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- ttravis84, on 10/12/2007, -8/+43No doubt... the timing, the convenience, the inconsistencies, the obvious facts, government black op as usual. It never ends sometimes.
- njpublius, on 10/12/2007, -10/+42It is a DOCUMENTED FACT that certain groups within the CIA, DoD and other government agencies have experimented on unknowing citizens.
This includes LSD, atomic bomb radiation, poison; etc.
The VERY REAL possibility that Cho was some type of "Manchurian Candidate" exists -- of couse the government won't admit anything. They'll just claim "national security." - kluikart, on 10/12/2007, -11/+37The sheeple believe that burning jet fuel pulverizes concrete, so I'm sure they won't blink at the MS media story of some untrained college student just buying a gun last month then shooting and reloading with accuracy.
- kluikart, on 10/12/2007, -7/+33No way he only had guns for a month. If Americans weren't so afraid of guns, they would know that you don't just pick up a gun and shoot and reload with accuracy unless you have trained. Most police officers cannot even shoot with this type of precision.
- choppasizzle, on 10/12/2007, -11/+34100% ACCURATE! Also, if you are watching the mainstream media's coverage of this you are seeing the same pattern after 9/11 - constant parroting of the same story.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+33It's the picture of Hui in the Marines uniform that makes me wonder, along with the fact that he only had the guns for a month, but used them and acted like an accomplished assassin.
- hiphoc, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24This just goes to show how the gov't works. If they are backed up against a wall, they can activate 100 VTech's or Columbines. Digg will kill this story. Re post on your own blog and try to get that on digg, Email, tell friends. I didn't even know much about Columbine but when I heard about this on Monday, I said fishy. Imus for 1 week, Cho for 1 week, Anna Nicole Smith 1 month. Distract folks from the real. Lets take this out of the web and into real life before our cousins, friends and relatives are gunned down in schools and malls. This could be us or our family. FOLKS THIS ***** IS PERSONAL!!!!
- dforty3, on 10/12/2007, -5/+25Whenever people are terrorized into giving up Constitutional rights, we should really take a thorough look at what s really going on.
How many people realize Tim McVeigh was in the MK Ultra program?
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd119.htm
^^^ From this article... "For those who think this is silly stuff or conspiracy theories, in McVeigh's Second Trial, you will read excerpts from the actual Senate hearings by Adm. Stansfield Turner on the government's mind control projects (MK ULTRA). In the book, Bluebird: Deliberate Creation of Multiple Personality by Colin A. Ross, MD, you will read the proof based on 15,000 pages of documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) from the CIA, which prove the Manchurian Candidate was not fiction, but fact." - ttravis84, on 10/12/2007, -10/+27No evidence? Why would the pentagon help create the first person shooter DOOM or Full Spectrum Warrior, and many others as well. (I guess they help national defense huh)... Look it up dude, that is mainstream knowledge. This is not all due to video games, but it is a contributing factor without a doubt. Like the government does not know the desensitizing effects of video games? Get real.
- ttravis84, on 10/12/2007, -6/+22Bottom line this kid did not shoot 60 something people and have a 50% kill ratio without help. This campus just installed a very odd loudspeaker system that was not utilized for 2 hours after the initial shooting. Are you kidding? As usual the police and FBI dicked around for over 2 hours before acting, in 1966 a janitor and an off duty cop took it upon themselves to kill Charles Whittman in the UT tower. Now they just bumble ***** around and wait for orders meanwhile the black op agents to slip out the back (proverbially speaking). That way the loyal actual good cops can not interfere with the black op agents inside. And as expected there were strange bomb threats and odd FBI drills at the school the whole week before. These events always utilize drills to confuse the actual operation just like on 911. Furthermore, just as many of us suspected…. This case has raging inconsistencies with the tapes and letters he happened to send into ABC. Excuse me? A schizophrenic, calmy and methodically does this? Anyone who buys that has the critical thinking skills of an ant. He goes and kills 2 people, makes a movie, burns it, and mails it to ABC before walking 20 minutes to continue killing 32 more and shooting 60. Hardly believable in the vaguest since. The government has blood on its hands either way, they should be ashamed of their conceal and carry ban on campus. 1 student allowed to carry, as many stated they wanted to, would have stopped this incident in its tracks. Black op all the way.
- gmason08, on 10/12/2007, -8/+24What I find most interesting in these cases is that the pharmaceutical aspect receives relatively little attention.(power/influence of pharma industry?)
Guns have been available for a long time. Insane people have and will remain a percentage of the population. The widespread drugging of individuals with psychotropic drugs generally coincides w/ the increase in both frequency and severity of these type of atrocities.
The first few minutes of this documentary are compelling:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3609599239524875493&q=DRUGGING%2BOF%2BOUR%2BCHILDREN - dibdidit, on 10/12/2007, -7/+22Humanity never needed a video game to do horrible thing! Since the dawn of time there as been murderer. Video games exist for less than 30 years....
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19This is a terrible tragedy. My sympathy goes out to all the victims and families.
I agree that there is a lot to suggest government involvement here. Thank you Mr. Watson for bringing these out so clearly.
It seems to me that a society's attitude towards guns, like alcohol or anything else is telling. Culturally, we seem bi-polar in our attitude towards them. We commonly exhibit paralyzing fear or fanatical obsession.
Fear of guns exposes an individual or a society to abuse. If we allow ourselves to be disarmed, and put our trust in others to manage guns, we risk those we entrust becoming corrupt and no longer acting in our best interest. On the other hand, an obsession with guns leaves us similarly vulnerable to crazed individuals. As long as we are polarized on this issue, it will remain a point of vulnerability.
Somewhere between the poles is a healthy attitude towards guns. The point of mastering the use of a weapon is so that you will be able to, when required (hopefully never). That is really all there is to it. Glorifying weaponry is a perversion, and fearing them is a delusion. - dforty3, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15I'm not saying it's definitely a Mind Control incident, but I am suggesting that this seems suspicious and you shouldn't rule it out. I don't doubt that Prozac is destructive, but it is used so widely that if it routinely led to turning people into mass-murdering suicidal psychopaths, then I'd have to imagine the VT incident would be the rule, not the exception.
So I don't see how you can just rule it out. We know the MK Ultra program has existed since the 1950's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i46RI2twVao - COMPACTION, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Funny how he went somewhere for a few hours everyday and nobody knew where he went.
- xrox, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16Better go get a piece while you can folks.Only a blind person could not see through this crap.Support Rosie as she makes it a point to say something everyday about the truth on The View.
- sollycardy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Mind control (the history channel):
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-2927316845773056069 - drxavier, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14I don't agree with every point in this essay, but the VT shooting story is so full of anomalies and unanswered questions, that one would have to ask what is really going on here. Initial reports were that the shooter was six feet tall. Cho is only 5'8". His "confession video" was lifted straight from a Korean B-movie. Wouldn't he have anything at all original to say or offer even the slightest personal detail that would explain his motive for such an act? Why did he go to the Engineering Building? If he had a beef with anyone, wouldn't it be in the English Dept. since he was an English Major? And where did he acquire his proficiency with handguns? Don't tell me that came from playing video games using toy guns! What I find most annoying is the treatment of the story by the mainstream media. Instead of examining facts and evidence and asking hard questions, they keep bringing out friends and relatives of the victims, and ask over and over again: "How do you feel?"
- theinsidejob911, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I do not understand why people say Alex Jones is a nut case and full of sh!t, but take the time to listen to his shows, get on his web site, read his articles, digg them, respond to them , come back to check on the post, respond to people, try to prove them wrong, throw insults, and expect us truthers not to realize: A. You are a disinfo operative. B. If you are not an operative you are a loser with to much time. C. You are dumb enough to do the job of a disinfo operative for free. You people suck at your jobs and or f$cking losers. GET A LIFE! Stop betraying your country with or with out a pay check.
- simbolo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Someone has to investigate and follow the links because the fake media will not.
- baiken, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17Here's the direct link to the picture of Cho in his marine fatigues, now pulled from wikipedia:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/april2007/190407killer.jpg - kluikart, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Who cares if they have conservative views? What does that have to do with the VT shooting?
- gonegoogling, on 10/12/2007, -11/+20Also the timing people, always mid april...????
- Coven, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Just to address the "engineering building" portion of your argument:
At least eleven fatalities were found in a French class (room 211), five in a German class (room 207), nine in a hydrology class (room 206), two in solid mechanics (room 204) and one in the hallway.
Just because its an Engineering building doesn't mean classes from other departments aren't being held in there. - baiken, on 10/12/2007, -2/+102 GUNSHOTS TO KILL YOURSELF!? What's wrong with this eyewitness (second-hand) testimony?
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/19/vtech.victims/index.html
"Her son was "absolutely scared to death," she said. "He kept his wits about him, but he was scared to death."
The gunman again shot Colin, hitting him in the shoulder and buttocks. Then he walked to the front of the classroom, she said.
TWO GUNSHOTS were followed by silence.
Police broke that silence as they stormed the room, shouting, "shooter down! black tag!" Goddard said, which apparently are code words indicating deaths at the scene." - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Better article, same subject but without the bs added on: http://kurtnimmo.com/?p=835
- ttravis84, on 10/12/2007, -10/+18Hey dibdidit... the top 10 school shootings rated by death toll are all many years after 1970. Before 1970 there are practically none done by students, and if so the student has 1 target in mind. The fact is we know video games are used to keep the subject of these ops further desensitized from reality. In the experiments key words or simulated suicide end the torture or pain that the doctors would be imposing on the would be assassin. Please read some declassified government documents before you shoot your mouth off.
- ttravis84, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11@ manmademark... yea i hear ya... mind control does not exist. There aren’t billion dollar research grants for it. The NSA and CIA havent been perefecting it for 55 years. This is too far fetched, surely nothing happens other than my day to day work, come home go to sleep. Get real, stop writing facts off as conspiracy nuts and actually use some critical thinking. Just because it is out of your normal perception of reality, does not mean it cant and doesnt happen.
- buzneg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Once you begin to understand how the powers that be work, Alex Jones has more credibility then mainstream media. CIA does mindcontrol tests on innocent people, that's a fact, now what do you think the CIA chief that signs off on that is willing to do??
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2927316845773056069&q=mind+control&hl=en
Where's there's secrecy and a fews things have come out you can bet there's much more that hasn't come out. - BravoLima, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Prison Planet has NEVER represented itself as Left or Right, because that is Hegelian Dialectic
doublespeak; nevertheless, what sort of idiot would think PP was Liberal??? Reduce the dosage! - depburns, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10I heard from a caller on the Alex Jones show about a woman, Cathy O'Brien, who predicted in the past that VT would be involved in an incident because of its many connections to things like NASA and Project Monarch, which is a mind control program. I immediately searched the Internet for references to her and her partner -- a former CIA operative -- who helped to deprogram her, Mark Phillips. If you go on Google Video, you can view many of her talks to various audiences, and she seems both very credible and very articulate about the processes used and their impact on the individuals involved. Given the subject matter, it is highly compelling viewing and sheds a great deal of light both on how the CIA uses mind control not just on individuals, but on the society at large. She was basically a mind control sex slave/spy who was programmed by trauma based mind control. What she discussed will blow your mind, I promise.
Watch these videos now before they get pulled!!!!!!! This is incredible power stuff and fits so neatly with everything that is going on currently!!!!!!
One point she made, which literally sent a chill down my spine, was that trauma makes people more suggestable and open to being lead where the abuser wants to take them. This made sense not just in the case of how individuals respond to abuse, but it also hit home in terms of the VT incident and 911.
When you present this proposition that the shooter was mind controlled, many will question "What could the motive be for a government body to act in this way?" The answer is in her lectures: by traumatizing the public and instilling deep fear within the individual members, they can be lead to allow for more intrusive actions against them. Look at what has already happenned. Already there is a media blitz for gun control, there were over 34 schools locked down in California today. Expect to see more police and checkstops, more social workers dropping by homes based on reports from schools, more pressure to drug kids. President Bush says we should be reporting on anyone who acts suspicious. We are all criminals now, all suspects, and we should all be afraid, very afraid.
Do you notice how many mission critical "problems" that demand "action by government" are popping up lately? The War on Terror, Global Warming, now the "War Against Loonies" which of course could be any one of us now. And each event serves to destabilize us and demoralize us so that we are less and less able to react effectively. That is, unless we can pull the curtains back and see Mr. Oz at the controls.
Interesting article I saw as well on the DIGG biggest political story highlights that the CIA has grown by 50% since Bush came into office. From what Ms. O'Brien talked about last night, many recruits are young Mormon men who have just finished their two year "apprenticeship" -- not the right word but the only one that comes to mind -- who are at that stage are highly suggestable. (Not knocking Mormons, just reporting what she said, which makes some sense to me.) In addition, she mentions that many CIA agents go through various types of brainwashing and programming. As well, this has been going on since at least 1947 when the US took much of the materials that Adolf Hitler had developed and expanded upon them. In actual fact, trauma based mind programming goes all the way back to the Egyptian Book of the Dead.
Ms O'Brien also states that what the elites want to achieve is a totally mind controlled population "in the interest of world peace."
Again, go see these videos and show them to people!!!!! - Phoenix1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8prisonplanet.tv
infowars.com
prisonplanet.net
READ the real News there eh? - buzneg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7here's a link to Cathy O'Brien's video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7850559484065398098&q=Cathy+O%27Brien&hl=en - MAdaXe42, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Don't forget - he was using hollowpoints - one shot will do nicely.
- depburns, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10I heard from a caller on the Alex Jones show about a woman, Cathy O'Brien, who predicted in the past that VT would be involved in an incident because of its many connections to things like NASA and Project Monarch, which is a mind control program. I immediately searched the Internet for references to her and her partner -- a former CIA operative -- who helped to deprogram her, Mark Phillips. If you go on Google Video, you can view many of her talks to various audiences, and she seems both very credible and very articulate about the processes used and their impact on the individuals involved. Given the subject matter, it is highly compelling viewing and sheds a great deal of light both on how the CIA uses mind control not just on individuals, but on the society at large. herself was basically a mind control sex slave/spy who was programmed by trauma based mind control. What she discussed will blow your mind, I promise.
Watch these videos now before they get pulled!!!!!!! This is incredible power stuff and fits so neatly with everything that is going on currently!!!!!!
One point she made, which literally sent a chill down my spine, was that trauma makes people more suggestable and open to being lead where the abuser wants to take them. This made sense not just in the case of how individuals respond to abuse, but it also hit home in terms of the VT incident and 911.
When you present this proposition that the shooter was mind controlled, many will question "What could the motive be for a government body to act in this way?" The answer is in her lectures: by traumatizing the public and instilling deep fear within the individual members, they can be lead to allow for more intrusive actions against them. Look at what has already happenned. Already there is a media blitz for gun control, there were over 34 schools locked down in California today. Expect to see more police and checkstops, more social workers dropping by homes based on reports from schools, more pressure to drug kids. President Bush says we should be reporting on anyone who acts suspicious. We are all criminals now, all suspects, and we should all be afraid, very afraid.
Do you notice how many mission critical "problems" that demand "action by government" are popping up lately? The War on Terror, Global Warming, now the "War Against Loonies" which of course could be any one of us now. And each event serves to destabilize us and demoralize us so that we are less and less able to react effectively. That is, unless we can pull the curtains back and see Mr. Oz at the controls.
Interesting article I saw as well on the DIGG biggest political story highlights that the CIA has grown by 50% since Bush came into office. From what Ms. O'Brien talked about last night, many recruits are young Mormon men who have just finished their two year "apprenticeship" -- not the right word but the only one that comes to mind -- who are at that stage are highly suggestable. (Not knocking Mormons, just reporting what she said, which makes some sense to me.) In addition, she mentions that many CIA agents go through various types of brainwashing and programming. As well, this has been going on since at least 1947 when the US took much of the materials that Adolf Hitler had developed and expanded upon them. In actual fact, trauma based mind programming goes all the way back to the Egyptian Book of the Dead.
Ms O'Brien also states that what the elites want to achieve is a totally mind controlled population "in the interest of world peace."
Again, go see these videos and show them to people!!!!! - ttravis84, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11refugeechris... you obviously have no concept of how hard it is to kill 32 people with a .9 pistol. Like most of these effeminate half men you have probably never shot a gun in your life, and have no clue about gun safety. A .9 pistol is effective at close range and self defense but never used as a massive assault weapon . It takes a double tap to the head or a chest and head shot on each victim to kill them with this particular weapon. And one person, untrained, alone, supposedly schizophrenic, is going to be able to conduct this on his own? Schizophrenic’s can not plan anything, let alone something of this magnitude. This kid must have been one bad ***** is all I can say, in order to believe the bs CNN story one must accept that. Just like always… he tidies things up with a suicide at the end. Which does not fit the M.O. either. OH NO everyone turn your guns in, so the criminals will still get them, and you will be completely helpless.
- Bankal, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Drop a piece of concrete of the top of a 110 story building. Will it turn to powder and chase New Yorkers down the street in a pyroclastic flow? There simply isn't the energy to do that without some secondary source of energy. Just sit down and watch the "collapses" and really think about the laws of physics. Two building fall in under ten seconds each. The first fall would have to be an anomaly within itself, but to then add the second fall, and then building seven: that's a double-plus anomaly. I mean c'mon people you can't seriously believe that gravity and fire did all that damage. That's absurd! Just watch the collapses and listen to them. 911 Mysteries is the number one video on Google Videos unless they took it down. Watch it.
- depburns, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5They want to put us all on phsycotropic drugs. They have been planning it for years. Those at the top of the pyramid want us all hopped up so they can use us as sex toys, slaughter us in blood rituals and elimanate out our free will. They feel they own the planet and now have to act to protect their investment by wiping out the rest of us. We become lambs for the slaughter. Can't do it quickly but slowly, slowly add more and more restrictive measures, slowly cook the frog. They hope that one day they will be able to take complete control, and probably will rely on more trauma-based psychological attacks to further manipulate the population into submission.
But the bottom of the pyramid is always much more powerful than the top. If you reverse the power flow by waking enough people up, one at a time, patiently and calmly, even small groups can do amazing things. Now we don't even have to be connected directly, but indirectly through intention, sharing that intention at places like this. Very powerful. We are not alone. Never were.
"You can never solve a problem from the level you were at when the problem was created" -- paraphrasing Albert Einstein.
This does seem like a huge flowering in human awareness where our paradigm of life breaks down and then evolves into something greater, higher. Systems collapsing. Reorganization into a higher order is a natural process and you don't need many people to bring this form of consciousness alive. Out of this new solutions and ways of realting to each other evolven and it doesn't take many for things to florish. Remember the 100th monkey syndrom. A few get it and then everyone does. I think the key is in remaining fully aware of life, not allowing negative energy to burn us out with adrenaline. We can't hate, we can't kill to win, we have to avoid emotions like anger and hatred, reflecting on the situation just enough to surrender to what is, without angst, without resistance. From there the appropriate response will arise. We will also be in a healthier state.
If these guys want to be tyrants, let them bring it on. It will only reveal their madness that much faster. If God be with us, who could be against us? - kluikart, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8@dshpls
You are hopeless. I did not say anything about concrete losing its shape. I said pulverize as in turning to dust. Losing shape and turning to dust are not one in the same.
Pulverize: to ruduce(as by crushing or grinding) or be reduced to very small particles:demolish
Particle: a very small bit of matter - kahotep, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Here is an interview with Duncan O'Finioan, someone who claims to have been involved in MK-ULTRA during his youth. Duncan's describes how they use trauma-based mind control to create alternate personalities that will unflinchingly do whatever they are commanded to do without knowing or revealing the source of the command.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8816519826373820792 - portman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6dshpls... No, the GOVERNMENT loves it when there's a mass murder like this. THEY get to ratchet up their Police state. THEY get more funding and more power and more control over us. Alex Jones is a real American and a sensitive, compassionate, mature human being who is truly upset and sickenned when these things happen. At least he is looking into this case instead of automatically believing what the T.V. says. He always proves his case, and I've never seen a time when he didn't. What PROOF do YOU have that it ISN'T a Black Ops? All you and your ilk ever seem to resort to is character assassination anyway.
- RevBaxter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5You will be needing your guns before long. They know the truth about 9/11 is going to bring them down unless they take are guns frist.
- redspyder45, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5There are way to many problems and impossibilities with how this went down. AND it always has to be the way off the deep end wackos who get all the media coverage. It reeks of black-op completely.
- BravoLima, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5NASA has invested DECADES into research of Behavior Modification, aka Mind Control, usually in
concert with the CIA. A matter of public record; invest an hour on google and prove it to yourself. - Babykitkat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5My sympathy goes out to all the victims and families. The Key is 911Truth
- DigitalOmnivore, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I don't think prozac turns everyone into psycho killers (obviously) but it's also obvious that all of these people have looked for help, which is why they were on the drugs. It's also becoming apparent that while prozac (or just SSRI's) may not turn everyone into psycho killers, it sure does seem to be a common theme among them.
- ttravis84, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8No one is saying video games did this, it was a contributing factor.
- ttravis84, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6And yes if there is a double murder in dorms, and the perpetrator is not accounted for it is procedure to start taking measures as to securing campus. No one said "shut down" campus. The speakers were not even utilized to warn the students for 2 hours. That was the whole purpose of the speaker system to immediately warn the students. This school just had a shooting a year ago, so they were said to be on heightened security, and then this proves that irrelevant.
- portman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Hey LinearChaos- Since when has Alex Jones ever talked about Bigfoot and invasions from outer-space? Your a liar; you've never watched an Alex Jones video in your life or you would know that he is anything BUT about those topics. Your either a mis-informed schmuck or disinformation operative. Paul Watson is perhaps one of the greatest journalists on earth today for his age. He's just starting out and he's already light years ahead of these Million Dollar Mainstream Talking Heads. Cut out the meds,dude.
- jimmyb20032003, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5That's not true. Most physics-engines, in these games now, account for gravity over distance. God, I love violent video-games. However, I hate phsycotropic drugs. My parents were suckered into putting me on those when I was a young adolescent. They made me nutty, temprorarily. Although, I sometimes wonder if there were any permanent effects on my still-developing brain.
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