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- normlsparky, on 05/11/2009, -133/+1330Calling creationism nonsense is not discrimination. Creationism is nonsense. It isn't backed up by any scientific theories or principles. Keep creationism out of public schools. If you want to learn that crap, go to church.
- cersad, on 05/11/2009, -34/+461So sarcasm about "jesus glasses" is okay, but a comment about the scientific invalidity of creationism is NOT? There's something seriously wrong with this court verdict, especially when you consider that creationism is the one theory that is wholly refuted by a massive body of empirical evidence.
Yet somehow it was the most factual statement this guy made that got him in trouble? - Mtown, on 05/11/2009, -22/+323Since there seems to be a lot of Creationists viewing/commenting on this, I thing this is the perfect place to bring this up.
There are obviously a lot of Creationists out there and they can't all just think, "God created everything. End of story". They have to base it on some science. It's always intrigued me why Creationists still persist even with overwhelming evidence that the earth is very old or that things evolve in some way. So, to any Creationists out there, could you please answer me these following questions based on the creationist theory? I'd really like to know.
Carbon dating: Carbon dating can date objects back to times before creationists claim the universe even existed. How is this possible?
Continents: Fossil records show that the earth's continents were at one time connected. We can also measure how fast the continents are moving apart/together now. Why do these modern movement speeds do not match up with the Creationists' supposed age of the earth? (basically, the continents would have to move way faster in order for them to be attached to each other at the time creationists say the earth was created.)
Dinosaurs: Dinosaurs were not mentioned in the bible, yet their fossils obviously exist. How did they die out? Also, how the hell did Adam, Eve, and all the other early people survive with dinosaurs running around? In a match of Adam vs. T-rex, I'm pretty sure the T-rex would win. And how did these things fossilize so quickly?
Asteroids Impacts: There are massive craters on this planet that are located near where early people (in the bible) would have been living. How did these impacts not get recorded like Noah's flood, and how were these people not destroyed by the impact blast itself?
Age: In Genesis (or something) it states that Adam, (or possibly some other important religious figures) lived ridiculously long lives. How come even with our modern medicine, we can barely manage to live 1/6th as long as some of those ages? (600+ years)
Viruses: From what I understand, most Creationists think Evolution is all crap. It can't be observed and the standard method of evolution (gene mutations) usually tend to be bad. But viruses have been observed to evolve, and some of the mutations the viruses randomly get turn out to be beneficial to the virus (allowing it to attack and infect more hosts). Why do Creationists think that this is impossible for living organisms?
I can probably think up more, but if you could just give me the creationist answer for those, that would be great. Thanks. - emailowndme, on 05/11/2009, -42/+326This teacher went overboard.
Also, this kid would last about 3 minutes in my chemistry class, but that's chemistry, not a history class.
What the teacher really should have done, was talk about how Christianity and Islam ruined 2 otherwise industrious groups of people.
Arab Countries were on the cusp of Calculus right before they all went haywire with the Crusades.
Christianity, and the search for heretics in their ranks, rooted out and killed every scientist, author, and philosopher who argued with their beliefs for about 3-400 years.
I mean hell, even the original settlers of America were considered heretical Christians, and would surely have been 'Purged' had they not left, slightly different circumstances, it was after the whole Henry the 8th debacle. One Daughter protestant and one Catholic. Catholic Daughter, Bloody Mary, took the throne and killed all the protestants she could find, then her sister took the thrown, and killed all the Catholics, then these Hugonaughts came into the country, who were neither Anglican or Catholic, and well, they woulda been dead pretty fast.
Think about it, the same form of Christianity that made the US, started in the Netherlands... - Crazysticks, on 05/11/2009, -24/+304I don't know why I'm being Dugg down for this. I'm just making an observation, the kid is from one of the most progressive states in terms of hot button issues that piss off christians , California, and he is religious. His teacher is atheist and he records hours of video IN CLASS, and the attorney tries to say he was just trying to get prepared for class? If he really cared about the subject matter he would go to the principle. It would take 15 minutes to either 1. Have the teacher talked to, or 2. be transfered to a new class. All he wanted to do was sack his atheist teacher, simply because he was atheist.
- Crazysticks, on 05/11/2009, -72/+330"It's extremely hard to get teachers fired" -Chad
"We have hours and hours of audiotapes" -attorney
"He was trying to just get prepared for this class" -attorney
Yeah, i'm sure he was trying to just learn. I'm also sure that it must be frustrating growing up as a christian in california with all the Marijuana and Gay Marriage laws changing, let alone the trend towards non-religious belief. - richIsBored, on 05/11/2009, -17/+253I'm curious to know how this ended up in court. If I had a grievance with a teacher, I'd take it up with the principal first. There is no mention of any attempt to do so in this video or the linked article.
- Conlan, on 05/11/2009, -25/+242But... it is nonsense..
- jetmax25, on 05/11/2009, -32/+246THIS IS GREAT!!!!!
Step 1: take extra class next summester i dont need
Step 2: On every test, paper, assighment ext credit everything in the world and all answers to the great flying spaguetti monster
Step 3: when proffeser tells me im wrong sue him for bashing my beliefs
Step 4: Gold Jerry Gold !!!!!!! - Crazysticks, on 05/11/2009, -23/+213So you have no desire to be like the happiest nations on the planet?
http://www.forbes.com/2009/05/05/world-happiest-pl ...
"Nations marked by high levels of organic atheism (such as Sweden or the Netherlands) are among the
healthiest, wealthiest, best educated, and freest societies on earth." - Phil Zuckerman, Ph.D. - rpwalsh, on 05/11/2009, -11/+179Awesome, so as a Ph.D. student in Biology when I tell my students in Biology class that creationism is utter crap I can get sued. Hemlock anyone?
Teaching creationism in a biology classroom is equivalent to teaching alchemy in a chemistry class. "Theories" which have absolutely no scientific evidence do not belong in the classroom. This country will crumble if we don't fight the stupidity of the masses.
Although I'm sure I am completely wasting my breath, let me try to explain this to all of you creationists. We have the scientific method. The idea of this method is that in order for one to answer a question you formulate a hypothesis as to what you believe may happen. The experiment to test whether the hypothesis is supported must be able to be replicated. By the very nature of your (creationists) argument, you can not test or replicate anything. Answering every question with "God did it" takes us back to the dark ages. If you are truly a creationist you should move to the woods and reject all modern conveniences because guess what, nearly every modern convenience was made possible because someone questioned why something worked instead of simply saying, "well God made it this way."
In no other field are people with absolutely no education in the field given as much credence as those who have spent their lives studying it. Go ahead America, turn your back on science, lets see where that gets you. - justsomedigger, on 05/11/2009, -12/+168thats sort of the point of the article.. but not exactly how you worded it. he should have kept creationism and his thoughts and opinions about it out of the classroom. im totally for keeping religion out of schools (unless of course its part of the curriculum) but in order to do that it must be fair. you cant bash it, or support it.. you must completely avoid it..
- jetmax25, on 05/11/2009, -2/+156SPELLING MISTAKES ARE PART OF MY RELIGIOUS BELIEFS
- stevedriskill, on 05/11/2009, -11/+142From the video: "How do you get the peasants to vote against their own interests? Religion!"
Im surprised Fox let that secret out of the bag on air. - mithrasinvictus, on 05/11/2009, -18/+142Creationism IS fairytale *****, but i can see how "when you put on your jesus glasses you can't see the truth" could be offensive to christian students.
Treat others as you would have them treat you, works for everyone. - snkscore, on 05/11/2009, -18/+135You can't rationalize with irrational people.
It's like trying to teach a dog calculus. - sodade, on 05/11/2009, -26/+141Only with religion can a teacher be prosecuted for telling the truth.
You do not deserve acceptance or tolerance if you believe in fairy tales. - srs2000, on 05/11/2009, -45/+152... Creationism -IS- superstitious nonsense.
So is the bible and every other religious text. The bible is full of ridiculousness. Fairy tales have as much credibility as what is in the bible.
93% of scientists in the American National Academy of Sciences are atheist or agnostic. Hmm.. Why would 93% of highly educated and intelligent scientists feel that way?
Even the VATICAN agrees with evolution.
I think that everything gained from science and watching viruses evolve should be off limits to those who don't believe in it. When you get sick.. GO PRAY. I'll go fill my prescription for drugs created by ways you say don't exist. We will see if your God wants you to die. - Langbot, on 05/11/2009, -5/+104I'm seriously puzzled how Americans thinks this is OK. If someone offends you, why do you get their money? That's so ***** up.
- Crazysticks, on 05/11/2009, -13/+109He could have went to the principal and complained that the teacher was expressing too much opinion, but instead he chose to be 'that guy' and form a attention grabbing lawsuit.
- buddamus, on 05/11/2009, -13/+96Religion has no place in the classroom, creationism has no place in our society
- inactive, on 05/11/2009, -10/+88Evolution and the Big Bang are NOT related theories. As for the rest of your rant, you seem to have the scientific knowledge of a third grader.
- siszam, on 05/11/2009, -15/+90I'm a socialist and a Christian. Jesus taught socialist ideals of taking care of the poor and loving people more than money. Socialism isn't trying to kill Christianity. Fake Christians who worship money and twist Gods word are making people want nothing to do with God. Look at the hate toward Christians since Bush started mass murdering people and handing out corporate welfare.
- normlsparky, on 05/11/2009, -5/+80Her who? The student and the teacher were both male.
- NinjaDolemite, on 05/11/2009, -15/+89The teacher went overboard. But he was also right. Man, I wish that guy was my teacher. Would've been nice to have an alternative to the FCA ***** i was subjected to.
at the "victim" : Grow a pair. I couldn't even watch all of this video because that spineless coward irritated me so much. Christians are such pussies. The minute they have to hear that their religion maybe, just maybe, is ***** they cry discrimination. - Minters, on 05/11/2009, -23/+95Im atheist and Im actually on the kids side. Religion is a fantasy concocted several thousand years ago that has somehow managed to survive (albeit at diminished levels) despite overwhelming scientific evidence that disproves it. However, there is a time, there is a place and there is a MUCH better way to get your point across than the way this teacher did. The kid may be misguided, but the teacher sounded like an ass.
That said, why the hell was there a lawsuit over this? Money grabbing little *****. - ratherstupid, on 05/11/2009, -17/+88That kid is an idiot.
- lelandrogers, on 05/11/2009, -20/+91Sarcasm?
- ahhell, on 05/11/2009, -3/+72How the ***** can you make so many spelling mistakes when the damn site has an auto spell check??
Summester?? Really? - theOster, on 05/11/2009, -7/+75you prob don't need to comment the story's description...
- inactive, on 05/11/2009, -5/+72If you could reason with religious people there wouldn't be any religious people.
- House - sodade, on 05/11/2009, -21/+86"They have to base it on some science."
Huh? You don't get it. Science is the enemy. The fairy tale people are celebrating their victory here, don't go complicating matters by actually trying to think! - covertbadger, on 05/11/2009, -3/+67"Treat others as you would have them treat you, works for everyone."
As long as you don't know any masochists. - CoolBlue12, on 05/11/2009, -8/+71I think i'll start suing everyone who pisses me off.
- yuutokun, on 05/11/2009, -50/+113Even as a staunch non religious person I found this quite appalling.
A high school teacher working for the state has no right to spout such biased ideology.
He should focus on the facts and stick to European History without the commentary. - Unipuma, on 05/11/2009, -4/+66Interesting... DNA was much purer back then?
This is exactly what is wrong with religion: It will attack science at every point where it is said that not all answers have been found, every gap that is found immediately is proof that science is incorrect and therefor a god must have done it.
On the other hand, religion will boldly state something as a fact without any proof, but instead will use that statement as the proof that it is right.
It is kind of like saying 1+1 = 3, and proclaiming this to be true, because it is written down (in this comment). - aussieNickuss, on 05/11/2009, -30/+90***** you....you devout Christians are such a hypocritical bunch of *****. The things this teacher said was nothing compared to the hate and vitriol you people spout about other religions, atheists, gays and abortionists.
- seefresh, on 05/11/2009, -10/+69I believe in evolution. But, I come from a southern Baptist family that taught me all the arguments for such questions. I'll do my best to answer as they would:
1) Carbon dating has only been used for (I don't recall, but around a couple hundred years or so?) so we have no comparison point to something that we are 100% sure is millions of year old. We don't know if natural disasters or if carbon dating speeds up or slows down at some point in the process.
2) Is there any reason to believe that they have been moving at the same constant speed forever? Christians put a lot of emphasis on Noah's flood and some other Biblical events saying these could have shaped the earth differently in just a few years.
3) The Bible does mention dinosaurs a couple times so Christians believe we lived alongside them for a while. They also don't claim to know exactly what killed them off, but claim it was probably Noah's flood and the two dinosaurs that made it on board were probably just alligators or something. I mean, who wants to put a T Rex on their boat??
4) sodom and gomorrah is the first one that comes to mind. I'm sure there are more examples of God's wrath in the old testament though.
5) Don't remember this one. Something about moisture in the air before the flood or something like that. It doesn't really make sense.
6) Using viruses as a comparison to humans is something that just can't be realized by Christians for the most part. I believe the argument would probably be along the lines of "Viruses are just little cell things, they are nothing like humans. Humans have souls and stuff." - Langford, on 05/11/2009, -7/+65There is no money in going to the principal.
- Langbot, on 05/11/2009, -17/+75That little pussy bitch kid needs to harden the ***** up.
- dowelly, on 05/11/2009, -13/+68Chad is a bit of a retard
- einrobstein, on 05/11/2009, -2/+56Gay people are created by God too.
- lelandrogers, on 05/11/2009, -7/+61Evolution talks about how life adapts.
Big bang talks about how life came to be.
Evolution can work with/without the big bang.
Big Bang does not equal "something coming from nothing". That is where the third grader insult came from. Anyone who says that shows they have no idea what they are talking about.
So I wont belittle you but I will let you know you are off on your facts.
Also a "little EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE" is more than no evidence. I find it ironic that you follow that statement up with "but we want to believe it" because that is exactly what creationism is. It's only right to you because you want to believe it.
Don't force it on my children unless you have facts. - kmoed, on 05/11/2009, -24/+77Nice post. The Bible is a fairy tale, but you will never convince people that believe in it otherwise. There's really no point in even trying to. Look at all the nutbags around the world killing themselves over made up belief systems.
The world will be at peace when all religion is wiped from it, which will unfortunately never happen. - inactive, on 05/11/2009, -1/+52i am in a religion that believes elephants are, in fact, reptiles
i am suing my 5th grade biology teacher
***** you mr fisher - liamfriel, on 05/11/2009, -7/+57I totally agree with you - such a simple point but I completely missed it.
DUGG UP! - bitterbug, on 05/11/2009, -1/+49@schlef
It gets even better when you think of it this way.
God creates Adam and Eve. They have no concept of right and wrong.
Meanwhile there is this tree in the garden, whose fruit gives you knowledge of good and evil. God says "Hey you two, don't eat this."
Of course Adam and Eve, not having any knowledge of good and evil have the basic moral compass of a two year old - you want what you want.
Somehow the all-seeing, all-powerful God doesn't notice a talking snake slithering about in his garden, despite the fact that he not only created the universe, but he created the snake, the devil, etc. and somehow tolerates the existence of the devil.
The talking snake manages to convince Eve to take a bite from the apple pretty easily, because hey, if you tell a two year old to go steal Mom's jell-o from the fridge, they're going to come back with jell-o.
And God, omnipotent being that he is, throws the blame on the Adam and Eve rather than himself, the devil, or the snake, because obviously if a two year old does something that they do not know is wrong you punish them for eternity.
So really, any argument based on that lovely bit of biblical nonsense doesn't hold up. - inactive, on 05/11/2009, -5/+53This teacher went seriously overboard, but something strikes me here. If it were the other way around, if the teacher had been yammering about God and whatnot, I don't think it'd get the same spin on Fox News. Undoubtedly they'd start going on about how the teacher's faith is under attack and whatnot.
- AmaDaden, on 05/11/2009, -2/+49I agree with all of this but this guy was being a jerk about it. If we are going to convince people that they need to use logic we can not sit there and just bash on them day after day. It only pisses people off and makes them defend baseless ideas harder. Put forth your views on occasion using logic and kindness and then leave the issue alone. No one listens to an ass hole even if he is right.
- random90210, on 05/11/2009, -4/+50It was European history, you can't just completely avoid it.
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