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- ChristPissed, on 04/26/2008, -31/+408christo-fascism is one of the most morally and spiritually depraved forms of religious expression, and it is a clear and present danger to these United States and her Constitution.
- grungegbunny, on 04/26/2008, -43/+311Christians love to hate.
- barkus, on 04/26/2008, -4/+227"Punished for not being Christian like the founding fathers." I wonder what the founding fathers would say about that.
- TonyLocNE, on 04/26/2008, -12/+167Did anyone bother to tell the Major that our Founding Fathers were indeed Deists and not Christians?
- lacreme, on 04/26/2008, -10/+163fighting a war over religion is basically killing each other to see who has the better imaginary friend.
threatening a fellow soldier over religion is like pissing on your friend because he doesn't believe in your imaginary friend. - inactive, on 04/26/2008, -29/+153"I spent 8 years in the military and was never once harassed or forced to attend a religious service of any kind. I hate these kinds of ultra-liberal biased stories. They're trying to do nothing more than drum up controversy where there is none. They're no better than Rush Limbaugh spreading his conservative ingorant agenda."
Do you have a notion what Liberal actually means? - Fizban140, on 04/26/2008, -1/+122"Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear."
"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent."
"Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law."
We may never know. - inactive, on 04/26/2008, -10/+119The number of women who are raped or abused by their husbands is also statistically tiny compared to the total population. Let's not talk about that either.
- ThetaDot, on 04/26/2008, -1/+98I will be commissioning as a 2LT next December, am an atheist, and am not going to take crap from anybody. Props to Specialist Hall for standing up for himself.
- highlyhigh, on 04/26/2008, -13/+103its been a long proven fact that army is full of dimwits. in fact, the whole world is...
- indiancompanion, on 04/26/2008, -5/+87discrimination in the army? really?, I for one am shocked
- piratearggghhh, on 04/26/2008, -10/+91Everyone in the military should just declare that they're both aethist and gay just to ***** with the idiots in charge.
- djcreamy, on 04/26/2008, -1/+76In Navy bootcamp (2005) I was not allowed to put "Atheist" on my dog tags (I eventually ordered custom ones online). The first week I was even forced to go to a church, though they put us nonbelievers in a separate room. In addition, at 10:00pm every night on fleet ships, a Chaplain gives a generic prayer over the 1MC (main intercom). When I'm a little higher in rank I plan to confront the Chaplain on that. Fear of reprisal is the one thing stopping me.
- slothlovechunk, on 04/26/2008, -3/+77Regardless of how religious they were, they set up a government of "We the people." The first three words of our constitution are the biggest ***** you to all of the other government's of the world of the time who claimed to derive their authority from god.
Conservative morons forget that there used to be many "Christian Nations" in the world. We have tried it before. It doesn't work. - CapeKid, on 04/26/2008, -4/+72An apt Catch-22 quote:
"We'll allocate a minute and a half for you in the schedule. Will a minute and a half be enough?"
"Yes, sir. If it doesn't include the time necessary to excuse the atheists from the room and admit the enlisted men."
Colonel Cathcart stopped in his tracks. "What atheists?" he bellowed defensively, his whole manner changing in a flash to one of virtuous and belligerrent denial. "There are no atheists in my outfit! Atheism is against the law, isn't it?"
"No, sir."
"It isn't?" The colonel was surprised. "Then it's un-American, isn't it?"
"I'm not sure, sir," answered the chaplain.
"Well, I am!" the colonel declared. "I'm not going to disrupt our religious services just to accommodate a bunch of lousy atheists. They're getting no special privileges from me. They can stay right where they are and pray with the rest of us." - WNW3, on 04/27/2008, -3/+69Washington was a Deist, a fact Christians have been trying to suppress for 200 years.
- subversive1, on 04/26/2008, -8/+74Went I went through a processing line in the USAF,the chaplain gave me a dirty look when he saw on my dog tags that my religion was...none.Other than that never had any hate because of it.
- Strman, on 04/26/2008, -8/+74Whether he is left or right handed is completely irrelevant to the issue at hand.
- TonyLocNE, on 04/26/2008, -5/+64Why do you have to politicize this? I believe in an abundant amount of conservative issues, but I am an athiest... This story isn't biased whatsoever, a soldier was persecuted for his beliefs and the army violated his 1st amendment rights. Case closed.
- indiancompanion, on 04/26/2008, -16/+72they dont love to hate in general, they just hate anyone who does not share common values
- yosserhughes, on 04/27/2008, -2/+55You know I have a theory; I believe that 99% of the people that profess to be Christian and believe in god are liars, or are deluding themselves at the very least, and I'll explain why.
As a stone cold, dyed in the wool atheist from birth, (which was a long time ago), I have many and many a time thought what it must be like to be a believer, I have been to church and watched the people around me, (sometimes wishing I could have their faith), and I have pondered how I would behave if I really believed the Bible was the Word of God, and I came to the conclusion that if it really was true then I would obey its commandments to the letter, not wanting to go to Hell, etc.
The Bible is quite explicit in what you should and should not do, and lays out exactly what will happen if you don't follow the rules.
For example, in Exodus 35:2 God lays down this commandment:
For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.
Now, there's no caveat to this, it is very explicit, it doesn't say, 'Unless your a bus driver' or 'only if Target has a sale on'. So if I'm a Christian I say; '***** that, no Hell for me thank you very much, I'm staying home'
Now this is just one of many, many examples in the Bible that advocate death and going to Hell for the most mundane activities.
But Christians still do them. So I ask myself are these people really Christian, do they really believe in God? Well of course the answer must be..... no; they are just hedging their bets, making mouth's for onlookers sakes, or truly deluding themselves. Perhaps they think it doesn't apply to them, because its like 2000 years ago and there weren't any buses then.
But the fact remains that they still proclaim to be Christians. I think not. - pintomp3, on 04/26/2008, -1/+53there is an increasingly disturbing trend in this country towards religious fanaticism. relative to other industrial countries, we have less people who believe in evolution. many people actually believe god founded this country as a christian nation. many of our elected officials share this kind of religous bigotry and fervor. chris hedges wrote a great book "American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War On America" on this growing phenomenon.
- erkokite, on 04/26/2008, -4/+53No. Evangelicals have their own reality.
- fadeout, on 04/26/2008, -5/+53Military theocracy isn't always so blatant, either. Had a friend who served in Iraq in the USAF, he couldn't even get a drink on base because the commanders made the base dry. They literally cited the bible as justification.
- inactive, on 04/26/2008, -3/+47is this a christian asking for proof of something? oh the irony.
- Edrick, on 04/26/2008, -7/+49No one in the US knows what actual Liberialism is anymore.
- inactive, on 04/26/2008, -4/+43Is it that big a surprise? Look where they do the most recruiting: poor people. Poverty and free thinking aren't mutually exclusive but they sure as hell don't walk hand in hand.
- alpharaptor, on 04/26/2008, -2/+40... that's what he said, and look where it got him, harassed by fascist christian zealots
- unorginalityftw, on 04/26/2008, -6/+44Yep, just because it didn't happen to you means it never happens. So since no one has ever tried to, for example... I don't know, rape you, then that thereby implies rape never happens either. Amirite?
- sharp357, on 04/27/2008, -4/+41Not really. He is invoking the same anecdotal evidence he wishes to discredit. He is "one" person with "one" experience in a military of 1.36 million members. That's considerably less percentage than the 50 who felt strong enough to complain. His argument fails under it own weight.
- warriorscot, on 04/27/2008, -4/+40More than 0% should be unacceptable in any military or indeed in any society in general.
- catbeller, on 04/26/2008, -0/+36The Air Force Academy has been quietly turned into a end-times fundamentalist Christian conversion camp in the last decade or so. We know it, but no one seems to care.
- CodyZ, on 04/27/2008, -0/+34Freedom from religion is one of those constitutionally protected rights that Army soldiers are sworn to defend.
- richporter, on 04/27/2008, -4/+37Of the 204 people considered to be the "Founding Fathers" none of them believed their "God" had anything to do with their daily lives. Also, kill it with fire.
- heroesdietrying, on 04/26/2008, -1/+33http://www.atheistfoxholes.org/
- relic180, on 04/27/2008, -1/+33That's ignorant and wrong. Christian minds are so shallow.
- relic180, on 04/26/2008, -0/+32Christians typically don't realize that the U.S. was not founded as a christian nation, and refuse to do the research to find out that it's not. So, I'm sure the officer THINKS he's being accurate, although you're correct. The majority of the founding fathers were Deists, not christians.
To all you jesus drones, go look up the 'Deist' wiki. - heresy0, on 04/26/2008, -1/+31That is disgusting. And it is a huge deal. The fact that you're not willing to stand up for yourself is part of the problem.
- skoubydoo, on 04/26/2008, -5/+35Jefferson and Franklin were deists
also..."His atheism" - Aensland, on 04/26/2008, -7/+37Tell me how the previous posters are "speculating", and how a single cog in the machine knows everything that goes on in there.
- inactive, on 04/26/2008, -1/+31"lol I'm deist, nub"
- ickybod, on 04/27/2008, -0/+28But it's the christians who are being persecuted, right?
- robthom, on 04/26/2008, -5/+33During a modern day crusades that might prove unpopular.
- relic180, on 04/27/2008, -2/+30@masterm1nd
Did you read the article? Specifically the part where one guy received 5,500 complaints of religious discrimination, 96% of complaints were a result of Evangelical Christians hating on other people? Did you read that part?
Then there's the part where he says that the number of Atheists being discriminated against is probably much higher, since many soldiers keep their mouths shut due to fear of retaliation. There was also that part. Did you read that part too?
Maybe you should read it again. - banmaster, on 04/27/2008, -6/+34No it SHOULDN'T be that way! That ***** chaplain was a total ***** if he reacted like that.
- sw33tsarin, on 04/27/2008, -0/+27I sometimes wonder where these religious zealots were educated. I went to a catholic school from k-7th and they ALWAYS stressed the fact that America is a religiously free society and that no one should be persecuted because of their creed, or lack thereof. I think at this point in time these people must truly be willfully dense.
- mrsteveman1, on 04/26/2008, -4/+29Actually the media has turned the word liberal into nothing more than a label to attack people.
- bitterbug, on 04/27/2008, -2/+27Oh, I dunno if it's irrelevant.... as a left hander I would likely have been tortured and killed by Christians at various periods in history. Hell I had a friend my own age who couldn't write legibly because as a kid he went to a religious school and they would hit him every time he used his left hand.
(apparently I wouldn't do to well in some Islamic countries for being left handed either) - sephiroth965, on 04/27/2008, -8/+32Do you pity me because I don't believe in you're god? I'm still a good person. Personally, I pity anyone who was raised in a religious household. Those who are raised Christian (or any other religion) are effectively brainwashed. Young minds are very impressionable. I would consider it cruel to force religion upon someone who doesn't have enough reasoning and rationalization skills to come to their own conclusions about god or religion.
- inactive, on 04/27/2008, -0/+23surely even you can see the irony in it?
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