minded. Both sides are willing to do anything to get in the other side's way, be it by lying or cheating or stealing. Let's remedy this problem once and for all and vote outside the party lines. - mikejones1983, on 08/31/2009, -14/+37FTA: "To be sure, there are also honest and principled objections to health-care reform. Some oppose a requirement that everyone have health insurance as an erosion of individual liberty. That's a debatable position, but an honest one."
I belong to this camp. When our federal government can sort out the $39 trillion of Medicare's unfunded liabilities, I'll entertain the discussion of a national healthcare program. Until then, keep your hand out of my pocket.
I also take the opposition stance that nationalizing healthcare is not within the enumerated powers of the Constitution. I would certainly not consider it in the "general welfare" of the public. Taxing 300 million to pay for 50 million of uninsured citizens? You want to nationalize healthcare? Pass an amendment that says "Congress has the power to tax everybody to pay for healthcare."
Citations: (Medicare/Medicaid liability at the bottom)
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Welfare_claus ... http://www.usdebtclock.org/ - yigmaw, on 08/31/2009, -9/+32Unfortunately this stuff matters.
- trejrco, on 08/31/2009, -7/+29As if the Democrats didn't do / say anything (truthful or not) against Bush?
I am not saying one party's bad behavior justifies the other party's bad behavior, but let us keep some perspective ... - WasabiBomb, on 08/31/2009, -4/+25How can you POSSIBLY overspend on education? More than anything else, education is vital to our longterm growth. There is no better investment. It certainly pays off more than, say, war.
If we're spending too much money on education (which I disagree with) and we're not getting the results that other countries are getting... the problem isn't the money we're spending, it's HOW we're spending it. - CySailor, on 08/31/2009, -53/+73digg is getting way to political. Fact is both Republicans and Democrats lie their asses off all the time.
The Repblican vs. Democrat game has been going on for generations now and for generations things have gotten worse. Republican\Democrat are two sides of the same coin. - Paranor01, on 08/31/2009, -6/+26You said that before.
Still not much of an argument. But shows that you know how to copy & paste. - inactive, on 08/31/2009, -2/+21well its true. "prove there is no flying spaghetti monster" you cant. but i can prove there are hedgehogs.
- IHaveIssues, on 08/31/2009, -4/+23In the Politics category? How odd.
- Paranor01, on 08/31/2009, -4/+231. easy on the caps-lock, you look childish
2. they are the issues, but you're correct in saying the issues are not real because they are false claims made by the GOP/!right.
Also, if you do not want to appear even more childish, and a !right troll, then don't use the silly "obamacare" that the !right coined. - falconear, on 08/31/2009, -0/+18People are not cars. Cars are commodities. Do you, like the insurance companies, consider human beings commodities?
- theexitwound, on 08/31/2009, -6/+23So you're saying hospitals would have to verify citizenship before helping someone in need?
- smashTasker, on 08/31/2009, -56/+73It's easy to get motivated to lie about healthcare when you are getting millions of dollars in bribes from the insurance companies. Republicans make me sick.
- CptBuck, on 08/31/2009, -8/+24What are you blathering about?
- FyberOptic, on 08/31/2009, -15/+31You're expecting them to actually read this. If they were concerned about what is actually true, they wouldn't be getting their information from Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck.
- Paranor01, on 08/31/2009, -14/+29Back up those statements with facts please, otherwise it's more lies and spun 1/2 truths like the article was showing on health reform.
Obama isn't making a power grab for anything. It does seem that he is trying to let the citizens have more of their power back. Something it seems, the Republicans are vehemently against. - Pippers, on 08/31/2009, -24/+39No, I am sorry. Both sides are NOT doing this. You are absolutely delusional if "both sides do this too!" is anywhere in your train of thought. No, one side is absolutely bonkers INSANE since the election, the other has not been. There is no argument over this.
- Paranor01, on 08/31/2009, -4/+19lol
There is no overspending in education. If anything, there is a serious lack of funding to the education system because there's too many people who think evolution is the myth, yet cling to their unprovable religious dogma as fact.
As for health care, yes there is was too much spending on that. But not by the government, but by the people who pay into it to get nothing except misery, suffering, bankruptcy & death in return. - rangah, on 08/31/2009, -1/+16I love when people pretend Obama started the bailout.
HAPPENED BEFORE THE ELECTION, CHIEF. - inactive, on 08/31/2009, -1/+15They only want kids smart enough to read slogans and advertisements. but stupid enough to believe them.
- Homerr, on 08/31/2009, -7/+21At least articles like this are appearing more and more in mainstream publications, not just obscure blogs.
- nmessick, on 08/31/2009, -8/+22Seriously... if they really want to offer choice why not allow us to buy plans over state lines. That could be approved in minutes!
- reesmeister, on 08/31/2009, -43/+57Here's the problem... the average GOPer refuses to read anything longer than three sentences... they'll just scan the headlines and insert their own 'reality'... with this article, for example, most of them will only see the BOLD text... (the lies)... and assume the article conforms to their views... Why do I believe this? Because of an internet posting months back when Susan Boyle refused to see Obama. Having not actually read the article, right-wingers ASSUMED that she had refused to see him because of her political views, when, in fact, she turned the opportunity down because she was too nervous to meet somebody she idolized... the comments on the article, from the Sun (UK), were hilarious... because, the many of readers (having been linked in from Drudge)... obviously hadn't read the body of the article... they saw the headline... it conformed to their views, and once that was accomplished they stopped reading, because they don't want to have to think more then they have to... By the way, If you're a Republican and you got to the bottom of this paragraph... congrats! You finished a whole paragraph!!!
P.S. Liberals can be accused of the same thing too... as was seen in the comments.. in Reddit... attached to this (hilarious) article:
http://open.salon.com/blog/mjwycha/2009/03/08/a_de ... - CptBuck, on 08/31/2009, -2/+16I understood the Ferris Bueller reference.Even with your comment I have no idea what "How about better public schools & colleges? What? No Republicans for our future? Hello? Infrastructure?" means. It's a total non-sequitur. Is he suggesting that republicans don't support "better" public schools and colleges? Or that Republicans don't believe in the future? Or that we don't believe in Infrastructure?
Eisenhower built the goddamn highways.
So I repeat, what are you blathering about? If that's what he means, he's just wrong. - fieryseraph, on 08/31/2009, -8/+21Tired argument is tired. I know many conservatives who hated Bush. You can't lump everyone in together, and you can't say that someone's point isn't valid because they are speaking up now when they didn't before. Shut up about this already, and let's start discussing facts, and not who said what when.
- dakbonsa, on 08/31/2009, -3/+16You need to go and check the coverage for your piece of crap insurance... well if you could even call that an insurance, which would kick you out of the plan as soon as you require reimbursement.
- inactive, on 08/31/2009, -10/+23This place is getting sooooo ***** tiresome.
- zoomaKabu, on 08/31/2009, -1/+14FactCheck,org
Did President Bush call the Constitution a "goddamned piece of paper?"
Is it true that President Bush called the Constitution a "goddamned piece of paper?" He has never denied it, and it appears that there were several witnesses.
A:
Extremely unlikely. The Web site that reported those words has a history of quoting phony sources and retracting bogus stories.
The report that Bush "screamed" those words at Republican congressional leaders in November 2005 is unsubstantiated, to put it charitably.
We judge that the odds that the report is accurate hover near zero. It comes from Capitol Hill Blue, a Web site that has a history of relying on phony sources, retracting stories and apologizing to its readers. - avidlinuxuser, on 08/31/2009, -13/+261) Incorrect. All plans are not part of the exchange. Insurance companies may opt to be part of the exchange but they have to meet certain requirements. You may elect for insurance from a company that is not part of the exchange at your leisure.
2) Insurance companies will still exist outside of the exchange so the person can try to find a company that offers chemo for older patients, or they can elect for a higher tier of service in the public option whichever.
3) Illegal immigration is already illegal. You can't really expect the bill to do anything but say that the public option is not available for illegal aliens.
4) You might as well say people already have death panels.
5) Not all people will elect for the basic tier of public option or the public option itself.
Wow so much falsehood right here - rednip, on 08/31/2009, -7/+20"I'm an *****" - FTLJohnson
Of course I'm assuming that you had once uttered such a common saying in the last thirty years.
Barrack Obama wrote a college thesis with the title you mentioned. It was an appropriate subject as he was studying the constitution. It's called critical thinking, some people actually process information rather than just regurgitating it; it's nice to have such a person in the White House for a change. Turn off Faux News and change the radio station, I don't care where you think your politics stand, but I smell wing nut. - Paranor01, on 08/31/2009, -8/+20It's not too good to be true. It actually works. For proof, just look at any other "developed nation" because the US is the only one who hasn't switched to it.
So the truth is already there, all you have to do is be willing to look at it rather than the lies and ***** from the !right and GOP. - pumpkinking11, on 08/31/2009, -2/+14they are extremists on the left, and extremists on the right. if you don't include the wack jobs on your side, can't include on the other side either. "want to get rid of all the healthcare in the country" is a flat out joke. everybody lies. to say otherwise is to deny human nature.
- Gerz1219, on 08/31/2009, -8/+20Bush did bail out Detroit and began nationalizing the banks.
I was generally supportive, even though I hated almost every decision Bush ever made in office, because I knew it was necessary to prevent the Second Great Depression, and it did.
Similarly, arch-conservatives should support Obama's efforts to bring their health care expenditures under control, because it's necessary to prevent individual, corporate, and government financial collapse in the future. Instead you all want to cry like babies about death panels and forced euthanasia. - Gerz1219, on 08/31/2009, -2/+14This is an easy one. We could all agree on school choice if the government voucher program specifically excluded religious education, and that's not a compromise Republicans would be willing to accept.
For the far right, "school choice" is a code word for "you don't have to pay no taxes to no school that teaches your kids they came from no damn monkey."
"School choice" in which the fundies had a right to use taxpayer money for tuition to Christian madrassas is what the left is really opposed to whenever we have this debate. I'd have to agree we could greatly improve the quality of our children's education by letting parents use a voucher to send their kids to secular private schools if they so chose. But that's not really what the debate is about, and it's intellectually dishonest to pretend otherwise. - crunchdigg, on 08/31/2009, -1/+13if you can't dispute the facts and arguments in the article, just say so.
Ad Hominem doesn't win you any points. -
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