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- Verchiel77, on 12/05/2008, -5/+59It is, and was, except in the fevered imaginations of the Birthers enraged over losing the election and having swung and missed with Ayers, Wright, and secret Muslim smears.
- SheilaNoya, on 12/05/2008, -3/+54The absolute best line from the article: Donofrio in fact "concedes Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii."
The guy who filed this lawsuit admits that Obama was born in Hawaii. That should make a few heads explode in conspiracy land. - Natitude, on 12/05/2008, -8/+55Isn't this the sort of thing that's taken care of before someone runs for President? Can someone really go all the way through the entire campaign process and be elected and THEN they check the birth certificate to make sure it's legit?
- athinnes, on 10/01/2009, -2/+48•The birth form released by Obama was "an unsigned, forged and thoroughly discredited" live birth form, Schulz says.
Last summer, Obama's campaign presented a digital copy of his certificate of live birth. After critics questioned its authenticity, staff at FactCheck.org, a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania, said they had seen, held and examined the actual birth certificate.
•"Hawaiian officials will not confirm" that Obama was born in their state, Schulz says.
Initially, Hawaiian officials said that privacy laws prevented them from releasing a copy or confirming that Obama's copy was authentic. But in late October as questions persisted, Hawaii's health director and head of vital statistics reviewed Obama's birth certificate in the department's vault and vouched for its authenticity.
•Schulz says that legal affidavits state Obama was born in Kenya.
The affidavits that Schulz refers to are filings by the Obama critics themselves in the court cases challenging Obama's citizenship.
•Obama's paternal grandmother is recorded on tape saying she attended Obama's birth in Kenya, Schulz says.
The group's Web site posted what it says is a transcript of a long-distance phone conversation in Swahili and English from late October between a questioner in the United States and Sarah Hussein Obama, in her Kenyan home. The translator said he was one of two interpreters conducting the interview in a crowded hut during a celebration, over a speaker phone that dropped the call three times. A copy of the recording was not provided by Schulz.
• Schulz says that "U.S. law in effect in 1961 [the year of Obama's birth] denied citizenship to any child born in Kenya if the father was Kenyan and the mother was not yet 19 years of age."
If a child is born in the United States—as Hawaiian officials state that Obama was—that child is a U.S. citizen regardless of his or her parents' nationalities. If born to an American parent outside the U.S., the law at the time would require the U.S. citizen parent to be at least 19, which Obama's mother was not. The provisions of this law were subsequently loosened and made retroactive for government employees serving abroad and their families. It appears that this would not apply to Obama's mother. The matter would seem to be academic: Hawaiian officials vouch for Obama's birth certificate.
•Schulz says that in 1965, Obama's mother relinquished whatever Kenyan or U.S. citizenship she and Obama had by marrying an Indonesian and becoming a naturalized Indonesian citizen.
U.S. law lists the specific acts and formal procedures necessary to relinquish U.S. nationality. The statute requires the acts be performed voluntarily and with the intention of relinquishing one's nationality. In many instances, one must be 18 to renounce one's citizenship. Obama moved to Indonesia in 1968 and moved back to Hawaii while still in grade school. There is no indication that Obama renounced his U.S. citizenship.
Schulz supports his argument with a reproduced Indonesian school document that states Obama's citizenship at that time as "Indonesian." But the same document also lists Obama's birthplace as " Honolulu, Hawaii."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/obama/ ... - twitchr, on 12/05/2008, -5/+46"Today is the day that all the Barack Obama birth certificate conspiracy theorists--or "birthers," as they're known in some circles--have been waiting for."
Am i being arrogant in saying that we started "birthers" right here on digg? pretty cool that it's sticking! - ironhide, on 12/05/2008, -4/+43Seriously? This guys argument is this? - "The Framers of the Constitution, at the time of their birth, were also British Citizens and that's why the Framers declared that, while they were Citizens of the United States, they themselves were not "natural born Citizens"
Well duh, their mothers couldn't have been American citizens, like Obama's mother was. - gaapgod, on 12/05/2008, -1/+30To clarify the Headline, the Supremes are considering granting cert (whether to hear the case, not whether the legal argument is sound).
- cptmichael101st, on 12/05/2008, -4/+28good god.
- Kavalier, on 12/05/2008, -0/+23If anyone could prove this, I'd appreciate it soooo much. Track down the first use?
- ironhide, on 12/05/2008, -0/+23The first time I saw it, it was on digg, I don't remember who said it, but it had a ring to it, so I started using it.
- dantw, on 12/05/2008, -5/+28this is all quite pathetic. obama won, you lost. get over it.
- kmom5, on 12/05/2008, -0/+21Hello!
It's very, very simple .For one, even though Obama is a prominent public official, he still has privacy rights. The hospital he was born at CANNOT confirm his birth there without permission.
The recording you refer to has already been debunked. It is very heavily edited.
Didn't you read the article? Not even the person bringing the suit denied that he was actually born in Honolulu, Hawaii. - Kavalier, on 12/05/2008, -0/+20Tell me more about this recording you made up.
- twitchr, on 12/05/2008, -0/+20ah, you must be referring to the 14 minute audio tape where it is clearly stated multiple times that he was born in Hawaii? or are you referring to the 4 minute doctored one that's making the rounds on WND and FR?
- inactive, on 12/05/2008, -0/+19I saw it here:
http://digg.com/politics/Obama_proof_he_was_born_i ...
Ironhide was the first one I saw using it. I can't find any track back from Ironhide's comment. - cquinnd, on 12/05/2008, -0/+19The Hawaiian officials confirmed that the information so far presented for teh COLB is authentic. The information on the COLB identifies the state of birth as Hawaii.
The certification of that COLB means that the person indentified on the document was born in the state that is referenced on the document.
Ergo, The Hawaiian officials have confirmed the statement "Obama was born in Hawaii" is accurate. - ironhide, on 12/05/2008, -0/+18I'm not going to take undue credit - I swear I saw it a day or so earlier but I have no idea what thread it was in.
- Kinsbane, on 12/05/2008, -5/+23Born on US soil = citizen. End of story.
- normlsparky, on 12/05/2008, -0/+17Hello, (hello, hello), is there anybody in there?
- thepoliticalcat, on 12/05/2008, -0/+17Are you stubborn or just plain stupid? Hawai'ian officials have already confirmed that Obama was born in Honolulu. No recording that meets the standard of evidence has ever been submitted of Obama's grandmother claiming she attended his birth. You know, I can always find someone, maybe an alky or a crazy, to say that they saw your birth and you were born to, I dunno, an alien from another planet. If a court would accept such rank ***** as evidence, you'd be mighty upset, wouldn't you? In the same way, the court sets standards about what is acceptable as evidence and what is not. A random telephone call with no proof that either person on the line is who they claim to be is not evidence.
- ironhide, on 12/05/2008, -0/+16Wow, just joined today and her first post was birther nonsense - So, Freeper or one of the birther's sockpuppets?
- twitchr, on 12/05/2008, -0/+15It was earlier than that. im gonna check.
- coffeebaby, on 12/05/2008, -0/+15well... it was in Swahili which, as we all know, is easily translated over speaker phone with a bad phone connection in a crowded room full of other people speaking excitedly in Swahili.
- ironhide, on 12/05/2008, -0/+15The recording you are referring to has been proven to be heavily edited. Also, she never claimed he was born in Kenya, she said she was present at his birth. If you had heard the unedited version you would know that it was stated very clearly that he was born in Hawaii.
- JenniferInMO, on 12/05/2008, -4/+18Oh, but it's true. Didn't you know? The child was born and everyone jumped into place. There are thousands of public officials in several countries who are "in on it" and who have been working since 1961 to pave the way for this fraud on the American people. After all, we are in the middle of a CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HRC looked away at the REAL evidence because she didn't really want to be President. John McCain and the RNC saw all of this evidence, but they are in on it too and they always wanted Obama to be the president because it is in Revelation and he is the anti-Christ. - Gemfinder, on 12/06/2008, -0/+14Going by that logic, the Washington, Jefferson and Madison Presidencies were in direct conflict with the Constitution that they were party to drafting!
My God, this nation's entire history is a conspiracy of hypocrisy! The fix has ALWAYS been in!
/s - ironhide, on 12/05/2008, -1/+15devided? Spelling fail
Also because a handful of malcontented kooks have their noses out of joint, doesn't mean the country is DIVIDED. - Kavalier, on 12/05/2008, -0/+14Yeah, me too just a few days ago. I actually remember it exactly:
/buried. Birther spam
with the slash... But I bet it was before that. I actually haven't seen it anywhere else. - scottknick, on 12/05/2008, -1/+15HEY EVERYBODY -- Ironhide did indeed invent the term Birther on November 24 -- and I was there to witness it! See here:
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Insufficient_pub ... - scottknick, on 12/05/2008, -2/+16I'm glad to see that the Birther meme has escaped its isolation in the Digg community and has begun to go viral.
- Phillycook2, on 12/05/2008, -2/+15The Supreme Court doesn't seem to think so and Donofrio has admitted that President Elect Obama was born in Hawaii.
You want to talk about dividing the country you better look at the last 16 years, with Republicans pretty much in control. And the last eight with GWB shredding the Constitution? "It's just a goddam piece of paper."
So, did you join Digg today JUST to make fatuous, nay seditious comments?
Or did the little yellow bus drop you too far from home and you can't find your way back? - twitchr, on 12/05/2008, -0/+13i'd bet on sockpuppet. at the rate they get themselves banned, it would make sense.
- cmootoo, on 12/05/2008, -4/+17What are the chances that this guy passed all those checks for the highest national security briefing in the country, fooled 50 secretaries of state, the fec and numerous other 3 letter agencies?
- twitchr, on 12/05/2008, -0/+12i looked, but couldn't find it. oh well. we can ALL take the credit!
- Kavalier, on 12/05/2008, -0/+12Yeah, I added a shout out to Digg for birther. But I think a post looking at the origin of the word would be cool.
- internetcoward, on 12/05/2008, -5/+16happy nutjobs? Now STFU already about it and leave digg alone. Stop postign all of this fake news nonsense and let us get back to actualt FACTS.
- Kavalier, on 12/05/2008, -0/+10Thanks so much for looking. I'll keep hunting too. Can't find it anywhere else on the web.
- cmootoo, on 12/05/2008, -0/+10And you know for a fact that this recording was Obama grandmother because......?
In the face of all this evidence to the contrary you're holding on to an unverified tape as your proof? - twitchr, on 12/05/2008, -0/+10Thanks for writing the article! It was you who wrote it?
anyway, I appreciate it. There is so much misinformation out there regarding this issue, and unfortunately, when searching news on the subject, it mostly returns biased WND, or freeper crap. - coffeebaby, on 12/05/2008, -1/+11Oprah has divided this country?
- highlymodified, on 12/06/2008, -2/+12http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Poe%27s_Law
- fadeout, on 12/05/2008, -1/+10Why is the court not listening to conspiracy theory crazies supposed to be news?
Ignore this and let it go away already. - Syric, on 12/06/2008, -0/+8Is Barack Obama's birth certificate real?
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No 58009 (52.7%)
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...................................,<`.._|_,-&``................`\ - godssonisme, on 12/05/2008, -2/+10I think this is ALL media hype. HYPE HYPE HYPE. Folks just can't accept that we have a president who has Caucasian roots, but is categorized as African-America.
- JenniferInMO, on 12/05/2008, -1/+9What? A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
- cmootoo, on 12/05/2008, -0/+8Sry kmom, hit the wrong "reply" link.
Reply fail - Magginkat, on 12/06/2008, -1/+8Is this going to continue for the whole 4/ 8 yrs of Obama's term(s) in office? This is taking racism & hate mongering to a whole new level. If the jokers, who are continuing this BS, really had the country's interest at heart they would have insisted that the Bush appointment by the SC 5 be set aside and the person we actually elected be sworn into office.
- inactive, on 12/05/2008, -5/+12Let's just suppose for a moment that the whole "Obama not born in US" thing was true. Not a damn thing would actually come of it because the backlash and outrage that would sweep through the country if he were removed from office would be massive.
Like it or not, this whole citizen or not story is a pointless story, even if it had any truth to it. - cmootoo, on 12/05/2008, -1/+8LOL, yup all 20 birthers that showed up are now known as crackpots publicly.
Obama divided the country...yeah right - iJesus, on 12/06/2008, -3/+10This is the first time the constitution ever mattered to these people.
Where were they the last 8 years?
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