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- cameron074, on 10/12/2007, -16/+70"A proposed inland port would employ Mexican customs officials to clear traffic to and from Mexico hundreds of miles inside the border."
No, thanks. - Fordi, on 10/12/2007, -17/+66Um. How is this treason?
- chapium, on 10/12/2007, -24/+63"'I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.'
What part of preserve, protect, and defend do these people not understand. In plain English, Bush has committed treason."
Posts like this boggle my mind. How does building a highway affect the preservation, protection, and defense of a set of laws that define the role of congress and the supreme court more than anything else.
You cant just quote a vague blurb of law, and then assert that it isnt being followed without backing it up. Its just inane. - get2dj, on 10/12/2007, -28/+63How does the pacifist country to our north and the freeloading country to our south help us beat China?
- MinisterOrange, on 10/12/2007, -9/+42They said it won't be done for 50 years and will cost $183 billion. Why don't we spend $183 billion and figure out how to make flying cars.
- JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+32It's not the damn road Americans have a problem with it's this part:
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The Security and Prosperity Partnership is intended to promote co-operation on security and boost economic opportunities. But it set alarm bells ringing on the Right because it formed working parties that fall outside the control of Congress.
Republican Ron Paul, a Texas congressman, says it is part of a drive for "an integrated North American Union" - complete with a currency, a cross-national bureaucracy and borderless travel. "It would represent another step toward the abolition of national sovereignty," he said.
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@detlev
It didn't come from InfoWars, the guys at InfoWars are simply reposting it. Like most of what they post there, it's reposted MAINSTREAM news:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/04/wroad04.xml - ae92, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23Awesome, let them all come up here to Canada... we love immigrants and this country will really start hopping if we could get our population up around 50 million.
- trghpy, on 10/12/2007, -10/+31Which people?
secretary of transportation?
the president who hired the secretary of transportation?
The senators who granted the money?
The people who voted the senators in?
The Engineers who designed the freeways?
The xenophobic Texans?
Please do not make empty statements! - starguy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+26Not making a statement for or against it, but if there was a bridge between Wales, Alaska, to Diomede (islands), Alaska, to Cape Dezhnev (there may be a ferry that already makes this journey) you could drive right onto the Asian continent. Imagine leaving Ft. Lauterdale, on a road trip to Paris. Or any other part of Asia, Europe, the Middle East, or Africa, from Ithica, NY.
With a corresponding highway and bridge through the Panama Canal area, a person could drive from anywhere on any major continent (except Australia, Artica, and Antartica) to anywhere else. You could drive from the tip of South America to the tip of South Africa.
That will not happen of course for major political reasons. People would scream bloody murder about such a thing causing a flood of immigrants, a flood of drugs, cheap goods, animal contagious diseases, species cross contamination, etc. - trghpy, on 10/12/2007, -23/+43It's a super high way for immigrant workers to go north while stoners go south to live the good life.
Its a fair trade off. - russianmonkey, on 10/12/2007, -14/+30Am I just being daft or is it just a ROAD to improve trade links between the 3 nations?
Like the Channel tunnel between the UK and France/ROEurope?
Just remember checkpoints on the roads... the Mexicans may go all the way to Canada. - Neo189, on 10/12/2007, -16/+32Can somebody explain why the road would need to be a quarter of a mile wide though? I mean, I realize illegal immigrants are coming into the country pretty quickly, but do we really need to build a road that's so damn huge?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+20That dig at 9/11 was uncalled for, carryorchid.
And no, you don't let our guys do this. You let our guys cross at the border, sure, but this highway lets them off right in the middle of our nation, with terrible oversight. It would be analogous to building a bridge between Mexico and Montreal, and just forgoing all the land in between. Then, instead of having your own guys guarding an entry point that is already deep inside your country's borders, you're letting Mexico do it for you...cause after all, they've got an impeccable record with corruption, incompetence, and more corruption.
I've called out many a bigot and a xenophobe myself for saying some pretty stupid stuff, but this raises legitimate security concerns, without having to descend into that kind of ignorance. - trghpy, on 10/12/2007, -28/+39coming next week from this author:
"Mexico has a secret underground base with 100,000 troops and armor posed ready to use this road for an invasion route."
For how tough Texans say they are... they wine like paranoid delusional xenophobe... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -11/+21I'm not a big fan of Jizzatch's tone or implication...or his handle, come to think of it...and seeing that the article came from infowars, I'm not going to bother reading it when there's more worthy coverage out there.
But there are serious cultural, trade and security implications with this highway. There are a lot of people in the transportation industry that are very worried about this. American truckers have had it hard for a while now. From what I hear, there's a lot of pretty scary chatter going over the CB waves right now down in South Texas. Talk of pulling Mexicans out of their cabs...it's not sounding pretty. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11@urusai Here in Vancouver we got Immigrants from everywhere. We've got east Indians, people from the middle east, Europeans and we have so many Asian people in Richmond its like being in the middle of Hong Kong some times.
- WaterlooWarrior, on 10/12/2007, -11/+21like carryorchild said.. you can clear US customs when you are in the middle of a Canadian airport... or you can clear British customs in a train station in Paris. Why is that such a big deal?
- emorphien, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13There are many problems with this, the biggest I see is the fact that they want to use trucks to do the hauling. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that on a trade route like that, trains could do the majority of the hauling more efficiently.
- dracostimpy, on 10/12/2007, -12/+21WTF? Ron Paul doesn't support this *****! I think you mistook his comments as an endorsement. It was in fact a warning. Here's Ron Paul's take on it:
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2006/tst103006.htm
Ron Paul, the guy who always lands on the Constitutional side of the fence. A true patriot, and hopefully our next President. - Gudeldar, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Well technically Native Americans are immigrants too just from a lot longer ago than the rest of us...
- Avalontor, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14@urusai
Now why did you go and say that. Canada welcomes immigrants of all nations, no one nation more then another. One thing folks like you forget, each and everyone of our north Americans families are or were immigrants except for the native Americans. Yes, even your founding fathers. - oskite, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10A bridge from Alaska to Asia's not easy. The Bering Sea is very treacherous (watch Deadliest Catch, you'll see). The bridge would need to be atleast fifty feet about the water for miles and miles. Putting the pillars in the ocean all the way would cost lives and unimaginable money. And for what? No one from Alaska needs to go to Asia. And no one needs to go to Siberia. So the drive would end up being over two thousand miles, sometimes much more. Not many people would do that. It would also mean lots of gas stations. And the bridge would have to be heated. That's extremely expensive. Not to mention lighted, seeing as it's so far north. The majority of winter be very dark.
I'm all for turning this planet into a Corruscant (sp?), but let's get into space first. - JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -12/+21It's not the highway Texans have the problem with it's the North American Union all Americans have the problem with.
- chicbicyclist, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11I'm more saddened by the fact that our "great wonder" is a glorified highway.
- chicbicyclist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9More cheap labor is always good from a capitalistic standpoint.
- BillDoE, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15"Why don't we spend $183 billion and figure out how to make flying cars."
Because I don't want some drunk flying through my roof. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -14/+22there will be rights of way for rail and utility pipelines. Last I checked, the proposal is for 4 lanes of cargo only traffic (trucks) and 6 lanes for regular vehicular traffic. With more people using the corridor to drive long distances there will be less traffic on the local Interstates, freeing the areas around them up for more development. This is a boon for everyone but those whose properties will be taken for the right of way.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I think he was referring to those in the news media who keep putting coverage of Anna Nicole Smith on TV.
- davids1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Still no high speed rail cross America. That before this highway in my opinion.
- jasonlion54, on 10/12/2007, -11/+18"Republican Ron Paul, a Texas congressman, says it is part of a drive for "an integrated North American Union" - complete with a currency, a cross-national bureaucracy and borderless travel. "It would represent another step toward the abolition of national sovereignty," he said."
Abolition of national sovereignty is not a good thing. Your reading comprehension skills leave much to be desired. - ne0shell, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9sadly typical - the same bunch of people shooting off without actually reading the article and doing some research on it's claims.
1. The highway isn't just in Tx folks, it goes all the way to Canada through several states and due to the 10 mile exclusion zone to be built around it you can look forward to paying huge tolls to travel - if you can get past the highway at all.
2. Many people are going to lose homes, properties and businesses with no compensation. Go read up on the latest imminent domain issues. Cintras gets full control of the concessions including the right to close down existing highway-side businesses and turn the property over to their own vendors with 0 compensation. The states are handing these roads over to Cintras for FREE - roads our taxes paid for and have maintained. In Texas, the TX DOT is sitting on BILLIONS of dollars in profits from existing toll roads, bonds and left-over grants. By paying off a few key legislators Cintras will get a huge chunk of those assets and trillions in future revenue. The citizens of Tx will get nothing except horribly expensive RFID tolls. Don't worry, the same thing is being done in half the states in the country and if any of you live within 10 miles of a highway I hope you like losing your home without being paid for it.
3. There will be no border security or even a border. As part of the Security and Prosperity Partnership the border will be South of Mexico and North of Canada.
4. The first customs stop on the highway is going to be in Kansas City. Hope you like a 1000% increase in drug traffic, unregulated - unsafe Mexican trucks and depending on a corrupt Mexican govt handling port security.
5. A wide open amnesty program that is meant to dismantle America by flooding our country with millions of illegal aliens. For all you tree hugging PC types I submit google searches on "La Raza", "La Re Conquista" and the "Plan of San Diego". A large number of the "oppressed brown brothers and sisters" coming North have been raised to believe the bottom half of the USA belongs to Mexico and they want to take it back. They talk openly on Radio, TV and in person about the plan to kill all the whites, blacks and other races when they take over.
6. Please spare me your rants or claims of racism on my part - There's a very, very good chance I'm not white, black or Asian for that matter.
7. I keep seeing the same people posting diatribes against anyone who supports the public being informed. It's a fact the White House, DOJ and DOD employ tens of thousands of people to post disinfo blogs, forum posts and comment spam. (Do some searches for the GAO report on "fake news". The report details the program, it's cost and it's illegality). I'm sure a few of you are just repeating what your neocon radio and tv hosts feed you but given Digg's popularity it's evident we have a large number of disinformation artists. Hows it feel to wage a losing battle guys? I hope the $ you're being paid is worth selling out your own country and I hope you're aware that if this administration gets impeached a lot of light is going to be shone on programs like I describe. For the rest of you, how in the hell can you ignore something so important to the future of our republic? The info is easy to find and the eventual results are very easy to see. It's not like there's a debate on these issues, people like TX Toll Watch, Alex Jones and Diggers like myself are doing our best to put the information out there - the opposition just does its best to deny any of it is real even as the details are posted on official websites and FOIA results are written up in the press.
6. I don't know who started this ***** about infowars being an "unreliable source". If you bothered to read the articles you'd see they are cross referenced to mainstream media reports and very well sourced. If you want to continue to be surprised by the actions of your govt then by all means, rely on CNN and FOX to inform you. If you want truth and to know what the powers that be are really up to, how they plan to do things and how we can stop them then invest a small amount of time in reading infowars and checking each and every claim they make. Anyone making claims to the contrary are either trying to mislead you or just recycling the disinformation. - Harabeck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@ jcm267
"The USA has the best educational system, some of the strongest companies, and is very business friendly for a developed country. Adding Canada would be like adding another California. Mexico has a population of over 100 million, and it's mostly young."
Best educational systems? Your'e joking right? - Revan01, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10"thousands of American truckers cross into Mexico unabated, it's only fair the Mexicans be allowed to benefit from NAFTA as well."
Er, first of all, they do benefit from nafta, look at a map of how high per capita gdp is in Mexico by state, the north, that part that is closer to America to facilitate cheap trade, is almost twice as wealthy as the south, where its not as economical to trade with the US
also, American exports run from Electronics and cars to Food and Medicine... Mexican exports are usually American companies goods, or Mexicans themselves
theres something frightening about giving illegals a free run off of the road at any point in some thousand miles until they hit a customs checkpoint. - AllenHSmilden, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I would agree trains would be the best.
- trer, on 10/12/2007, -18/+24This is going to happen. The concept of Nation-States is antiquated and fading fast into obscurity. Why are so many people opposed to eliminating these artificial barriers, I don't understand. We constantly say we're one human race, so let's practice it.
- wssharp, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9or you could just fly?
- ne0shell, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7What exactly is "fair trade" when our trade partners are governed by corrupt dictators and the work force is either kept dirt poor or even enslaved? What these policies have done is de-industrialize America completely. All of our manufacturing has vanished, the middle class is evaporating and our economy hovers near a bottomless precipice. The export of jobs and businesses which provided a decent wage and a way of life in America have not "redistributed wealth" except to shift more money into the pockets of the already wealthy and create a two-tiered society over-seas and soon here in America. The establishment has done a great job of selling the average American on "globalism" when I see people cheer-leading the very system which will impoverish them. Our economy has been kept afloat by artificial "bubbles" built on worthless paper poured into the banking system. Let me clue you in, there's nothing left to build a bubble with. The financiers want a recession or even a depression so they can finish the job of hollowing out our industries and scooping up tangible assets. The "free trade" system is a scam, pure and simple.
- dracostimpy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Ron Paul is saying it in a derogatory tone, you insolent boob. Read my god damn link to Ron Paul's own take on it and then come back and tell me I don't know Ron Paul's position. You are obviously not a libertarian or you'd know Ron Paul is against NAFTA/NAU without having to read between the lines incorrectly.
"A new resolution, introduced by Representative Virgil Goode of Virginia, expresses the sense of Congress that the United States should not engage in the construction of a NAFTA superhighway, or enter into any agreement that advances the concept of a North American Union. I wholeheartedly support this legislation, and predict that the superhighway will become a sleeper issue in the 2008 election." - illyriah, on 10/12/2007, -34/+39Uhm, yeah. I'm all for patriotic feelings and standing up for your country, but abusing those feelings to further some xenophobic agenda is just plain sad.
On top of all of that, I'm very wary of any website that has banner advertisements telling me that our elections are fixed by a secret society and we are living in a dictatorship - afriendofmine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5The sad part is that the very people who will have their farms, homes, and land taken via eminent domain voted Rick Perry back into office as governor. Scott McClellan's mother, Carole Keeton Strayhorn, ran as an anti-ttc independent to get on the ballot so that GOP voters would feel good that they were voting against the democrat, Chris Bell. Strayhorn had zero chance of winning, and guaranteed that Perry would be re-elected. It is mind boggling that the GOP can convince someone that they are better off giving up their homestead than voting for someone who supports basic human rights.
- CaptainRadium, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4As someone who is uncomfortably close to this road, the big deal breaker is how this rapes local property owners and funnels the profits into well connected crony's pockets. This kind of crap may be fine for the pliable masses in other states but it goes against the grain of most Texans.
I find it quite disturbing how both the Texas Democratic and Republican Parties can oppose this, yet it still gets shoved through. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@Fordi
don't forget - "they took our jobs!" - ne0shell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4So your definition of middle class must mean being locked into factories with filthy dorms, eating rotten food and getting "paid" pennies per day to make Ipods, Nikes and just about everything Walmart sells... That free trade thing seems to be working out really well. At least the Chinese got the police state thing working - speak your political opinion and you get to upgrade to a prison where they sell your organs to wealthy foreigners. (If they don't just execute you on the street). Maybe you'll be lucky enough to actually get to have the one child allowed by law (if the horrible smog doesn't kill you both).
I think you guys need a reality check - globalism is a tool the wealthiest people in the world are using to push us all into serfdom. - john570, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It would be a 1/4mile wide with few overpasses except in the city's? Like the article mentions. This is going to sever a lot of communities.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4as a Texan I can tell you all that the transtexas corridor was one of the greatest political boondoggles ever. They needed to spend that money to fix I35 not to make a tollway that will make the poloticos in Texas very very richer. This superhighway does not go through any major cities in Texas. It is a complete and total waste of money. The American and Canadian NAFTA drivers might use it but the overloaded badly driven Mexican rigs will still be taking the free roads. And those trucks are still going to have to use the regular highway system to get from the corridor to the cities. What happened to roads being free public property? Why do a few people need to make so much money off of a highway that doesn't help?
- mikm, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6This was the first thing I thought of: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27842
- EelfinnTy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Did any body else check out the rest of that web site. Really?! Where are those Hardly Boys?
- chicbicyclist, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Especially in the face of rising super-states like India, China and Europe. I think a North American Union(even an American Union for both North and South America) of some sort isn't that far off. We already took a few steps with forward with NAFTA.
- cawpin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7@avalontor - Yes, we are a nation of immigrants, that came in legally through the system in place. I don't have a problem with Mexicans (or anyone else) coming into my country. What I have a problem with is when they come in illegally, use my tax dollars and cause accidents, commit crimes, get arrested and aren't held responsible for it. This is not the norm, this is a small percentage, ~10-15%. It is enough to cause major headaches though. Until you live with it, don't say it isn't a problem.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"So it is fine for America to bully third-world countries into accepting free trade, but when America is expected to reciprocate, free trade suddenly becomes a bad idea? Can you spell hypocrite?"
On the contrary. We run a huge trade deficit with the nations we trade with because we allow them to manipulate their currency, protect state own industries, and practice unfair labor law. The US should set the bar much higher on its trading partners. -
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