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- Netwarrior, on 10/11/2007, -15/+127Ron Paul was right when he stated we were attacked becuase of blowback. Read Osama Bin Laden's declaration of war against the U.S. in 1996 and it states exactly the same thing that Ron Paul said as the reason we were attacked. Paul is factually correct 100% and Giuliani is wrong.
Read it at: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1834249/posts - Mooco, on 10/11/2007, -11/+114So, naturally... Fox News decides to try and twist their words;
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,272594,00.html
The first paragraph of the article, and most likely the only one read by anybody actually visiting the Fox News site for actual news...
"WASHINGTON — Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani won the strongest applause at Tuesday night's first-in-the-South Republican primary debate when he lashed out at Texas Rep. Ron Paul for suggesting that the United States' non-interventionist policy invited the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks."
Ron Paul suggested that it was because of a LACK of non-interventionist policy that led to what happened. - understudy, on 10/11/2007, -16/+113
Unfortunately, you can't tell most people that 9/11 was anything other than what has been sold to them—
_ - CkMaverick, on 10/11/2007, -7/+91What I loved about Ron Paul is he wasn't looking at his podium. When he was speaking and defending himself he knew all the dates, all the numbers, and looked straight forward and argued his own ideas. Almost everyone else seemed to look down a lot more as if they had to look up their ideas it was more scripted. Ron Paul seemed to be the only one who truly knew what he was doing, what he was arguing, and the only candidate that was unwavering and answered questions directly and didn't avoid them.
- sv650touring, on 10/11/2007, -8/+77The popularity of Ron Paul on Digg says good things about Digg users. It seems people are basing their opinions on their principles instead of which "team" they have decided to be a fan of (GOP/Dem, OS, video game console).
Ron Paul looks like the only option that is better than the "lesser of 2 evils". Whether he wins or not, after the election when someone asks, I want to be able say "I voted for Ron Paul". And when they ask why, I'll be able to answer: "The issues."
Ron Paul is the only candidate that doesn't make me depressed for America.
Ron Paul has chunks of guys tougher than Chuck Norris in his stool. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -42/+107Vote Ron Paul!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18659382
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18661344 - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -26/+88For the love of god Yanks, get out and vote for this man!
- ubuntuedgy, on 10/11/2007, -11/+63Ron was simply stating that it is our foreign policy in the middle east that got us 9/11 and he was right. "They hate our freedoms!" Whatever. That is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard. They hate us because even before we found oil in their countries we have been treating them like servants. It only got worse after we found oil. We are constantly breathing down their necks and continually getting involved in their countries. Yes, they violate human rights, etc. So do we. Look at Guantanamo. Those issues can be dealt with diplomatically...and if diplomacy can't solve the problems we don't like about those countries, well it is up to their people to change it, not us.
Weneed to wrry about ourselves, not everyone else. And if we find it in our interest to be involved around the globe, we should not do it alone.
Before anyone gets stupid and blames me for saying we should not defend ourselves: that is not what I am saying. We have every right to defend ourselves if attacked. But we have no right to force our opinions on others; forcibly or otherwise. - whatthehoof, on 10/11/2007, -7/+55I thought Ron Paul handled Rudy Giuliani's potshot very well. Then again, Dr. Paul is a former OB/GYN, so he has experience dealing with vaginas.
- gldfshnpcklejar, on 10/11/2007, -7/+51....Fool me twice... You can't fool me again?
- rm999, on 10/11/2007, -7/+49"This is rock solid proof that Ron Was Right when he tried to school Rudy!!"
Nothing the popular media ever does is rock solid proof. It is simply an indication that the popular media agrees. And even then, only some of the popular media. - iTorrey, on 10/11/2007, -9/+50Ron Paul's opposition to the 'strict separation of church and state' is based on the 1st amendment. It states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;". This means that Congress cannot establish a state church. It also means that they can't prohibit the exercise of religion of any of the people of the United States.
So tell me how we must ban all Christmas or Easter celebrations at the local level because of a supposed separation of church and state?
If the community of any city wishes to have a Christmas parade there is nothing that can stop them because the federal law doesn't prohibit this. They are free people exercising their beliefs. It is up to each local community to determine what is appropriate for them. It is not the role of the federal government to step in and ban Christmas parades or Easter festivals and I believe that is at the heart of Ron Paul's stance on this issue.
He is a strong believer in a very limited federal government as were a lot of the people who wrote the constitution. - EntropyMan, on 10/11/2007, -13/+53Ron Paul was absolutely right, and Guiliani lied about not understanding what he was saying.
But where is the MSM defense, as claimed? I clicked through and got to a freerepublic comment and an old PBS article.
I'm going to have to bury this time. We're only going to get a handful of stories to the front page about Paul, and this shouldn't be one of them. Please choose wisely. - jeffiek, on 10/11/2007, -6/+43@understudy
I'm hoping its time for the "you can't fool all the people all the time" part to kick in. - charliecharlos, on 10/11/2007, -9/+44Shocking is the new BREAKING
- Toshibi, on 10/11/2007, -2/+36I'm an Atheist and here's my take on this quote:
"The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance."
-Tolerance means that I can have my faith and you yours until your faith somehow hurts me. Religious symbols and parades don't hurt me. A person's religion should be more important than their Government.
"Throughout our nation’s history, churches have done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility. Moral and civil individuals are largely governed by their own sense of right and wrong, and hence have little need for external government."
- A person's religious beliefs often supersede what the law says. Government can and does create bad and immoral laws. Consider the Quaker's opposition to state sanctioned slavery.
"This is the real reason the collectivist Left hates religion: Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people’s allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before their faith in the state."
- Maybe a little bit out there, but this has happened in Soviet Russia, China, and Nazi Germany.
"Knowing this, the secularists wage an ongoing war against religion, chipping away bit by bit at our nation’s Christian heritage. Christmas itself may soon be a casualty of that war."
- Like it or not, our nation does have a Christian Heritage. The celebration of Christmas, Easter, etc. by a majority of people doesn't hurt me in the slightest. What does hurt me is Big Government encroaching on all of my other rights and public money going into church coffers, which knowing Libertarian's like myself and Dr. Paul, wouldn't happen. - niteroi, on 10/11/2007, -16/+48I have met Ron Paul and I think the world would be a much better place if he became President!
And I am not even an American! - hoppdawg, on 10/11/2007, -6/+36"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." - Dylan
- owlinfoxhole, on 10/11/2007, -3/+31if you have ever believed the comment "they hate us for our freedom", then i don't know what to do for you. that was really the most absurd thing that have I ever heard. i was skeptical from day zero, and though i'm not trying to agree with anything bin laden has to say, it's pretty goddamn obvious if you know anything about history (circa 1945+) that us/uk involvement in the middle east has pissed off a lot of people.
ps. i never condone the killing of innocent people, no matter who's doing the killing. - iTorrey, on 10/11/2007, -5/+32Yeah I just don't get how we can believe that there are thousands (millions?) of "them" that are going to "follow us home" because they hate our freedoms and want us all to die because we don't make our women wear burkas.
The fact is, most of these countries should have little care about us. The only reason they care about the great satan thousands of miles away is because we are there messing with their lives. Does anyone think that they sit around and stew at Switzerland or Norway or Denmark or Austria or the Cayman Islands or Cuba every day?
The Neo-Con argument is so shallow and absurd it makes me laugh.. and cry for my country. Think about the world like your neighborhood. Would the person 8 blocks away care about what you are doing at any given moment? No, unless there was a reason for them to even know you existed. If you came to his house, raped his wife and killed his children, I tend to think that he will hunt you down and burn down your house. - jeanette3654, on 10/11/2007, -8/+34Very informative article. Thanks! As usual, Ron Paul is right.
- painted82, on 10/11/2007, -3/+28He said he would support a new investigation into 9/11, too.
- gooddaysunshine, on 10/11/2007, -3/+27i think Colmes is kind of experiencing a quasi-renaissance lately, first there's this -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD21nP_P2yg
and than tonight he backed Ron Paul on the old 'gassing the Kurds routine (which we were a part of).' that and he kept bringing up the fact that Paul was winning the text message poll, much to Hannity's chagrin. which was entertaining at the very least. so here is my first shout out to you Alan Colmes. i think he might be kind of pissed about getting ***** on for the last six years. and with that i can sympathize. - GMorgan, on 10/11/2007, -3/+23'He said he would support a new investigation into 9/11, too.'
Don't you mean a first investigation. You can't consider that 6 figure sum farce which had numerous obvious flaws to be an investigation. - clownguyx, on 10/11/2007, -3/+23@anton
He wasn't justifying their actions in anyway. He was stating why they did it. It is time Americans become aware of our foreign policy and take responsibility for it.
Several of us here, I'm sure, have used the "What if China built a military base in our country" argument. It's nice to see someone state it on television. People don't want to hear it though because they think that we're America and can do whatever the hell we want. There are consequences for our actions. - DarthTurducken, on 10/11/2007, -6/+25Wow. I've never voted Republican in my life but it may be time for a change. And he's from Lake Jackson, south of Houston here.
From http://www.house.gov/paul/bio.shtml:
As a specialist in obstetrics/gynecology, Dr. Paul has delivered more than 4,000 babies!
I don't know why but somehow that endears him to me. - dtfinch, on 10/11/2007, -6/+24Be certain to vote for someone else on the negative questions "Who had the most rehearsed answers?" and "Who avoided the questions?"
- aknappjr, on 10/11/2007, -10/+27Many arabs dislike the American government because of our freedom and the fact our women don't have to wear burkas, not because of years of well and not-so-well intentioned policies in their homelands.
Many europeans dislike the American government now because of apple pie, not the war in Iraq.
Noninterventionalism is and should remain a conservative principle, as Dr. Paul advocates, not nation building and "making the world safe for Democracy" - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -5/+22America is not the most free nor the most democratic, yet it is America that is attacked. 'Freedom and democracy' are comic book villain motives, not real world ones.
- hmac, on 10/11/2007, -5/+22@mooco
I have just sent this message to the correspondence e-mail address listed on FOXNews.com, politics@foxnews.com:
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Dear Sir or Madam:
I watched the debate on FOX News last night, and I believe you have an inaccuracy in its report at this web address: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,272594,00.html
In the head paragraph, it states the following:
WASHINGTON — Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani won the strongest applause at Tuesday night's first-in-the-South Republican primary debate when he lashed out at Texas Rep. Ron Paul for suggesting that the United States' non-interventionist policy invited the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
Ron Paul actually told his fellow candidates and the audience that it was America's interventionist policy, not its non-interventionist policy that invited the September 11, 2001 attacks.
As a concerned American citizen, I would appreciate every effort to fix this blatant misrepresentation of one of the candidates I feel represents my best interests.
Thanks,
----------------------------------------------------------- - ColonelJessup, on 10/11/2007, -4/+20I really hope that Ron Paul gets the nomination for 08. I really can't stress the importance of having a man like this in the White House, it almost makes me exicted and giddy to see that people are actually responding to what he is saying.
VOTE RON PAUL IN 08! - goodoldharris, on 10/11/2007, -8/+23You're right that the submitter wrote a completely misleading description. But you're wrong when you say there is a limit to the number of stories on Paul that can make it to digg's front page.
- wakananda, on 10/11/2007, -1/+16I would much rather have christian hoo-hah under the umbrella of liberty (wherein the same applies to synagoges, or mosques), than under a fascist, anti-constitutional fake fundie like Bush. Each religious group would be allowed full rights, including self-expression. No local community could prevent that, because it would be unconstitutional. Paul takes issue with Federal micromanagement of religion, because it is on the ascendent. He would also say that no one can prevent you from practicing Judaeism or Islam.
Make no mistake: I've had christans wagging their dicks in my face while pounding their bible for years (or is it the other way around?). I HATE christianity's militant fairy-tale horrorshow. But I am for Ron Paul, because he is upholding the Constitution. Bush - and every one of those slimey bastards up there on the stage with him - is an ENEMY OF THE CONSTITUTION. It is an impediment to their global fascist plantation. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+18Initially, Bin Laden claimed he had nothing to do with 9/11. Then, in a TV interview, he fessed up to being behind it. His "reason" was America's anti-Palestine stance.
"Admitting for the first time that he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks, bin Laden said he did so because of injustices against the Lebanese and Palestinians by Israel and the United States."
But he also said:
"In the video, bin Laden accused Bush of misleading Americans by saying the attack was carried out because Al Qaeda "hates freedom." The terrorist leader said his followers have left alone countries that do not threaten Muslims.
"We fought you because we are free ... and want to regain freedom for our nation. As you undermine our security we undermine yours," bin Laden said"
And:
"To the American people, my talk is to you about the best way to avoid another Manhattan," he said. "I tell you: Security is an important element of human life and free people do not give up their security."
So take your pick. It is a waste of time to debate the "why" and who is right on this point. - snapuswipe, on 10/11/2007, -12/+27@niteroi
Honestly, at this point, who wouldn't make a better president? - quaxon, on 10/11/2007, -7/+21are you seriously that much of an idiot? yea their home has been occupied, bombed, their natural resources exploited for decades, etc. but they dont care. yea man, its really americas freedom that makes them want to kill themselves, not their families being killed by US rockets? if they hated freedom they would be bombing sweden and other places that are truly more free than USA. you americans are so arrogant and are so brainwashed into believing such obvious *****. its no surprise your curency is dropping at a fast rate and your country is going to ***** and is so hated around the world.
- curtisehler, on 10/11/2007, -5/+18 re: iTorrey--
The wording of your response was a little vague. Did you mean to say that independent community groups would Constitutionally be allowed to have religous celebrations? That'd be fine.
But if you were suggesting that local government funds/resources could be used to host religious celebrations, then that would be unconstitutional based on the 14th Amendment.
Not sure which you were referring to, so figured I'd clarify jic. - shootdashit, on 10/11/2007, -2/+15and that Guiliani douche tried to play a political card and ask that Paul remove his comments rather than asking what makes him think that is true. i have to say that Paul does seem to be hurting himself a bit simply because though he is factual and appears to know more than anyone else on that stage, he is harsh and the American people can't take harsh. we're always the victim and the good guy. Paul kept stressing we need to change the way we think and that Fox audience definitely is ready to re-think anything. the applauds reflected their confused base of ideals.
- GettinReal, on 10/11/2007, -5/+16*****. I would follow Bin Laden into battle before i followed George Bush...and this is coming from a hardcore conservative redneck bastard from 'Bama who aint got time for no highschool *****. The human brain is the most sophisticated entity ever observed in the universe. Use it.
I sign my name in blood and always have my Mickey Mouse watch set 5 minutes fast. I believe in America and the Constitution and logic. This War on Terror smells like ***** and so does the Media. You can sniff that garbage if you want, I'll pass.
Fact is Bin Laden is probably on the take. Why else havent we caught him? He is the perfect pretext...for every ***** thing!!!!! Taxes, security, id card, databases, secrecy, wiretapping, concentration camps, torture....Remember this war is going to last GENERATIONS....If you really believe that ***** then take a gun and blow your brains out.
If OBL is for real and was really behind the attacks....he poses no threat to me and i think he comes off as a honest guy....though a cold-blooded murderer. You can be both you know. George Washington no doubt split a few wigs in his day but he is one the greatest men ever to grace this planet. I am not saying that OBL is my hero by any means but we got to get real. Who has done more harm to this country...W or OBL? Its just real suspicious when the FBI knew all the answers within 12 hours of the attacks...yea right. And Atta had a list of the hijackers in his apartment? This reads like some CSI episode which is what America wants. Look at the wildfires in Cali, Georgia, and Jersey. If a terrorist really wanted to do damage...all they need is a book of matches.
You people need to wake the ***** up. If terrorism was that big of a threat then why is the border wide the ***** open!!!??? Get real. People will believe anything. That is a fact.
Another fact is George Bush has tried his hardest to drive this country into the ground with his minions of hell. People say he's dumb. He's not. He's just following the script. Americans are way more apt to trust someone they see as a complete dumb-ass because they can relate to him. Think about it.
This administration has accelerated the losses of liberty we have been losing for a hundred years. Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, LBJ...all these people did NOTHING for liberty. Reagan destroyed Communism...yea o.k. buddy...just like George Bush brought freedumb to the middle east.
Bottom line...Terrorists cant take our freedom away. Politicians do this ***** with the laws they pass and they have been working overtime to do it.
And remember each time you jump up for the carrot the dick goes further up you ass. - Palmetto, on 10/11/2007, -2/+13Ron Paul is the only candidate, since the founders, who believes in sticking to the Constitution word for word.
All others from both parties are socialists. Really, they are. Think on it. Ask yourself if the Constitution provides for the
creation of the Department of Education? Does it? If not, why does it exist? Which candidate would get rid of it? If it is
unconstitutional, shouldn't it be abolished? Did I miss something? If not, does the law not apply somehow?
Ron Paul '08. - brightmidnight, on 10/11/2007, -4/+15dugman74--
Perhaps Muslims have thought this way for "centuries"-- but did they ever act on it before? No, they were busy with their own wars and battles. With its 20th century intrusions, beginning in the '50s, the US has made their job easy by giving them fodder for their jihadist fires. The 9/11 Commission Report does mention this, along with the CIA's former top bin Laden specialist, Michael Scheuer, who said, "We're being attacked for what we do in the Islamic world, not for who we are or what we believe in or how we live."
I didn't like Giuliani before for the way he treated his wife, but now I realize that he is a complete idiot along with being morally depraved. I hope the mainstream media does realize it.
Here's a better article saying that Ron was right:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20070516/cm_thenation/45195576 - pixelmech, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11Just because a statement is politically unpopular doesn't mean it isn't true. Ron Paul has the guts to say what is true when it is not popular, and that is exactly the kind of man that we need to lead this country.
The silly "they attack us because we are free" statement is INSULTING. Why haven't they been attacking us for the last 200+ years then? Why don't other groups attack us because "we're free"? How come North Korea isn't flying planes into our buildings because "we are free"? They hate our freedoms, right? It's all a bunch of nonsense. It's time we take responsibility for our actions abroad.
Ron Paul spoke the truth. It's time this country pulls its collective head out of its collective you know what. And Giuliani is a more of an actor than a candidate. His comments made good theater - but we need a leader not a thespian. Take it to Hollywood Rudy, we don't need it in the White House. - danconia, on 10/11/2007, -8/+18Ron Paul is legend. We need to call on a debate between Ron Paul and Giuliani 1-on-1 regarding foreign policy. That is what we need to expose the garbage foreign policy this country has.
For those of you on Facebook, join our VERY fast-growing largest Ron Paul group here:
http://usc.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2229718737
Feel free to interact with other bright Paul-supporters and invite your buddies to join. - Gothvanhelsing, on 10/11/2007, -16/+26Part of that 1996 Fatwa also sais and I quote
Those youths know that their rewards in fighting you, the USA, is double than their rewards in fighting some one else not from the people of the book. They have no intention except to enter paradise by killing you. An infidel, and enemy of God like you, cannot be in the same hell with his righteous executioner
Bin Laden makes it pretty clear if you read the full thing he hates any person who is not ruled by Islamic Shari'ah law. - mjoshi, on 10/11/2007, -5/+14Julliani is a f%@*ing *****. He is the one who made most money on death of 3000+ people on 9/11 and still American people are seeing him as 9/11 hero. I'm not getting what exactly he did on 9/11 that is different from any other mayor put in same situation would have done. In post 9/11 world actually he did more things to hurt real heros of 9/11 like police and fire officials. He needs to understand the fact that 9/11 happend because of US foreing policies. There is nothing that justifies what happend on 9/11 but there is nothing that makes it hard to understand the reason behind it. So ***** Julliani and ***** like him who wants to ask American people for their vote based on 9/11.
- UWake911, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10I hope Americans are STOPPING the Hate Speech Laws going before your House at the moment as Israeli is instigating these laws to hinder Americans from questioning them and their crimes on Christians and other non Jews in America and other Countries.
- halohunter, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11"
First they ignore you... (msnbc post-debate analysis)
Then they laugh at you... (laughs whilst announcing Ron Pauls lead in Fox's sms poll)
Then they fight you... (Fox's post-debate attacks on Ron Paul)
Then you win... (Ron Paul becoming republican nominee)
"
-Mohandas Gandhi
Truth Happens!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtdnZNYN0MM - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+12This isn't just a random kid's petition to get a Wii.
According to TFA, Ron Paul challenged Rudi Julie-Anny to a debate on the topic of foreign policy.
Too bad Rudi is a batty boy and will avoid getting his head surgically removed from his ass on live TV by Ron Paul, M.D.
Paul served in Nam, treating the wounded.
Rudi got deferments from the Draft instead of serving. He had to clerk for a judge, you know. Such a brave little thing, in his chic yellow slinky sun dress...
Make sure all the gold is safe, Rudi. Who cares about "asbestos"? The firemen didn't like us anyway! - SecularG, on 10/11/2007, -5/+13I watched CNN last night and the consensus there seemed to be that Ron Paul had many inappropriate comments. Not that he had won. Seemed to me that there was more talk about the guy that has not started to run than there was talk of Ron Paul.
- polyGone, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8You're online. Are you 12?
Your insane amount of bantering, without providing any information or counterpoints, points towards that notion. In every RP thread, you sit there throwing Ad Hominem attacks. You sound like the average idiot politician. -
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