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Tapes by C.I.A. Lived and Died to Save Image

nytimes.com — Current and former intelligence officials say, the agency ’s every action in the prolonged drama of the interrogation videotapes was prompted in part by worry about how its conduct might be perceived — by Congress, by prosecutors, by the American public and by Muslims worldwide.

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  • socialpyramid, on 12/31/2007, -5/+34I've read the Times' headline several times and still can't figure out what they're trying to say.
    • Blakovitch, on 12/31/2007, -3/+41The tapes were originally created because the CIA feared that Americans would make unfair judgments about how the terrorists were treated, thus damaging their image. The tapes were eventually destroyed because the CIA concluded if they were ever released, that would also damage their image.
    • JimmySpaza, on 12/31/2007, -24/+5I've been reading the Slimes for years and have the same problem every day.

      Blah, blah, blah, Bush is evil, blah, blah, blah, Iraq is quagmire, etc.
      • ubitendo, on 12/31/2007, -1/+13Why do you read it if you hate it?
        • JimmySpaza, on 01/01/2008, -2/+1Know thy enemy.
          • mightydavefish, on 01/03/2008, -0/+1That's why we smack ourselves in the head with a hammer while soliciting gay sex.
            It's the only way to feel Republican.
            And I'll just point out what a ***** you are for dismissing the Times because it points out the continuous stream of failures from the traitors you support.
            Bury that head, spazzy. Deep, deep in your ass.

            And despite the fact you pretend to read it, you obviously don't understand the material.
      • Groovemaster, on 12/31/2007, -1/+12Yeah when it's so obvious that Iraq is one of the Great American Success Stories... :| *blink blink*
    • nutzngum, on 12/31/2007, -1/+9oh thank god - i read the headline and thought i had lost my mind...it seemed rather fractured.
    • dattaway, on 12/31/2007, -1/+1They are trying to mention the first rule of the CIA is that anything documenting the CIA is evil. The second rule is that they can't talk about the first rule of the CIA. So they don't say anything.
    • SLockhart, on 12/31/2007, -0/+1Yeah, what is it with newspapers and terrible sentence structure? You'd think they'd know better.
      • Ghost_MH, on 12/31/2007, -0/+1The sentence structure is fine...The choice of wording is just awkward. The tapes created by the CIA lived and died to save the CIA's image...That's something of a mouthful for a headline. Then again, I'm not sure what they went with is all that better.
  • chicofaraby, on 12/31/2007, -5/+50Torture is evil. Always. If they were actually worried about their image, they wouldn't be evil.
    • JimmySpaza, on 12/31/2007, -28/+3Torturing a known terrorist about to kill innocent children is NOT evil. It is, at worst, taking one more terrorist out of action before he/she can murder. At best, it will reveal a goldmine of intelligence, which can be then used to kill more terrorists.

      This secular humanistic-based morality is a bunch of empathetic crap. Try empathizing with innocent women and children killed by an Islamic suicide murdering bomber next time, you bleeding-hearts.
      • dinsy, on 12/31/2007, -4/+10Ya got Islamic suicide murdering bombers over at your house Spaz? Or just on tv.
        • JimmySpaza, on 01/01/2008, -2/+1I've encountered them overseas. I have...interacted with them on several occasions. I have been there and done that...and know what I am talking about.

          ...have you?
      • jake8689, on 12/31/2007, -2/+13think about if you were being tortured you would tell them what they want to know, not whats true. torture only works on TV not in real life
      • bjornski, on 12/31/2007, -3/+9Dammit, how many names do I have to block this moron under?
      • Terr01, on 12/31/2007, -1/+3"Torturing a known terrorist about to kill innocent children is NOT evil."

        It's evil that is "for a greater good".

        But regardless, that's not what's happening. We're torturing people who *we don't know are terrorists or not* who are *in no position to kill innocent children because they're busy being suffocated by guards*.
      • mightydavefish, on 01/03/2008, -0/+1Ah yes, the rightards failsafe "but what if torture saved CHILDREN!" retardation.
        Gee, you'd think if they gave a ***** about kids they'd slam Bush for vetoing thier health care.
        They'd push for daycare and afterschool programs and bigger educational budgets.
        LOL
        Do you see the GOP doing that? ***** no!
        Instead it's warmongering and lies and right wing shills who can't be bothered to care about their fellow men over an artificial "political" group.
        It's losers like you who think 24 is a reality show.
        It's scumbags like you who would rather torture a thousand innocent people just to catch one bad guy.
        Could you POSSIBLE be more unAmerican? Could you possibly find viewpoints that are MORE ignorant?
        The answer is NO.
        The worst part is the cowards like you who still sit their fat asses on the couch while cheerleading violence.
        ***** who can't do their part should shut the ***** up or just admit their cowardice.
    • judicar, on 12/31/2007, -5/+5I don't think the question is whether torture is evil but what is torture? If it doesn't cause physical harm is it torture? If so then the very act of putting someone in prison or punishing someone for a crime would be torture. Is spanking a child torture?
      • notque, on 12/31/2007, -1/+14And these questions have already been answered in regards to their methods of interrogation like water boarding. If they want that classified as not torture any more then they need to bring a public debate to the people on having it changed before they use it.

        It's a clear cut war crime right now.
      • Tilon, on 12/31/2007, -0/+2If your child did something stupid on purpose and wouldn't tell you what they did would you waterboard them?

        Maybe that should be the question.
  • crimsonryno, on 12/31/2007, -9/+20The CIA --starting conspiracies since 1947
    • Napoleone, on 12/31/2007, -1/+16Starting conspiracies or participating in them?
      • kooft, on 12/31/2007, -1/+10Starting and participating in them? Or masterminding and executing them?
        • cococooky, on 12/31/2007, -1/+7Executing them? Or tricking other countries and groups into doing or finishing the job for them...
          • notque, on 12/31/2007, -0/+4Is giving people money called "tricking" these days?
          • cococooky, on 12/31/2007, -0/+1@notque They give money to the antagonists, who then gain followers and believers to help carry out the plan.
    • JimmySpaza, on 12/31/2007, -12/+2The New York Slimes - starting and propagating conspiracies for longer than you've been alive.
      • mightydavefish, on 01/03/2008, -0/+1Why don't you crawl back to one of the right wing ***** like LGF?
        You'll find many many people just as ignorant and bigoted as you.
        Then you guys can all try to convince each other that your right wing stupdity makes sense.
        Thank god our country wasn't founded by scumbags who lack basic human decency like you.
        But then I start thinking the problem is that you're scared.
        Your cowardice colors every thought in your head.
  • LiberaIDemocrat, on 12/31/2007, -23/+15ITS HIGH TIME AMERICANS WAKE UP FROM THEIR SLUMBER AND REALIZE WHAT THIS CRIMINAL ADMINISTRATION IS DOING TO OUR COUNTRY AND WORLD WIDE MAN

    MILLIONS UPON MILLION OF IRAQI CHILDREN HAVE DIED BECAUSE THE BUSH ADMINISTRATIONS WAR CRIMES. THE REVOLUTION IS COMING BOYS AND GIRLS
    • pmcizhere, on 12/31/2007, -4/+11Revolution? What revolution? I just see people in general getting lazier...
    • kooft, on 12/31/2007, -2/+7I agree pmcizhere and the epitome of laziness is not flicking your pinkie over and toggling the caps-lock.
    • Bartboy919, on 12/31/2007, -4/+6I LUV CAPZ TWO!!1!1!111 ASL?
    • ChuckIT, on 12/31/2007, -2/+7caps lock is cruse control for awesome.
      • SiNN4R, on 12/31/2007, -2/+3I wish I had a similar saying for spell check but I don't. I feel nothing but regret. I wish someone who came and looked at this comment would get his money's worth for clicking view reply but alas he will not. I apologize to anyone reading this message. I am sorry.
    • sonnybobiche, on 12/31/2007, -12/+4Thanks for that inspiring message LiberalDemocrat. Wait, liberal democrat? Wow, you didn't even TRY to cover up your biases.
      • evilpoptart, on 12/31/2007, -2/+9i have a bias against obstruction of justice.
    • JimmySpaza, on 12/31/2007, -17/+3There were no MILLIONS of children killed. Stop promoting this DailyKos liberal propaganda. If Clinton were in office doing the same thing, you would be suddenly proclaiming how there were only a dozen or so children killed this entire time.
      • mightydavefish, on 01/03/2008, -0/+1That's right, it wasn't JUST kids.
        Does that change things for you?
        A million kids vs. a million PEOPLE.
        Does that mean you right wing extremists now consider it fair game?
        Killing housewives and shop clerks and kids and doctors and street cleaners and veterinarians is fine with you?
        So did you join the right wing extremist movement BECAUSE you lack basic feeling for other human beings, or did you join and learn to not care afterward?
        You have GOT to be one of the most pathetic right wing ***** on digg. Be proud.
    • captric, on 12/31/2007, -5/+1The children being killed in Iraq are being killed by Al-Qaeda car bombers who set off bombs in the middle of a marketplace filled with women and children. American troops and Iraqi troops are doing their best to prevent these attacks. Guys like you ENABLE Al-Qaeda terrorists because they know if there are enough people like you in the US they can win this struggle. The fact is, there are NOT enough people like you....you are fringe element with no support and will be sent to the sidelines of life where you belong.
  • Rotzooi, on 12/31/2007, -3/+50In short: worried about the horrendous content of the tapes, the CIA decided that a little trouble over their destruction was to be preferred over people actually viewing them. Lovely.
  • iraq, on 12/31/2007, -4/+42So let me get this straight. The United States does not torture, except when it does. The United States does not destroy evidence of the United States "not torturing",.. except when it does. Yet, what this story essentially says is--- we do, in-fact, torture. (that's a War crime) It was in-fact authorized by the President and his administration. That's an admission of President Bush's involvement in committing a war crime and violating international laws in carrying out that crime. Is there anything that I'm missing here, why has our media and the Congress not gone ballistic over these admissions. Granted, Ted Kennedy has been very vocal against the administration on the issue, but without the rest of the Democrats AND Republicans behind that voice, there is nothing. Get this show on the road, the President isn't going to impeach himself.
    • notque, on 12/31/2007, -0/+8If we want to talk war crimes, the invasion of Iraq was the supreme war crime of aggression which contains responsibility for all the crimes that occur because of the event.

      And we are all responsible for allowing it to continue.
    • RealHyperX, on 12/31/2007, -0/+6Good luck impeaching the president. No one cares if property taxes doubled from last year, but somehow they will get involved in impeaching the president? People in this country stopped caring a long time ago! I guess Americans like to get *****.
    • shupy, on 01/01/2008, -0/+1Most people in this country are disgusted, and just waiting for it to be over.
      Why waste time impeaching the president? Who's going to take over? If we impeach Bush (although he deserves it richly), we will once again have wall to wall hearings that will end with a pardon. Bush and Cheney retire and nothing happens.
      During the Clinton years we had the luxury of relative peace and prosperity and the leisure to worry about who was screwing who.
      Now we have problems, and impeaching Bush wouldn't even provide any titillating stories of sex in the oval office.

  • ronpaul20008, on 12/31/2007, -7/+36The abu ghraib tapes show our military not only torturing, sodomizing, & raping men, but also women & young children. Usually, in front of each other..(molesting a child in front of his/her father, raping a woman in front of her husband, etc.)
    • sonnybobiche, on 12/31/2007, -15/+5I assume you've seen these tapes? No? Then please shut the ***** up with your absurd speculation.

      Sounds like a bad retelling of "The Aristocrats."
      • ronpaul20008, on 12/31/2007, -2/+9http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/14864
      • sonnybobiche, on 12/31/2007, -9/+2@rounpaul

        The Seymour Hersh quote at the bottom is the only thing that substantiates what you said, and guess what. Even Seymour Hersh has acknowledged that this just wasn't correct.
        From wikipedia:
        In an interview with New York Magazine, Hersh made a distinction between the standards of strict factual accuracy for his print reporting and the leeway he allows himself in speeches, in which he may talk informally about stories still being worked on or blur information to protect his sources. "Sometimes I change events, dates, and places in a certain way to protect people... I can’t fudge what I write. But I can certainly fudge what I say."
        Well, it seems you haven't actually watched these tapes, and neither has Hersh. I'm so happy that you cited him, because it just destroyed your credibility.
        • mightydavefish, on 01/03/2008, -0/+1Good little rightard.
          You have managed to make a claim that Hersh hadn't seen the tapes based on nothing.
          How very right wing. Make a claim based on NOTHING.
          Way to go, scumbag.
          The other right wing extremists will congratulate you on your baseless claim that Hersh was lying.
          They hate that guy. He shows them up as liars and failures.
          Good on for joining that club.
    • captric, on 12/31/2007, -5/+4Laughable - you have a sick mind - but that is permitted when you are anonymous and powerless. Tell me one example pf raping children at Abu Graib?
      • ronpaul20008, on 12/31/2007, -1/+7http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/14864
        there's the link.. click for yourself...i wonder why i'm getting dugg up so much, maybe because the truth hurts but it needs to be told in order to figure out ways to stop what's going on? laughable? rape torture and murder of innocent people is not that funny. not funny at all , actually.
      • ronpaul20008, on 12/31/2007, -1/+4I have a sick mind? hey, i'm just the messenger, because the mainstream media refuses to do their duty by not serving the public (don't even get me started on 9/11.....)
      • DestroyFascism, on 01/01/2008, -0/+1Shame on you for suggesting people can be so evil.....Would anyone have memories of Germany and berkinow? Rape, Sodomy and Children...All guarded by Sadists and thugs! History is just repeating itself...
      • mightydavefish, on 01/03/2008, -0/+1And you are a clueless *****. What's laughable is you pretending you paid attention. What's laughable is pretending people who have been PROVEN to abuse prisoners didn't do it.
        We KNOW abuses went on at AG, and we KNOW children and women were held there.
        But in your tiny little brain you can't put two and two together and figure out that some of the women and kids were abused?
        Oh, no, you clueless ***** still pretend you don't know of the abuse.
        While secretly the GOP leadership uses the tapes for gratification.
        I don't know that for a fact, but given their propensity for anonymous gay sex and cheating on their wives and trying to ***** kids it makes sense.
  • zaibatsu, on 12/31/2007, -0/+13Wow this is just sick
  • Malarie, on 12/31/2007, -6/+4Here's another proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2b1D5w82yU
    • actorboy, on 12/31/2007, -2/+3I wish somebody would DMCA Rick Roll.
  • steinalec, on 12/31/2007, -6/+3Now THAT's what I call a STICKY SITUATION.
  • infinityanant, on 12/31/2007, -1/+11well CIA should open the tapes so that public can know what has happened behind their back.
    • Rotzooi, on 12/31/2007, -0/+11The tapes were destroyed, so there is nothing to 'open'.
      We will never fully know the extent of the horrors that have been perpetrated in our name.
      • JoeVet, on 12/31/2007, -3/+2And you know they were destroyed because they told you?
        • mightydavefish, on 01/03/2008, -0/+1I was going to digg that down and realized you are RIGHT.
  • ronpaul20008, on 12/31/2007, -3/+2made mistake, no post, sorry!
  • cotaskmemalloc, on 12/31/2007, -2/+8Absolutely retarded headline.
  • vx69, on 12/31/2007, -7/+2I right click to save my images.
  • Electrowar, on 12/31/2007, -7/+0Can anyone get this submitted? The URL submission page won't let me saying that the bodybuilding.com forums have been used by too many users. There is more drama from those guys with the cheating girlfriend situation, but this time with their users posting child pornography. The FBI was contacted, more drama is most likely going to occur soon. While the original thread with the pictures was deleted by the admins after the FBI was contacted, the user posting the bulk of the semi-nude and nude underage girls posted a followup thread where he complained about his jailbait thread being deleted.

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=634 ...

    I think this is front page worthy, these muscleheads are freaks.
  • NuFadZoo, on 12/31/2007, -2/+8They taped over the torture with wedding footage.
  • UberGeek404, on 12/31/2007, -10/+3If you really want to see video tapes of torture, I suggest you get some of the tapes showing the beheadings of Americans by our enemies. Why don't you apply to Al-Queda for the one of Daniel Pearl? Maybe you would prefer the one of Nick Berg. If that's not enough for you there is video of the the desecration of Tucker and Menchaca's decapitated bodies.
    Talk about war crimes...
    • notque, on 12/31/2007, -0/+9We aren't responsibly for Al-Qaedas torture. We are responsible for our own. Watching their beheadings has no moral value whatsoever.
    • Jowsley, on 12/31/2007, -0/+7The "but the terrorists did...." is becoming the new "but Clinton did..." argument.
      Wrong is wrong, and an eye for an eye will make the world blind.
    • robberry, on 12/31/2007, -0/+5Oh, look, there's another person who thinks that two wrongs make a right....
    • bowens44, on 12/31/2007, -0/+9We have no control over what others do but damn sure have a patriotic to make sure that our people aren't doing it. I am so sick and tired of you neo-cons using the 'what about him?' excuse for every atrocity and crime that was instigated by your idiot president and his anti-American , irresponsible actions over the last 7 years.
    • JoeVet, on 12/31/2007, -2/+4Until Bush and his "war" we maintained the moral high ground. Thanks to yellow-bellied cowards like you this country is now in the gutter with these low life terrorist. We no longer have any dignity left because you are afraid of the bogyman. You need to grow a backbone and join us God fearing people in standing up against these slime instead of joining them in the slime.
    • vertinox, on 12/31/2007, -1/+4Is it OK to gas Jewish people because Hitler did it?
  • Rotzooi, on 12/31/2007, -6/+3Some of the tapes that were salvaged were sent to Channel 4: (caution, brutal!)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU
  • UberGeek404, on 12/31/2007, -6/+1You do realize that Al-Queda is not a signatory to any agreement about the conduct of war, including the Geneva Conventions. As such they have placed themselves outside of the rules. They should not benefit from any rules they have not agreed to comply with.
    It is not about "but they did it". Rather it is about enforcing the rule of law. If they place themselves outside the laws of nations they can not expect to benefit from those same laws. This would lead other nations to quit the protocol and only the US would be responsible until they quit too. Obviously this would lead to a breakdown of what little civility there is in the world, and only encourage rather and discourage, barbarism.
    The Left only wants these tapes because getting Bush is more important to them than anything else. ANYTHING.
    • vertinox, on 12/31/2007, -1/+7Nazi officers got hanged for war crimes even though Hitler declared the French resistance and Soviet partisans fighters did not have the Geneva Conventions didn't apply to them because they weren't wearing uniforms so they could just execute them unlike regular POWs. A crime is still a crime.
    • ronpaul20008, on 12/31/2007, -1/+3torture of them puts more of our troops in danger. we went in there illegally, the iraqis did nothing to deserve what we are continuing to do to them. they had nothing to do with 9/11, no al quaida, no wmds... If you really want to piss of some terrorists, rape kill & torture a million of them. We now have the whole middle east raging in anger against the infidels, with animal like killing rage in their bodies, and our troops are just sitting ducks, and we have nobody to blame but ourselves.
    • shupy, on 12/31/2007, -0/+4The problem here is that these are not terrorists that were tried and convicted of anything. These are suspects that are being interrogated.
      This torture is not punishment for a crime, it is seeking evidence of a crime.
      The victims of this interrogation may not be guilty of anything other than being in the wrong place, or being related to the wrong person, or being the wrong nationality.
      That should weigh heavily on everyone's conscience.
      If these people were not terrorists before, you can be sure they and everyone that knows them will have a burning hatred for the US after.
    • Jowsley, on 12/31/2007, -0/+1First you say "If you really want to see video tapes of torture, I suggest you get some of the tapes showing the beheadings of Americans by our enemies"
      Later you say "It is not about "but they did it""
      You feel these statements are compatible?
  • tsch, on 12/31/2007, -0/+8I want to know who the doctors were that agreed to be in the room when someone was being tortured. The AMA should revoke their licenses.
    • ronpaul20008, on 12/31/2007, -0/+1Even experimentation on prisoners by doctors is nothing new
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MD9yKW-S1k&feature ...
      you just don't hear about it, cause of britney & michael jackson.
      We all have this benevolent government image that just isn't so.
      Those guys don't give a ***** about us. wake up.
  • shupy, on 12/31/2007, -0/+4UberGeek, you do know that these were suspects. Not yet found guilty. If our government decides suspects can be tortured, how safe is anyone? The legacy of the Iraq debacle is that people can be jailed indefinately without charges, and people can be tortured as "suspects". This stuff is right out of the dark ages.
  • UberGeek404, on 12/31/2007, -3/+2Get back to me after you get it through you heads that people who shoot at you on a battlefield are not "suspects" - they are the enemy.
    How safe is anyone if we give suicide bombers a pass because they haven't yet pulled the cord to the vest they are wearing?
    BTW - If you want to know about the Dark Ages just look up the Ottoman empire, and the role of the Islamics in burning the Library of Alexandria.
    • Jowsley, on 12/31/2007, -0/+2What 'battlefield' was Maher Arar captured on?
      • UberGeek404, on 12/31/2007, -1/+1Better yet - ask the Syrians why they mistreated him. We just sent him back to land of his birth - where he had been "vacationing". Let us not forget that Syria is the last bastion for the Stalinist, Bathists. They just treated him the same way their fellow Bathist, Saddam, had treated so many of his guests.
        They could have let him go, you know.
        • Jowsley, on 12/31/2007, -0/+2The man is a Canadian citizen traveling with a Canadian passport back to his home in Canada via the US. The 'battlefield' he was captured on was JFK airport in NYC. Why do you think the US decided to send him to Syria instead of his home country, Canada? It couldn't possible be because the Syrians are willing to torture their prisoners and share the results of their 'interrogations' with the CIA, could it?

          http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/21/48hours/ ...
        • shupy, on 01/01/2008, -0/+1Ah, so based on your reference to the Ottoman empire, it is being Islamic that is the crime. Lets also consider the Spanish inquisition and include the barbaric history of the Christians. Regardless how uncivilized any ethnic group has been historically, it does not give us permission to be as barbaric.
          I thought we were better than that.
    • shupy, on 01/01/2008, -0/+3How many "battlefields" has UberGeek ever been on.
      Please provide documentation that those who were waterboarded were suicide bombers or wearing vests loaded with bombs.
      Ah, so it is being Islamic that is the crime. Regardless how uncivilized any ethnic group has been historically, it does not give us permission to be as barbaric.
      I thought we were better than that.
  • scottknick, on 12/31/2007, -1/+6Those who believe that torture, brutality, and war crimes are justified when the stakes are high enough are in full agreement with Osama Bin Laden. If we define a class of humans to whom anything might be justifiably done, then the only moral difference between ourselves and Al Qaeda is the color of our jerseys.
  • SLuM, on 12/31/2007, -1/+4The US and Israel make the USSR and China look like chumps when it comes to torture and murders. Don't believe me? Chomsky.info
  • ruprecht420, on 12/31/2007, -0/+0I don't believe that evidence of torture is why the tapes were destroyed. The tapes were probably destroyed because of what information they contained. Abu Zubaydah probably had some very interesting things to say.
    • shupy, on 01/01/2008, -0/+1Or not. Now wouldn't that be interesting.
  • DestroyFascism, on 01/01/2008, -0/+4Destroying evidence is admitting guilt....CIA = Worlds biggest terrorist organization....
  • URnotheonly1, on 01/01/2008, -0/+1just wasting are time
  • Observant1, on 01/01/2008, -2/+1http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/es ...
    learn about how right after WW2 operation paperclip brought nazi war criminals to the US with full pardon: slave killing rocket scientists to give us NASA, propaganda artists to guide government and steer public opinion of it, security specialists (SS) to form the CIA that bush senior was part of since its inception. learn that what was named ISREAL after WW2 was totally controlled by nazi's and the only place germans wishing to leave their country were allowed to go to. this is why the US government jumps anytime ISREAL says "frog", they are the SAME NAZI'S. it HAS happened here and it is gaining momentum, there are already 800+ concentration camps on American soil. the NAZI'S lost the battle in WW2 and moved their base of operations to the US, is obvious when you look at what the current US government regime and the Iseali regime are doing right now. the NAZI's controlled the news and other media in Germany, same as the US now. in Isreal it is NAZI's posing as JEWS in control who are ready to scream "youre anti-semitic" if you oppose what they do (yeah the race card BS). they stuffed the palestinians into a concentration camp and recently threatened to deny them water, a threat of genocide to over 1.4 million people.. now please read the article here: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/es ... that explains where the BUSH family came from and what traitors they really are to the American People. the "powers that be" need to be stopped this time.
  • Caffeinate, on 01/01/2008, -0/+1From the article:

    "The Justice Department, the C.I.A.’s inspector general and Congress are investigating whether any official lied about the tapes or broke the law by destroying them. Still in dispute is whether any White House official encouraged their destruction and whether the C.I.A. deliberately hid them from the national Sept. 11 commission."

    They have already lied about their reasons for destroying them. First the reason was because they might leak. Everyone pointed out that if the CIA cannot maintain control of their own evidence and intelligence, that they are absolutely worthless as a security organization. Now they are saying they made them because they wanted to be able to prove people were not tortured, and because they were afraid it would harm the careers of those involved, and cause "undue" political complications.

    This is the problem with the current administration, and everything the current White House touches - they tell one story, it is then proved to be a lie, and so they change the story, denying that they every told the first story. Everything is done with politics in mind, not legality.

    This situation might be the one that finally gets some people to tell the truth. There are way too many things that have been covered up, lied about and manipulated for purely political reasons. Someone is going to crack because they don't want to be made a scapegoat, and the whole ugly truth is going to spill out of the whole. I just hope we as a nation can find a way to withstand the deluge of crap that is about to flow all over our country.
  • shupy, on 01/01/2008, -0/+3A good response to Ubergeek that deserves repeating:

    The man is a Canadian citizen traveling with a Canadian passport back to his home in Canada via the US. The 'battlefield' he was captured on was JFK airport in NYC. Why do you think the US decided to send him to Syria instead of his home country, Canada? It couldn't possible be because the Syrians are willing to torture their prisoners and share the results of their 'interrogations' with the CIA, could it?
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