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- jackminardi, on 10/12/2007, -19/+125I can not understand the logic behind even creating this law. Some people just don't think before the act.
- sideshowRAHEEM, on 10/12/2007, -30/+102@trghpy
This law is for Mexicans who are legally allowed to work in this country through work visas it is not intended to give Social Security to illegals, it should also be noted that the US has similar agreements with 20 other countries. - Yez70, on 10/12/2007, -6/+58They also must have the other 8 1/2 years of working credit in Mexico under the mexican social security program.
As for Europe, Canada, Australia and many other developed countries, we have the SAME agreement with them already.
It also goes both ways, Americans can collect foreign social secuirty benefits from working 1.5 years in any other developed country too.
This is nothing new. - trghpy, on 10/12/2007, -16/+50I don't get it.
"About to become law is an agreement allowing illegal aliens to get Social Security benefits after only 18 months of employment in the U.S." ... "It also is against current law for employers knowingly to hire individuals who are in this country illegally."
This makes no sense... Just like everything else comming from our gooberment. - Otto, on 10/12/2007, -2/+33Firstly, this totalization agreement really doesn't change anything in this respect. Illegals can't get Social Security benefits. Period. What they can do, however, is claim benefits for periods worked here while they were illegal *if* they later become legal.
So let's say Jose comes over here and works illegally for a while. Then he gets a card and becomes legal. That time he spent here illegally working is now claimable.
The totalization agreement *does* allow legal immigrants to claim benefits with only 6 periods of work (instead of the normal 40), however those benefits are pro-rated, so it's not like they'd make the same out of it as somebody who puts in the whole 40 or more. It also expands the benefits to more family members than was previously allowed.
But they still have to be legal to get Social Security benefits. Period. We are not giving SS to illegal aliens. - TheWriteJerry, on 10/12/2007, -12/+39Does this mean I can renounce my US citizenship, stay here at my job and get all the benefits of being an illegal alien?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25If they did not take those jobs, the pay would rise a bit and Americans would take them. There will never be jobs that nobody takes.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -16/+39They will not be happy until the middle class is destroyed. It's amazing the people making these laws don't even utilize the SS system. They have federal pensions which we pay for on top of our SS payments. The parasites are getting closer and closer to killing the host.
- nicht, on 10/12/2007, -11/+30Yes, but unfortunately "Mexicans" represent *most* of the illegals in the US.
How are we going to collect Taxes on people that aren't trackable, or extremely hard to track? - hipnerd, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21If they are born in the U.S., they are U.S. citizens -- thus, not illegal.
- mbiker80, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18Okay kids, gather around the fire. Let me tell you my true "immigrant story."
I am a legal U.S. Immigrant from Ukraine. Every time I see these demonstrations by ILLEGALS posing as "True American Immigrants", my stomach churns. I didn't climb over a fence; steal someone's Social Security number; and avoided paying income taxes.
In 1988, my father stood in line for 3 hours, soaking in wet snow, at U.S. Embassy in Moscow to fill out an application for entry as a "Political Refugee." 2 years later, our family was called in for an exhaustive 8-hour interview detailing our background, health, and criminal-record check. The KGB provided the Embassy with false "Government-approved" records attempting to slander our name. The next two years were awful: Our documents were destroyed, property seized, and "friends" & relatives abandoned us.
In September 1991, thanks to a generous loan from U.S. Sponsor, we found ourselves on a Boeing 737, with $50 in cash, flying across the Atlantic Ocean to New York's JFK airport. Half of our luggage was stolen in the hands of hard-working Communist sympathizers. But, we were grateful to land in one piece.
In 1993, we replaced our "white cards" (Political Refugee) with Green Cards (actually pink in color). And in 1996, we filed paperwork for U.S. Citizenship. Unfortunately, the paperwork was significantly delayed, requiring assistance from our State Representative. In 1998, we repaid our loan to U.S. Sponsor and a few months later passed U.S. Citizenship tests and interviews. In 2000, we were granted U.S. Citizenship and cast our first votes.
I view this "illegal Alien Amnesty" campaign as SHAMEFUL and DISGUSTING and UNLAWFUL! I am appalled to see our elected officials pander to the Corporate and Lobby interests. I have already informed my State officials about my position. I regard this campaign as an illegal, unlawful and fiscally irresponsible act.
Signed,
Proud (Disillusioned) American - swollentiki, on 10/12/2007, -6/+20@sideshowRAHEEM
No, this is for illegal immigrants. If Congress signs the amnesty bill, this will be RETROACTIVE!!!! Meaning that current illegal immigrants will be able to claim social security benefits. - swollentiki, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17All you people saying Illegals are doing the jobs Americans won't, that's a bunch of bull and you need to take an economics class. The reason people won't do the work is the PAY. Simple example, how many people would clean toliets for $10,000 a year? how about $20,000? $40,000? $100,000? I be most of you said you would for one of the higher amounts.
Take another real example, the recent bust at the Swift plant, after all the illegals were rounded up, there was a line of AMERICANS out the door wanting those jobs. - drumboom, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17If the US really wanted to fix this so called problem they would do the following:
*Fine the employer 50,000 for each ilegal hired*
Why don't they do this instead of a 3 billion wall? HIPOCRISY - Spacejack, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17"illegal child born in the US"? Anyone born on US soil is a legal citizen by default.
- Yashar, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17This is *****, illegal aliens don't even pay taxes. They should get NOTHING. They already take advantage of the education system which is paid by taxpayers (legal citizens), as well as our health care system as well.
- santacruzach, on 10/12/2007, -9/+22yeah, they do so much. Living off our stupid welfare system and getting all these benefits. They do so much. I have a neighbour who can't marry her boyfriend here (she's illegal, he's not) or she'll have to pay for her kid's education and all this other stuff. She's an illegal alien, and she has 3 cars, 2 of which I can't even think about affording.
- bwjacket, on 10/12/2007, -11/+23As long as they keep providing us with 1) Hard work 2) Proper english and 3) Delicious and healthy foods.
Check, Check, Check - Oculus, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16FTA: "The agreement, which awaits President Bush's signature, can take effect without Congress' approval. All the Democratic Congress has to do is nothing. It doesn't have to vote to approve it -- it has only 60 days to disapprove it, which isn't likely because they likely support allowing it to become law."
It's not likely that they'll vote it down, because they likely support it? So the author has no idea if Congress supports it or not, and they have every chance (60 Days) to vote it down. Sounds like FUD to me. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16This is *****. Fair Tax FTW. Tax the illegals, THEN we can talk about giving them SS benefits...
- mbthompson, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Swollentiki is right, sideshowRaheem is wrong. Stop digging down swollentiki and RTFA.
- garbanzo, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16Seems like a pretty good idea to me
- jackminardi, on 10/12/2007, -11/+21@Daedalus81
The key word in illegal immigrants is the word ILLEGAL. If a company was hiring illegal workers in the first place, why would it bother complying with the law that says how much they have to pay them?
Hows that for a clue train? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10It's designed to destroy the middle class. For a hundred years this country lived with extreme economic stratification. There were peasants and there was a ruling class and very little in-between. Then the Labor Movement took off and collective negotiation claimed little things like the 40-hour work week, safe working conditions and retirement benefits. And instead of destroying America (as many claimed it would), it led to the greatest prosperity in the history of the world. But greed being what it is, eventually industrialists realized that they could have a situation that was even more profitable than slavery had been. They could farm the work out to third-world nations and cut out all those niceties that they'd been forced to give the American worker. Not only that, but with no EPA they don't have to worry about how dirty their factories are. Now they're looking to get cheap labor for those last jobs that are impractical to farm out to other nations. And surprise, economic stratification is taking off again. Inching closer to a peasantry and a ruling class again. Except that now the peasantry is complacent and fat. They don't even have the will to object to their treatment anymore. They'll just nuke another Grandma's Apple Pie and turn on the tube. Maybe the new season of American Idol is starting.
R.I.P. USA. It was a nice idea while it lasted. - nagaisu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10@sideshow
There's something you're missing though....
"Totalization agreements are common -- the U.S. has them with 20 countries. And their goal is legitimate -- to avoid double taxation when employers assign their employees to work temporarily in another country. Totalization was not designed or intended to cover millions of illegals sneaking past the U.S. Border Patrol from what is a borderline Third World country.
Workers from those 20 countries come here with employer documents verifying they are authorized to work here. Nearly all these countries are on an economic and industrial par with the U.S. And the numbers are limited. Our agreement with the U.K. covers just over 2,000 people."
Just to clarify....... - mbiker80, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9My "tiny little mind" is unable to grasp the current "open borders" policy. How can we can fight this "War on Terror" with open borders and 50,000 illegals* entering the United States each week?
* Source: Jim Gilchrist, Minuteman Project - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Why would we sign something like this? No American wants to move to Mexico. How the hell would this benefit us? It won't. It only benefits immigrants coming here. To hell with this I say.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+21Br0wn,
Yes, they contribute exactly *****. Take an economics class and ask your professor. - santacruzach, on 10/12/2007, -13/+21It's funny; I think 95% of the US says they consider themselves middle class. However, if the Southwest becomes just another Mexico, everyone is going to be living in dirt hovels like they do in Mexico. It's called economic collapse, and while it might not happen right away, it's going to happen if all these special interest groups don't shut up and let me make some american money.
- Otto, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12@santacruzach: So call up the INS and have her ass deported. If you know of illegals living here, tell somebody. They are *illegal*, you know...
- rsims17, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Proper English... I am not sure what illegals you are talking to.
I'm more for them being registered aliens that pay taxes and speak English.
I don't care if they are lazy, because if they are, then they don't have a job, that applies to everyone really.
True hard work and some good food is always a plus. I am just tired of immigrants believing they have a right to come to our country... I am sorry if you disagree but ask someone that came here via Ellis island, those people gave everything they had to come here and become Americans. They wanted to earn citizenship and earn their slice of the pie. Unfortunately the pie is only as big as how hard everyone works to earn it and contribute to it. Yes illegals are cheap labor, yes that keeps prices down, or profits up you never really know. But they don't pay taxes, just imagine how much money our public schools would have if those billions of dollars in taxes were collected. - hipnerd, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Because their employers collect payroll taxes from them. That's where your Social Security taxes get levied. If they were as completely off the government radar, as you are suggesting, they would have no documentation or method to collect the theoretical SS payout -- problem solved. Either they pay into SS and get some out -- just like the rest of us. They pay into Social Security but get nothing out (the most common scenario). Or they pay nothing into Social Security and collect a payout (virtually never happens.)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -14/+211.) Renounce citizenship
2.) Forge birthdate (become 65)
3.) Enter country illegally
4.) Work for 18 months
5.) ?????
6.) Profit - koontzorama, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Social Security is a ripoff anyway. What happened to the America when you got to keep the money you made, not get it redistributed to people that don't want to work. But don't worry, you *might* get a little bit of it when you are older! WTF
- esconsult1, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9The amount of xenophobic crap most posters have spouted here is alarming and atrocious.
Me? I'm an immigrant. Proud to be in the U.S. legally and part of the fabric of this country. And during the years of just having a work permit (around 7 years), I paid into the social security system. During that time, even though I had a valid social security number, and WAS permitted to work by the U.S. government (I had a work permit, remember), I paid hefty amounts in the social security system. In that time, I was not allowed to benefit in any way from it.
If I had left the U.S. and went back to my country of birth after those 7 years, all those thousands and thousands of social security dollars would remain in the pockets of American citizens. And I made real good money too in that time (6 figures) as a programmer/consultant.
In fact, the only way to benefit before the retirement age, is through disability, or something of that order. Other than that, you can't "benefit" from social security. It's not welfare. You get out what you put it. Bash immigrants for other reasons, but not for social security. Immigrants lose on that deal.
Count me down as one immigrant who's tired of all this bashing *****. - CiXeL, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10i was just reading in the book "Fast Food Nation" that US companies actually advertise jobs on mexican radio in mexico to encourage them to come over. there has to be something massively illegal about that. apparently they do it alot with slaughterhouses.
- tslag, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@drumboom: My guess is that they know that illegals are good for the economy/irs but know that many or most Americans hate them, so they walk the fence.
- ogden, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Your statement is unrequited *****.
- CiXeL, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@ karyyk
unlike anywhere else ive been in the US, STEREOTYPES ARE TRUE HERE. it's a sad reality of miami. you can try to bottle yourself up in your house and hide from it but once you step outside you get the dirty looks, etc.
the only reason theyre all "legal" here is that stupid wet food/dry foot law
touch land and theyre ok. the political structure has been hijacked enough to allow them a sort of legality. yet haitians are immediately deported if they catch them at any time. racist isnt it?
oh yeah thats right, maybe its because latin people here are RACIST towards everyone - especially blacks. Like how my coworkers would talk about other black coworkers with the n-word to my horror on a couple of occasions.
not all of them practice santaria or espiritismo but there are alot that do and the risk of getting exposed to mercury or having your kids come across a headless goat lying in a field is ***** creepy. - CiXeL, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5pcore. come to miami, be hated on down here in south dade and tell me what you think. my girlfriend was a bleeding heart liberal from hawaii who had lived with two gay men before we moved to this hellhole. now words are coming out of her mouth i never thought i would hear and she doesnt like it but she has to admit its reality.
- Hellmark, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@zlintux - Someone would fill the jobs that illegals are doing now. Someone else did them before, didn't they? I live in Missouri, and for years, there have been tons of jobs being taken by illegal immigrants that I would have gladly done. Its especially hard getting started in the work force in highschool when all of the jobs that would normally be open to you are being done by illegals who will work for slave wages. In a farm community, there aren't many jobs off your own farm, and the few that are is working at the fastfood joint near the highway. When you goto the McDonald's and everyone behind the counter doesn't speak English, and the menu is in spanish instead, what are you to do? Offer to work below minimum wage and learn Spanish so you can understand what you are being told?
- MYarms, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I'm trying to think what country I can go to illegally and demand benefits and work.
- CiXeL, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6nothing like miami is though. the US may as well roll the tanks in because almost all the americans have moved away. i was stupid as hell moving here from socal. 2/3rds of the jobs people speak nothing but spanish at the company.
- clickwir, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Keep working! Millions on welfare and social security depend on you!
oh and you get taxed on what you make and you have to keep working and we don't give you the same benefits as one of these free loaders.
mother *****. Stop giving away my money! - CiXeL, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4this isnt about democrats or republicans theyre both bad
theyre both doing whats in their interests and not the peoples interests
everyday i hear statements that both democrats and republicans agree with
we are becoming one and the same. this is right verses wrong. - superKduper, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Unlike most of the kids on digg, I'm a taxpayer. In fact, I've paid the MAXIMUM social security taxes for the past 25 years--my entire working career. (BTW: Steve Jobs pays NO Social Security tax. Is that fair?)
And you know what bothers me more?
The fact that any able-bodied adult can go down to the local SSI office, say "Boo Hoo! I'm depressed" and collect Social Security disability insurance.
That's the real scam. These people contribute NOTHING to our enconomy, but suck the life-blood out of it. Quit worrying so much about illegals, and worry about lazy-ass Americans. - sh4des, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It's true, I just moved into a new town and tried to get a part-time 2nd job to help catch up with the escalated rent, moving bills, and new furniture -- only to find that there are no medial jobs left on the market. Want to go into retail? Taken by someone who doesn't speak 10 words of English. Want to work at a gas station? Sorry, taken. Want to flip burgers? Nuh uh - youngest guy working at Mcdonalds is about 35, and the only English he knows is "big mac" "thank you" and "ketchup?" -- he points at the register to tell you how much your food costs. Only jobs available are higher-level white-collar corporate jobs -- and having one of those as a "second job" isn't viable.
- raptorGT, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4GWB sold us out and Mexicans don't have rights to OUR SYSTEM. Get the hell out of my country, you ***** Mexicans aren't welcome here! I work my ass off, my knuckles to the ***** bone and what do I get? NOTHING. I get laid off all the time, I live paycheck to paycheck, can't afford to put tires on my car and will never have the opportunity of owning a house. However, your sweaty bean-eating ass jumps a fence and you get a house for free, special education programs, money handed to you, and you ILLEGAL sons of bitches are destroying a system built by citizens FOR citizens. You do NOT have rights in our country, you are NOT allowed to break the law, you are here illegally and is a FELONY! GET OUT!
- sailor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I think you need to look beyond our president for this problem...
- sailor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Nope, they are not immigrants...they are criminals and should be treated as such along with the companies that hire them.
and you are part of the problem lib ***** -
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