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- inactive, on 04/19/2009, -2/+32Baltasar Garzón is a man with guts - I'm fairly sure he did the Pinochet case too.
- digg4peace, on 04/19/2009, -4/+25Bravo!
- charm803, on 04/20/2009, -5/+21It is sad that Spain is the one holding Bush accountable.
I support Garzón's actions, although it's pretty sad when it comes to this day and age when our own country won't do it.
What are we, a bunch of pansies? - freedomjoe, on 04/19/2009, -5/+19Good news!
- inactive, on 04/20/2009, -14/+26I laugh every time I see this sort of article:
because the same people who approve are the people who:
A. Usually believe some world body is trying to take over American sovereignty, like the Illuminati
B. Fanatically support Obama even though he doesn't plan to do squat about it himself
C. Probably don't realize in Spain celebrity seeking judges like Garzon are a norm
D. Probably think this judgment actually means something in the real world - johnwes16, on 04/20/2009, -4/+12No one suspects the Spanish...
- digbird, on 04/20/2009, -3/+9I'd love to see people's reactions when Obama sends the troops into Somalia or some other place, and someone accuses him of being a "war criminal" and seeks his indictment for "war crimes." Why do I think a lot of people here will be singing an entirely different tune about "meddling Spanish"?
Regarding people applauding the Spanish judge for ignoring the recommendations of the prosecutors, I wonder how people would have reacted back in 1998 if Janet Reno or a member of the Supreme Court had stated that Ken Starr should stop investigating Clinton, and if Starr had ignored him. Somehow, I doubt that people would be applauding Ken Starr for his "integrity." Instead, we'd be hearing vehement denunciations of a "rogue investigation."
Finally, the American citizens who are cheering the intrusion of some Spanish judge into America are showing that things like "democracy" don't mean that much to them. The fact that the American people have clearly indicated that they don't want Bush Administration officials prosecuted (something that Obama, the duly elected leader of the country, has endorsed) doesn't matter at all to them...If they can overturn the will of the American people by supporting what the Spanish judge is trying, they're all for it ... which speaks volumes about their lack of respect for American legal and political system. - charm803, on 04/20/2009, -2/+8Are you forgetting that Bush himself detained people without charging them?
We lost the right to tell others what to do when we didn't do what we should have done. - orubinstein, on 04/20/2009, -8/+14In the light of this news, it's helpful to read this story from the past:
http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2007-12/200 ...
It basically says the following:
A Spanish court has rejected a bid to have Cuban leader Fidel Castro charged in the deaths of nine prisoners in Cuba during the 1961 Bay of Pigs invasion.
The court in Madrid ruled Thursday that Mr. Castro is the Cuban head of state and, therefore, immune from prosecution in Spain.
Now why not apply the same rules to the US?
Why is the law different for the US and for Cuba?
Why is Spain worried about people who are not even Spanish citizens when they refuse to act on the death of his own citizen? - offrdbandit, on 04/20/2009, -4/+9I can't boycott Spain. What would I do without my... uh.. ummm....
Never mind. - JohnFour, on 04/20/2009, -2/+7Inquisition
- JackSchittt, on 04/20/2009, -5/+10Thank you, Lukas. It's good to know that I'm not the only one who realizes this is nothing but a publicity stunt that will have absolutely no effect outside of getting the judge's name in a few newspapers.
- jpsoraire, on 04/20/2009, -1/+6"No one is above the law" - President Barack Hussein Obama. On specifically this issue, I only wish he acted on what he says rather than to just say it.
- ralph12c41, on 04/20/2009, -1/+5Better haul all the Democrats who supported the President over to Spain.. Going to need a very large court room. Nancy Pelosi pack your bags, you were briefed more times than the New York Times wants to report. Call Jane Harmon your fellow Californian on the Intel committee,since she is up to her eyeballs in this.
- offrdbandit, on 04/20/2009, -5/+9Anyone that buries you has their head in the sand (or maybe up their own ass - it's tough to say for sure which).
- CaptOblivious, on 04/20/2009, -2/+6We SHOULD be doing it here but it appears that the unrestrained "data collection activities" of the NSA has given the perpaTRAITORs in the government enough dirt on the rest of the people in our government that they are afraid to stand up and enforce the laws of our country.
- leahcim, on 04/20/2009, -2/+6Head of State doctrine in international law only applys to current or former head of states. IE Bush himself. Many courts throughout the world have said the doctrine does not apply to officials. Easiest answer I can give at the moment.
- saranagati, on 04/20/2009, -0/+4inkswamp, maybe you should look up the definition of "all"? I'm in the same situation as hulkhelton... had I have been spending my money on things i couldn't afford, i would be in a better position than I am now. As for expanding the war, last i heard he was shipping off even more troops to the middle east, maybe not iraq but this 'war' was never about iraq.
- theskillwithin, on 04/20/2009, -1/+5Kinda ***** because the people they are trying to convict wont be in attendance to the trial, on account that they are in America not spain.
- brickbat, on 04/20/2009, -2/+6You said killing - not leaving permanent injuries and you just made up the thing about shocking the immune system.
- ordago, on 04/20/2009, -0/+3For all of you who want to know more about the judge:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltasar_Garzón - buckrogers1965, on 04/20/2009, -1/+4At least they are giving them a trail. And they are free to show up for the event as well. Nobody is stopping them from going to the trial in Spain.
- billraydrums, on 04/20/2009, -1/+4Most politicians are bought & paid for right out of the box. Why is Obama any different? Hey I'm glad he's the president but again, politicians have a hefty price tag. And there are those who can afford them.
- inactive, on 04/20/2009, -7/+10It is interesting that obama has expanded the war, not done squat about torture, and has filled his cabinet with the same finance ***** who ***** the system up in the first place, and proposed a health care bill that is nothing more than a private insurance payoff, but still love him for all of it...
- woodrow8292, on 04/20/2009, -0/+3So basically all of you who are calling for the U.S to stop being the police of the world are now applauding Spain for doing the exact same thing.
How exactly is Spain involved in this anyways? Nothing happened in Spain that is in this case, so they just think that their justice system is now the end all for handing out justice in the world. Get real. Grow up this is nothing more than grandstanding by publicity starved politicians. - buckrogers1965, on 04/20/2009, -1/+4Funny thing about crimes against humanity. They can be judged by any jurisdiction and have no statute of limitation. The alleged Nazi was just extradited from America to Israel to stand trail for war crimes in Germany that happened 60 years ago.
- brickbat, on 04/20/2009, -3/+6I think over a month you could cut someone with a razor blade 1000 times without killing them. Or how about electric shocks. What about drilling into your teeth and gums. You don't have enough imagination. There are probably thousands of ways.
- charm803, on 04/20/2009, -2/+5What a show!
- theneweddie, on 04/20/2009, -3/+6Spain is not prosecuting Obama , which would be the analogous situation.
- saranagati, on 04/20/2009, -0/+3digg is so ***** confusing now days... if you disagree with bush you're an obamabot and if you disagree with obama you're a republican god freak. What about the people who disagree with both of them however only mention one of them because the article is about that one?
- inactive, on 04/20/2009, -2/+5The Constitution is a "suggestion"? Are you serious? The Constitution is the supreme law of the United States, I suggest that you go re-read your history book for every major Supreme Court case and then come back and tell me that the Constitution is just a "suggestion". Stop trying to use your internet knowledge to combat hundreds of years of American history. I'm no fan of the government, but what you are saying is flat out false. As for the executive branch being above the law, what's your source for that? I do remember two US presidents being impeached and one resigning on threat of impeachment and humiliation. You are a left-wing radical who does not have the slightest clue to the history of the United States and instead love to spew mindless comments out of your ass.
- korvins, on 04/20/2009, -1/+3Spain has been accused by International Amnistia to have laws such as incommunication for several days and others, that permit the torture in practice.
Also they have illegalized 6 political parties and closed three popular newspapers in the last years just to fight terrorists (you can't see the relation? me either). For example, the main party in Spain got the government in the basque country, thanks to illegalizing the third most voted political party. I wish someone would condemn them for that...
Just like in China or Russia. - brickbat, on 04/20/2009, -5/+7Who the ***** are you to kidnap people from other countries, hide them in secret prisons, and torture them.
- digbird, on 04/20/2009, -5/+7@orubstein
Props to you for bringing this up. If the Spanish judge was pursuing people like Castro and the Bush Administration officials, I still wouldn't agree with what he's doing, but at least he'd be being consistent. Instead, the fact that he's doing this shows that he "weeps from the left eye." - garp82, on 04/20/2009, -0/+2a case like this definitely raises interesting issues about the role of a foreign court in considering domestic decisions. will obama et al take that into account moving forward? i'm thinking, probably not.
- brickbat, on 04/20/2009, -2/+4I was going to offer a logical argument about everyone having the right to a fair trial but I changed my mind.
STFU and go back to ***** your sister you stupid hillbilly *****. - inactive, on 04/20/2009, -0/+2No. They are ALL bought and paid for ESPECIALLY obama.
You have to learn to stop paying any attention to what any corporate media outlet says, and watch what happens. When you can do that you will be immune to political advertising just like they sell you soap. - inactive, on 04/20/2009, -6/+8LYNCH THEM! What a sorry bunch of so-called Americans, to hate their own country so much that they would side with terrorists. The so-called "human rights lawyer," Gonzalo Boya, who brought this case, is a radical leftist who spent nearly eight years in a Spanish prison for collaborating with terrorists. He wants payback, and he apparently has had no problem finding plenty of traitorous American liberals who want to embarrass their own country.
- markgl, on 04/20/2009, -5/+7Who the ***** is Spain to try people from our country.
- leahcim, on 04/20/2009, -0/+2I have no logic, it was just a simple statement of facts.
International law has a very old doctrine called "Head of State." All it says is that the head of a state (king, president, dictator, whoever is internationally recongized as the head of state) cannot be sued in a state's court. I was just explaining why Spain wouldn't allow Fidel to be sued in their courts, but the "Bush 6" could be.
For example, if you sued Sarkozy in the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York, the judge would likely throw it out based on "Head of state" doctrine.
If you sued the under minister of finance of France in that same district court, and met other burdens required to sue a foreign citizen, your lawsuit would go through. - mrbuddy, on 04/22/2009, -0/+2Hey, the Prime minister of Canada will have a 2nd chance to arrest Bush and turn him over to the world court?? Wouldn't that be a great sceen. We all need to e-mail the Prime minister Harper!!
- Napiertt, on 04/20/2009, -1/+2According to a number of reports, including by the U.S army, the most powerful recruiting tool of jihadists was Abu Gharib and Guantanamo. More terrorists were created than killed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly82Kc1H6Fw - jarrielsusio, on 04/20/2009, -1/+2 He did the Pinochet case too.
As for Korvins, feel free to request a trial for Spain if you are so sure about what you are saying :-) - Skywise, on 04/20/2009, -2/+3I bet you support them going after Obama now too...
- saranagati, on 04/20/2009, -2/+3what makes you think that the american people don't want the bush administration prosecuted? The only poll i saw regarding it was 'do you think it would be good for the nation if the bush administration was prosecuted.' That has nothing to do with whether people want him prosecuted because obviously it's not going to be good for the country. Had the poll of been 'do you think it would be bad for the nation if the bush administration was prosecuted', the results would have been very different.
For the last two elections (congress and presidential), the democrats have one on the platform of they should try the bush administration for their wrong doings. - Napiertt, on 04/20/2009, -1/+2Things like torture go beyond local jurisdiction. Also the U.S. is a signatory to international conventions prohibiting torture and human rights abuses
- markgl, on 04/20/2009, -1/+2Oh my. Stop your killing me.
- madtechnologist, on 04/20/2009, -4/+5I agree, I don't think Bush should be persecuted for trying to keep the country safe.
- facttech, on 04/20/2009, -1/+2This is incorrect. Polls have consistently shown public support for investigations into Bush administration wrongdoing, as well as prosecutions when warranted. See: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-02-11 ... as a recent example. Our representatives have consistently ignored this public support for their own reasons.
"Democracy" only means "mob rule" without a strong foundation of law that is enforced at all levels of our society, including our leaders. Part of the law that applies here is the Convention Against Torture, an international treaty that we were influential in putting in place, and that compels criminal investigations by treaty members in this case. The first obligation is ours, but if we fail to live up to it (as we have thus far), the obligation falls on all other treaty member countries to perform investigations in our stead.
Spain -- if it is serious -- is doing the right thing here, and if you don't understand that, it is you who has no respect for the American legal and political system. -
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