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- Anomaly100, on 04/19/2009, -22/+98"Republican state legislators, who are behind the latest bills, want to make it illegal for anyone to get within 100 feet of a line of voters. That provision would criminalize election protection programs, in which nonpartisan volunteers make themselves available outside of polling places on Election Day to ensure that eligible voters know their legal rights and are able to cast ballots."
Remember the lines in Florida during the last election? Some people were in line all day. Good for them for exercising their right to vote no matter what! The Repub legislators are making it difficult for minorities and the elderly as well. I guess the Repubs think their status as racists, xenophobic and a propagandizing party is okay with them. If they don't change, they'll be fit for burial only. - dtr300, on 04/19/2009, -8/+58"Florida legislators should not need a court to tell them not to interfere with the right to vote." But you know they probably will.
- digg4peace, on 04/19/2009, -13/+59Good ole Florida...always keeping it interesting, no doubt the the Red half of the state will be looking for anyway they can to disenfranchise voters as it is the only way they will be flipping FLA back their way anytime soon...
- ForumDriv, on 04/19/2009, -15/+52This is a law to help prevent people from being informed of their rights. Why is it that Republicans hate the government that rescues people from floods or keeps bridges from falling into a river, but love the government that keeps people from voting?
- freedomjoe, on 04/19/2009, -11/+43Anyone who wants to have a real experience should volunteer for election protection and a Democratic campaign. I knew about voter disenfranchisement and all of that and had worked on several democratic campaigns before, but this past year I worked both election protection and Obama campaign and for some reason, I got a good look at all of the bs the Republicans were pulling. I'll never look at that party the same again.
People think this stuff doesn't go on still, but it does; police at polling stations in the south; signs up warning that if you're ever been arrested or are delinquent on child support (etc), police will be at polling station and you will be arrested. Purging voters for no reason, purging voters for not having the "Jr" after their name, purging voters for being black (basically), Democratic. poor, brown skinned, etc. Much,much more. It was horrific, really. the GOP uses voter disenfranchisement and voter suppression as a deliberate tactic to win elections. - inactive, on 04/19/2009, -23/+50From the state that gave us the worst president ever, or shall we say- the state that stole the election- and gave us the Evil Empire aka the Bush administration!
- freedomjoe, on 04/19/2009, -5/+31Because they know they lose if people vote. Heck, they even admit this and it's part of their strategy -- but they tell their little minions it's because ACORN is out to get them. Duh. Not one instance of Mickey Mouse voting-- but many arrests for GOP/RNC voter fraud, election fraud, voter disenfranchisement, voter intimidation, illegal purging, caging, etc.
(I know you know this; I'm repeating it for those who don't). - OUPablo, on 04/20/2009, -6/+28wait. its not a law that you have to have a state issued ID to vote?
- freedomjoe, on 04/19/2009, -5/+27as if they didn't pull enough of that during the last election. Purging how many voters? I think it was over 200k and then they had to be sued to allow college students to vote and there were a few other scandals-- oh, the GOP operative who committed voter fraud in Florida, California, and a few other states. yeah, Florida.
- donramses, on 04/20/2009, -9/+28Asking people to get some form of government issued ID is not the same as suppressing the vote. The way the law is right now, people can use IDs made by private nursing homes. Why should that count as gov. id?
- emaryth, on 04/20/2009, -6/+21I'm a Floridian and hell it might just be better if we don't vote at all. We only seem to ***** ***** up.
/truth - novenator, on 04/19/2009, -16/+31Disenfranchising more voters in Florida? Can't be.
- ironhide, on 04/20/2009, -6/+18Show me proof that "mickey mouse" actually cast a vote.
Bet you can't. - sockpuppets, on 04/20/2009, -1/+12Walt Disney's Head Awakens From Slumber: Scientists Baffled.
- ironhide, on 04/20/2009, -12/+23Proof? You have none.
- Duskraven, on 04/20/2009, -2/+12In Australia, it is compulsory for any citizen of voting age to vote. If we don't we get fined. Its really annoying but the government gives us lots of notice usually and the fines for forgetting are not that bad (if i recall correctly). The upside is that you have an election that registers the political views of everyone in the society not just the few that register to vote.
As a result it seems strange to me to see this sort of thing happening in the US. You guys advertise yourselves to the rest of the world as the "home of democracy" and the "land of the free" yet you have a system where only those with a vested interest in politics votes and those in power can pass laws to make it difficult for people to register to vote. It all seems very quasi-democratic to me, your government only represents the views of some in your society not all.
(also i know my grammar is *****) - ironhide, on 04/20/2009, -7/+16Try again. I said prove that "mickey mouse" CAST A VOTE.
Apparently you're illiterate. - mattw, on 04/20/2009, -2/+11Wait a minute... You don't have the freedom to abstain from voting? Say for instance you decided not to vote because you weren't informed on the issues or you didn't care, you then get fined. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
- Duskraven, on 04/20/2009, -0/+9@mattw
freedom from abstaining from voting appears (at least in the case of Florida) to cause all sorts of government interference in the democratic system. I personally believe that it is better to force people to vote (even if they dont care/know the issues as is the case with most 18 year olds) rather then have government in a position where it can affect the democratic process.
would you disagree? - sulthernao, on 04/20/2009, -3/+12Wow wtf on so many levels of idiocy.......... Just because Acorn had voter registration fraud (which they flagged before they went it to the SoS) does not mean that the SoS actually puts the fake people on ballots. Even if they did, it'd be pretty hard to vote.
- yunus, on 04/20/2009, -3/+12But the elderly in Florida big supporters of the Republicans, doesn't seem to make sense to do this for partisan purposes.
- zeebo, on 04/20/2009, -1/+9Our founding fathers had a lot of foresight, but the major thing that they failed to grasp was the role and potential power of political parties to disrupt the safeguards that they had put in place. If we had a more democratic system with approval voting, proportional representation, and a national holiday to vote on our government would be a lot healthier.
- rchargel, on 04/20/2009, -0/+8@mattw
In Brasil we also have mandatory voting laws for all citizens 18 years and over. You have the right to not vote, but you just go to the voting booth and either cast a write-in vote, or cast a no-vote ballot. People do this as a protest against all the candidates at times, but then at least their protest is recorded, and those people aren't ignored. - ironhide, on 04/20/2009, -11/+19Did any of the dupes vote? Any at all? Where is your proof?
- mescad, on 04/20/2009, -2/+9You are either right or you are wrong. If I don't vote, it doesn't matter which one you are. If I do vote, it matters a lot.
- eir574, on 04/20/2009, -8/+15You missed this part of the article:
"Kettenring said ACORN can't destroy cards, even suspicious ones -- which it flags with a sheet labeling it ''problematic.'' He said that happened in this case when the forms were submitted to Orange County, where the registrations were collected."
If they're looking to facilitate voting fraud, that's a pretty bad way to do it. - ChromaVita, on 04/20/2009, -4/+11Why is there never a positive story on the front page that takes place in Florida?
- inactive, on 04/20/2009, -3/+10Silly me, I thought this was a story about democrats in Florida always trying to disqualify absentee military votes. But, then I saw it was the New York Times and knew it had to be a crock.
- altgeeky1, on 04/20/2009, -9/+16Are you gullible enough to believe Mickey Mouse voted, or dishonest enough to imply it when you know it is not true?
- GaltShrugged, on 04/20/2009, -8/+15"In April of this year(2008) eight ACORN employees in St. Louis city and county pleaded guilty to federal election fraud for submitting bogus voter registrations."
Don't worry. If you haven't ran a simple search, I doubt the facts matter. I did find some deliciousness from the James Terry Chief Public Advocate Consumers Rights League testimony at a government Committee. I'm not going to supply links because if you're too lazy to look up the information, than you don't deserve them.
In 2003, ACORN employees in Missouri turned in more than a thousand
suspicious voter registration cards, with one woman saying a card was
turned in under the name of her infant.
2
Following Colorado‟s 2004 election, two ex-ACORN employees were
convicted of perjury for submitting false voter registration forms
3
; one ex-
ACORN employee admitted to registering her friends 40 times.
4
In 2004, police arrested a former ACORN employee who had more than 300
completed voter registration cards in the trunk of his car, many of which had
not been turned in within the legal time limit.
5
In 2005, Virginia authorities found that of a sample of Project Vote-gathered
registrations, 83% were rejected for using false or questionable information.
6
In 2007, King County, Washington officials announced the indictment of
seven workers ACORN had hired to register voters, calling the episode the
“worst case of voter registration fraud in the history of the state.”
7
At least
three of those individuals have pleaded guilty and ACORN was forced to
pay a $25,000 settlement.
8
In April 2008, federal prosecutors announced guilty pleas for federal
election fraud by eight former ACORN employees in Missouri, based on
their activities in the 2006 election. They submitted false addresses and names, as well as forged signatures. At least one former ACORN employee
was sentenced to 15 months in prison.
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ACORN was forced to announce that it would begin running background
checks on its signature gatherers in New Mexico after it was learned that
nine employees had felony criminal records
10
ranging from forgery to
identity theft to child rape.
11
In Ohio, ACORN's continuing pattern of voter registration fraud apparently
included the 73 registration cards turned in this year for just one individual.
12
The citizens of Wisconsin were among the greatest victims of ACORN's
fraud in 2008. There ACORN allegedly offered to bribe citizens with pre-
paid gasoline cards or restaurant gift cards to induce them to register. Further
voter registration problems include apparently falsified drivers license
numbers, Social Security numbers, and similar personal information. By the
end of August, Milwaukee's Election Commission Executive Director had
referred over 49 individuals to prosecutors for suspected voter registration
fraud — of them, 37 were ACORN employees.
Durham County, North Carolina‟s elections officials asked for an
investigation of dozens of cards submitted by ACORN. One was for a
fourteen-year-old boy.
14
Since then, the problems associated with ACORN‟s voter efforts only continued:
In October, Michigan authorities held Antonio Johnson for six counts of
forging applications for two women.
15
Meanwhile, ACORN continued its
efforts to expand the franchise to our youth, turning in a voter registration
form for a seven-year-old girl in Connecticut.
16
In November, former ACORN employee Jemar Barksdale pleaded guilty to
charges of forgery, identity theft, and tampering with public records in
Delaware County, Pennsylvania in November.
17
Of the 18 existing voters for
whom Barksdale turned in fraudulent forms, six were elderly and one
attends a facility for the mentally disabled.
18
In January, Missouri officials indicted former ACORN employee Deidre
Humphrey for allegedly submitting forged and false voter registration cards,
including those for nursing home residents. - eir574, on 04/20/2009, -8/+14No, I'm saying that they can't destroy the cards AND that they marked them as problematic.
I don't know about other states, but in mine, you put your signature on a register next to your name when you vote. There would be no way to get back in line and vote again on a duplicate registration.
"Again the issue is that they used fraudulent measures to register voters, and the current president benefited from it immensely,"
And what we're saying is that registration fraud does not necessarily lead to voter fraud. The fact that ACORN went through the trouble of flagging potentially fraudulent registrations seems to indicate that they weren't in fact trying to push them through in order to facilitate actual voter fraud. If that was their goal, they would have been better off saying nothing.
"they have been accused of fraud in Washington "
ACORN as an organization was not charged with fraud in Washington. Several ACORN workers were. There's a big difference. As a result, though, ACORN agreed to improved monitoring of its registration efforts. Some of the ACORN employees who were convicted of voter registration fraud said they spent their time sitting in libraries making up names and addresses, or just pulling them out of the phone book. That sounds like a coordinated effort to earn money for relatively little effort, not a rock solid plan for committing voter fraud.
I absolutely support charging those workers who commit registration fraud with a crime, and I support any measures that will make it harder for that fraud to happen so long as they don't put an unreasonable burden on those who wish to register to vote. I think it's ridiculous, however, to say that submitting duplicate registration forms was a good strategy for facilitating voter fraud, as it's not easy to turn registration fraud into voter fraud. Certainly registering the same person twice or registering a fake person is a poor way to go about doing that. - Anachronus, on 04/20/2009, -4/+10Good for Florida. Voting should not be easy. There has been too much fraud going on by both parties in the last decade, made simpler by lax standards.
- CaptOblivious, on 04/20/2009, -4/+10***** !right republican idiots, get your head out of fox news ass, there was NO fraud that was not PROPERLY reported by acorn as required by law, investigated as required by law and properly handled AS REQUIRED BY LAW.
There was nothing that would affect the actual election, the law got to the bottom of the problem, the appropriate people were punished and no vote fraud occurred. And yet you "people" continue to insist that it's why you lost.
I have news, your party LOST because you are so completely disconnected from reality that enough of your followers looked at you and said, "Wow! Um, No I don't think so, not any more."
As far as the race card being old and worn, You're still using it. Deciding to disfranchise voters based on their race IS playing the race card you mouth breathing moron.
Until you stop thinking of other people as "THEM" you will remain a worthless, useless, good for nothing, waste of skin and air RACIST and we will KNOW you are as worthless as you fear you are. - celotil, on 04/20/2009, -1/+7mattw,
We go to a voting place, usually set up at a local school or church, get our names checked off for turning up to vote, receive the relevant paper slips, and scurry into a booth where a pencil is provided.
While in that booth we make up our minds who to, or not, vote for.
For example, on the recent state election ballots in Queensland you could place a tick next to who you wanted to lead, or number them, 1 to 4 or 1 to 5, I forget cause I paid the minimum amount of attention, in order to set your preferences.
You also have the option to draw in another box and write, "***** these arseholes!", and tick it, or do nothing. Drop the slip into the ballot box without even looking at it if you like.
As long as you turn up, that's the important bit. - glitchbit, on 04/20/2009, -4/+10A) Be harassed by Obamabots, and or Ron Paul fanatics
B) Pass legislation that forces them to stand 100 feet from me
When people show up to the polls they've made up their minds and all those supporters are doing are discouraging people from going out to vote. So yea I agree with this "suppressing the vote" law in Florida. - rchargel, on 04/20/2009, -0/+5pjr12345
Please provide CREDIBLE sources. FOX is not a credible source. - celotil, on 04/20/2009, -0/+5I guess you missed the news report that had me chuckling when I caught it over here after the 2000, AND the 2004 US elections.
Apparently, there were quite a few people who were confused by the How To Vote pamplets being handed out by various party affiliates. Instead of reading the pamphlet as an example - "If you'd like to vote for Candidate A, tick Candidate A's box" - they read it as they HAD to vote as the pamphlet showed, exactly.
Then again, I've had a few face palm moments myself encountering local voters confused by the same thing.
Say Lah Vee (however it's spelled).
As for the government issued ID thing, maybe not all registered voters have a drivers license? I don't. - Alphabet, on 04/20/2009, -5/+10instigator24 thinks someone will wait 4 hours in line with a pictured ID with the name "Micky Mouse" to cast a vote. Lol, fail, no one can be this stupid.
- pjr12345, on 04/20/2009, -14/+19Leave it to the NY Slimes to offer a defense for allowing voter intimidation on election day, and for enabling voter registration fraud. Only the most feeble-minded, or a partisan hack actually believes the election day workers are "nonpartisan" or any of the other sleazy explanations they put forth to enable the theft of elections.
- DivisibleByZero, on 04/20/2009, -0/+5I don't get the "48 hours to file a form" rule. But then again, I don't understand why people need third party voter registration drives either. It's really not that hard to fill out the required paperwork and send it in yourself.
- inactive, on 04/20/2009, -1/+6I've always found it annoying that if we were to give up that if we were to give up a single, unimportant freedom (not voting) we could gain so much justice in our government. Unfortunately our legislator still thinks that that is an essential liberty, while all of the other things they ban us from doing are not.
- dattaway, on 04/20/2009, -4/+9I believe the legislature is doing the right thing by requiring a state approved ID and limiting access to the voters and workers. What this has to do with any party doesn't have a firm grasp on logic.
- lisaawesome, on 04/20/2009, -0/+4In Oklahoma I've never been asked for an ID when I go to vote. I give some old guy or old lady my name and they hand me a ballot.
- Bartboy919, on 04/20/2009, -1/+5POLAND!
- TheSkunkMonkey, on 04/20/2009, -2/+6No matter how much you bitch and moan, Fraudulent Voter Registration != Fraudulent Votes.
Register a billion phony people for all I care, they aren't going to show up and vote! - austroLogi, on 04/20/2009, -15/+19That article is one way of looking at it... the other way of looking at it is preventing groups like ACORN intimidating voters and preventing them from perpetuating MORE voter fraud. Also ensuring that legitimate ID's are used is an important part of ensuring an accurate vote even if it brings additional "hardship" which of course is the main concern of liberal democrats.... not their massive illegal vote scams.
- eagee, on 04/20/2009, -0/+4What are you guys afraid of? Poor people voting, or what? Seriously, ACORN was cleared - I can't even believe you guys are still talking about this one. Is that really all you've got? Kind of pathetic - grasping at straws like that.
- macmcraeart, on 04/20/2009, -1/+5yep - negative space. she has an incredibly pointy ass though.
- nicc, on 04/20/2009, -0/+4no ID needed in VA either.
- Elranzer, on 04/20/2009, -0/+3He means how the decision on Florida's electoral votes gave us George W Bush by force, even though Gore won the election.
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