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- bg785, on 10/11/2007, -4/+38wow finally this is coming out. i really want to send out a ***** you to everyone who chastised me and people like me for questioning the validity of vote totals and voter suppression by republicans. "oh they would never do that" is what i would hear. yea well they did.
- noseeme, on 10/11/2007, -0/+21I for one welcome our new ‘’" overlords.
- shawnfassett, on 10/11/2007, -1/+20The Republicans have their Frank Lutz-approved language. Referring to 'caging' as 'direct mail' campaigns. Classy. Conservatives do NOT win elections according to Paul Weyrich: “Now many of our Christians have what I call the goo-goo syndrome — good government. They want everybody to vote. I don’t want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people, they never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."
- swrostmore, on 10/11/2007, -1/+19The term "Caging" comes straight from Tim Griffin's (hardly a Democrat) emails, the subject of which was "Re:Caging" and attached to which was the file "Caging-l.xls," which was a list of Democratic voters. You can view the emails on gregpalast.com.
- tizz66, on 10/11/2007, -2/+16Am I the only one seeing broken charsets all over Digg story titles since the update?
- bingymon, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13yes! about ***** time. anybody who's read Palast reporting on this knows that the whole sordid thing leads right back to Gonzales and the Rove bots in the white house.
- swrostmore, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12THE GOP are the ones who originally called it "caging" in internal emails, so stop trying to spin this like the Dems are just "villifying" them. As far as Democratic voter fraud, there hasn't been a single conviction despite it being the #1 priority for the DoJ for the past 7 years. It kind of makes you wonder if the DoJ was using non-existent Democratic voter fraud as an excuse to persecute Democratic politicians and voters.
- faithhealer, on 10/11/2007, -2/+12I'm sure Gonzales will put a real high priority on this.
/sarcasm - swrostmore, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10I see the apologist crowd is here, so before you post a thousand more "caging isn't illegal, clinton did it all the time" comments, just skip straight to this link explaining it:
http://www.gregpalast.com/raging-caging-what-the-heck-is-vote-caging-and-why-should-we-care/ - drn666, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10That BBC reports is by Greg Palast. You can get his book "Armed Madhouse". That story was news in Europe and nobody in the US covered it.
Americans, it seems, care more about installing sham democracies at gun point then ensuring the stability of their own. - deadowl, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Have any of you even seen the BBC report?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/3956129.stm - houndeyex, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8Is ‘ the ‘ new ‘ Digg ‘ busted? ‘
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6I see your point. It's OK for the GOP to rig an election because Ted Kennedy is fat.
- swrostmore, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8Whats getting old is apologists like yourself shrugging off blatant violations of the law as "party politics." This caging scheme would be illegal no matter who did it, so quit bitching about how the Democrats are just fishing for votes.
- swrostmore, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Too bad nobody reads Palast.
Did you know Karl Rove ran a "direct mail" company before he ran W. Bush? - swrostmore, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caging_list#Voter_suppression
The GOP has traditionally used caging lists to disenfranchise minority voters (who generally vote Democrat). - Razster, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7‘ is starting to become a new annoyance. I for one welcome this ‘.
- gus2074, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6This wouldn't even be talked about if the Democrats didn't have something to gain. Same would be true if this would benefit the Republicans. Is it me or is the whole American political duopoly thing getting pretty old?
- johnhummel, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5@seraph: Too bad after 7 years of investigations from the DOJ, they haven't found any. Then again, they'd have to have memories longer than a goldfish to do that, so maybe that's the problem.
- cthrall, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5FTA - "Caging is a voter suppression tactic whereby a political campaign sends mail marked “do not forward” to a targeted group of eligible voters. A more aggressive version involves sending mail to a targeted group of voters with instructions to sign and return an acknowledgment card. The campaign then creates a list of those whose mail was returned undelivered and challenges the right of those citizens to vote — on the ground that the voter does not live at the registered address."
From what I could tell, they sent cards marked "do not forward" to the domestic address of active duty military personnel who were overseas. The cards got returned...end result was folks who were serving were unregistered, so they couldn't vote. - UtahApocalyse, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Having Gonzales do the investigation is like having Al Capone investigate Organized Crime.
- totorototoro, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5I'm glad they are finally investiga....wait...Alberto Gonzales? HAHAAHAHAHAHHHA!!!
- ecorona, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Alberto Gonzales investigate caging by the GOP? HA HA HA Ha Ha ha. Good luck with that one. While you're at it, why don't you just ask the people at the head of the GOP to confess, build a jail, and go sit in it for a few years. Make sure you ask real nice-like too.
- coolkatz321, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4US Senate: Do you think, Mr. Gonzales, that you can lead this investigation?
Alberto Gonzales: I do not recall. - unity2k, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Finally, now if only the Digg community could be so proactive as we were on the release and subsequent trying to put the cat back in the bag regarding hex codes and dvd's. This issue involves the very heart and soul of our democracy, it is a practice that not too long ago we would have railed against. Vote fraud is un-American and plain old wrong.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Thank god somebody official is doing something about this. Maybe we should get the 3 million Americans who's vote didn't count, and have them stand outside the white house.
- swrostmore, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3@barombliss, from one of the links you provided:
""I haven't seen any fraud coming from this," Flynn said. "But I've always said that there is the possibility" - coolkatz321, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Kennedy has really turned his life around... I don't see you remarking about Bush's former drinking problem or his coke-snorting days. Stop being such total hypocrites and get over it-- the Dems are tired of this country being run into the ground by the Dufus-in-Chief
- geronimo, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Here are the files:
http://2004.georgewbush.org/deadletteroffice/attachments/Caging.xls
http://2004.georgewbush.org/deadletteroffice/attachments/Caging-1.xls
Take a look at the names. Charrise, Thaddeus, Leonard Jackson, Chasme, ReyShawn, Leroy, Tinisha, etc. etc.
I wonder what the statistical significance is of finding mostly black names, perhaps an investigation will find out. - Photokon, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3@5urr3al5am
people are against IDs for voting because for one, it requires an ID. The poorest people don't have IDs as those cost money. Requiring things which cost money to vote is inherently wrong. If the government were to give free IDs then there is nothing wrong in my view, but they don't. Voting is not about who has money.
I need to see proof about your absentee voting claim. Sounds fishy. - johnhummel, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Thank goodness for cut and paste - I can tell I'm going to have to explain this a lot today.
Here is the issue: it does not prove that you're not living there.
What if you're on vacation, or called to active service (oops - that "do not forward" won't get to you). What if the address is wrong in the database, and because "2230" was put in as "2220", well, now you don't get to vote, sucks to be you. Had an address change since you registered to vote and hadn't changed it yet?
Then there's the even worse methods of voter suppression used here in Florida, where there are laws saying that those convicted of a felony can't vote. So how do you know if someone's on the voting list who should be? Well, get a convict list from someplace like New Mexico, then look for "similiar" names (so if your name is Dashawn Willians and Dashaun Williams was once convicted of a crime, well, your name goes off the list because you *must* be the same person!).
So far, the cry of "voter fraud" has turned up nothing after some 6 years of investigations (save for some black lady who registered twice because when she went to vote her name wasn't on the list, so she filled out a new card, and then they found her original one, and a few small cases like that). But voter suppression (from oddly long lines in areas with minority voters, or mailing lists with incorrect voting addresses sent to - surprise! - areas with higher numbers of minority voters, or notices that those who vote with a pending parking fine can be arrested and so on - again in minority areas) - these cases seem to have been on the rise, and mainly ignored by our "fair and balanced" Justice Department.
Then again, members of the Justice Department these days can't seem to remember their own names on any given day, so maybe they can be forgiven for not remembering to do their jobs right.
Dang - I think my control-v keys are starting to wear out.... - UrbanVoyeur, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4I read the headline and foolishly hoped for a second that the Whitehouse demanding the investigation was our Chief Executive. Silly me.
- johnhummel, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3No, I've been seeing that as well, but no idea what the deal is.
- tidu, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5republicans suck just as much
- TrojanGuy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2About ***** time.
- johnhummel, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Here is the issue: it does not prove that you're not living there.
What if you're on vacation, or called to active service (oops - that "do not forward" won't get to you). What if the address is wrong in the database, and because "2230" was put in as "2220", well, now you don't get to vote, sucks to be you. Had an address change since you registered to vote and hadn't changed it yet?
Then there's the even worse methods of voter suppression used here in Florida, where there are laws saying that those convicted of a felony can't vote. So how do you know if someone's on the voting list who should be? Well, get a convict list from someplace like New Mexico, then look for "similiar" names (so if your name is Dashawn Willians and Dashaun Williams was once convicted of a crime, well, your name goes off the list because you *must* be the same person!).
So far, the cry of "voter fraud" has turned up nothing after some 6 years of investigations (save for some black lady who registered twice because when she went to vote her name wasn't on the list, so she filled out a new card, and then they found her original one, and a few small cases like that). But voter suppression (from oddly long lines in areas with minority voters, or mailing lists with incorrect voting addresses sent to - surprise! - areas with higher numbers of minority voters, or notices that those who vote with a pending parking fine can be arrested and so on - again in minority areas) - these cases seem to have been on the rise, and mainly ignored by our "fair and balanced" Justice Department.
Then again, members of the Justice Department these days can't seem to remember their own names on any given day, so maybe they can be forgiven for not remembering to do their jobs right. - stepnw1f, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2@5urr3al5am,
You really want to bring up a ***** claim like that from the 2000 election? Man are you desperate... these new stories must make you miserable. In case you had forgotten, which I seriously doubt, that story was about the 2000 election in which BUSH stole with the help of then Secretary of State, Katherine Harris and the Supreme Court, which was unconstitutional. Admit it. What you want to claim the dems do, is not only fictitious *****, but pales in comparison to what your political party has been caught doing.
Well, lookie what I have here:
Proof of Ohio Election Fraud Exposed...Not "Voter fraud" but ELECTION FRAUD by the Republican Party
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/121604Z.shtml
Oh, that's just one link... there is much much more. - swrostmore, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3the part I dont believe is the part that is RELEVANT: that 1/3rd of votes cast in RI were fraudulent. You have NOTHING to back up this allegation. I'd think that someone, somewhere, would have written about this, considering it would probably be the largest case of voter fraud in history. You know, if you hadn't just made it up.
also learn how to use the "reply" button - jae1227, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2This is all they talk about on Air America. I am glad some senators are doing something about it.
- swrostmore, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3maybe they should investigate why your mother's abortion didn't work
- johnhummel, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3And - here I go again:
Here is the issue: it does not prove that you're not living there.
What if you're on vacation, or called to active service (oops - that "do not forward" won't get to you). What if the address is wrong in the database, and because "2230" was put in as "2220", well, now you don't get to vote, sucks to be you. Had an address change since you registered to vote and hadn't changed it yet?
Then there's the even worse methods of voter suppression used here in Florida, where there are laws saying that those convicted of a felony can't vote. So how do you know if someone's on the voting list who should be? Well, get a convict list from someplace like New Mexico, then look for "similiar" names (so if your name is Dashawn Willians and Dashaun Williams was once convicted of a crime, well, your name goes off the list because you *must* be the same person!).
So far, the cry of "voter fraud" has turned up nothing after some 6 years of investigations (save for some black lady who registered twice because when she went to vote her name wasn't on the list, so she filled out a new card, and then they found her original one, and a few small cases like that). But voter suppression (from oddly long lines in areas with minority voters, or mailing lists with incorrect voting addresses sent to - surprise! - areas with higher numbers of minority voters, or notices that those who vote with a pending parking fine can be arrested and so on - again in minority areas) - these cases seem to have been on the rise, and mainly ignored by our "fair and balanced" Justice Department.
Then again, members of the Justice Department these days can't seem to remember their own names on any given day, so maybe they can be forgiven for not remembering to do their jobs right. - gamebittk, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4"Sens. Kennedy, Whitehouse Demand Justice Dept. Investigation Into ‘Caging""'
Is that Spainish for Al-Quaeda?' - stepnw1f, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I heard that clip, and yup, it sums up the powers to be in the conservative circle. They HATE democracy and never believed in it.
- swrostmore, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2@seraph is "never" really longer than "7 years?"
- fuzzmeister, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Doesn't everyone love an ad hominem?
- DigitalDisease, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Here's a few more scandals http://www.digg.com/politics/Ultimate_Scandal_Megathread
- DeucesWild, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4BR‘KING: Digg busted.
- swrostmore, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3I'm calling ***** considering I cant find a single source w/ google that verifies this actually happened. Did you just make up that story?
- stepnw1f, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1dumb, Lol... debunked...
- SquidLips, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3What part of my post did you not believe? That Rhode Island is corrupt? That voter fraud was rampant?
Susan Farmer was the Rhode Island secretary of state from '83-'87 http://www.sec.state.ri.us/library/riinfo/secretaries-of-state-1640-present/
She was the first honest person to hold the office in many, many years. She changed the way voter information pamphlets were mailed out so that if they could not be delivered, they would be returned. She was shocked when the office was flooded with returned mailings. Unfortunately this was before the internet so there is little on there about it. I could dig up the article if need be... -
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