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- aahpandasrun, on 10/12/2007, -2/+62A senator that doesn't sell out to corporations? Unheard of!
- Sarki, on 10/12/2007, -2/+58Sununu is probably the most libertarian of all of the Republicans in Congress that sits in on these matters. He has support from a lot of Dems, so this could really happen!
- Gryffydd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+49@jodokast
Sorry dude, when it comes to that kind of thing politicians are politicians. - soogy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+44Not just that, this guy actually KNOWS what he's talking about. He got his dad got a PhD from MIT back in '66, and he himself has a Master's degree in engineering from MIT as well.
- soogy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+46"He got his dad got" -- yes, I am the king of stuff that don't make any sense. I ran out of time to edit my comment.
- DeepDoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+28eff the broadcast flag.
If you beam it into my house, I will do what I darn well please with it. - wild, on 10/12/2007, -0/+28Sounds good to me. I am letting your product into my home. Let me do what I want with it.
- nipuL, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27Not if it's digital
- whiledo, on 03/25/2009, -4/+24"Is that because he has an "R" next to his name?"
No, it's because he's a POLITICIAN. Have you seen some of the ***** these people get up to? - nadcraker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19Can we now look at the DMCA?
- zweben, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18Is it just me, or did all the reasonable republicans come out of hiding after Bush lost his popularity?
I like this guy. - drjones78, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17More than likely hes just sold out to the right corperations.. ;)
The big tech industry isnt really fond of having to cripple their products to bow to the entertainment industry.
Yea, Yea, I know I'm cynical. Hopefully your right though, and he isnt sold out to anyone! - whiledo, on 03/25/2009, -3/+19Finally, a politician with a clue.
Well, at least on this one issue. I fully expect to hear him say something next week that makes my head asplode. - Gryffydd, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18@buss
Wait...what? Did you actually think raising the minimum wage was a good thing? - loup, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11The broadcast flag wouldn't effect the people that massively violate copyright, it would only effect the home user.
right now, fair use says that you can make a copy of something broadcasted to you for personal use, the broadcast flag would allow the broadcaster to disallow you to make such a copy, or limit what you can do with it once you've made the copy. Lets say I recorded House on tuesday and wanted to watch it on my portable media player, if I was using all equipment that supported the broadcast flag, and the broadcaster didn't want me to be able to do this, I wouldn't be able to.
But wait, what about the people that redistribute the broadcasted content over the internet or pressed their own DVDs or whatever they wanted to do, how long do you think it would really take them to break through the broadcast flag restrictions? There are some pretty smart and determined people that love to do this sort of thing, I don't think it would take them long at all.
So, in the end, who would be effected? The average consumer, not the copyright violater.
And if the broadcast flag wouldn't restrict my personal use, what would be the point of it anyway? if I could get around it so could a pirate - dennbruce, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8What's going on in congress - first net neutrality, now an end to the broadcast flag. I almost feel a renewed faith in congress. Almost.
- parker1105, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Are you kidding? Everyone should have the right to rip off anyone's intellectual material without compensation. Unless you want to rip off mine.
- devzer0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6And to think I disrespected Senator Sununu. Wow. Nice going, Senator S!
- nixonrichard, on 10/12/2007, -10/+15"I fully expect to hear him say something next week that makes my head asplode."
Is that because he has an "R" next to his name? Not *all* republicans pray to Voldemort. - dragonmantank, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"Yes, the broadcast flag proposals allow you to do ALL of that. Broadcast Flag ONLY address mass redistribution of broadcast content."
Unless the program set the flag to not allow me to record it, down sample it, or save it to a hard drive. FTA: "The flag is a short analog or digital signal embedded into broadcasts that specifies what users can do with the content. It would most often be used to prevent any copying of broadcast material". From Wikipedia: "Possible restrictions include inability to save an unencrypted digital program to a hard disk or other non-volatile storage, inability to make secondary copies of recorded content (in order to share or archive), forceful reduction of quality when recording (such as reducing high-definition video to the resolution of standard TVs), and inability to skip over commercials."
So, this means that if NBC sets 'The Office' to only allow the HD signal to be recorded but not duplicated, I can't move it to the laptop or the iPod (and possibly the DVD, not sure about that). So I get to only do what I want with it, -if NBC lets me-, regardless if I'm going to redistribute it to the world or not.
"If the hardware you use doesn't pay attention to that flag, then no, it makes no difference."
One of the earlier drafts for the flag included that all consumer electronics would have to recognize the flag or be considered illegal. From wikipedia: "In theory it would likely be illegal for open-source projects such as the MythTV project, which creates personal video recorder (PVR) software, to interface with digital television demodulators." So, if the flag becomes part of TV, I have to get a box that would recognize the flag the next time I upgrade my hardware.
Am I wrong in these assumptions? - BHRecon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@zybch
By chance are u still trying to pass kindergarten? - whiledo, on 03/25/2009, -0/+4Though it might have been a troll, I'm going to correct it anyway.
The current Sununu (John E.) was first elected in 2002. He is the junior senator from NH.
John H. Sununu was governor of NH and was Chief of Staff under GHW Bush. He is also John E. Sununu's father. - SniperSlap, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Oooooor.....
Television & movie studios can go ***** themselves. - Shabadoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Are we sure this guy's a Republican?
- freff, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5We'll see what happens the next time the Network Neutrality issue comes up. This guy has been hardcore against, and is heavily funded by the telco/isp's.
- skipere, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3He's my new best friend
- dragonmantank, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Does the broadcast flag allow me to record something with my AiW, then convert that file into a format that supports my iPod as well as burn it to a DVD so that I can watch it downstairs on my big TV instead of my upstairs TV? Can I copy the file to my laptop and hook it up to a projector or a TV at a relative's home to watch it that way? All without the fear of the file self destructing after X amount of time.
If so, I don't care then. Otherwise, I don't want the broadcast flag. I don't have enough time to watch TV, but I bring my iPod with me everywhere so that I can catch up on podcasts and TV shows, not to mention taking my laptop on trips. - Corrosionx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Well he seems libertarian, and the last thing libertarians want to do is have the government regulate the internet.
Thank a libertarian today. - Skyhoper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The MPAA and RIAA organizations and their lobbyist are intellectual and consumer terrorist (cliche but I'm passionate). This is one thing I can support a Republican on.
- Smeed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3That will come when they do away with the way the MPAA/RIAA conduct "business"
- TootsMutant, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Huh. Must be a semi-decent politician. I only seem to agree with him about half the time, which I s'pose is a good thing.
- dragonmantank, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I don't think the FSM approves of those kinds of pirates...
- hode, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Then do what you want, because a pirate is free!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEBbu-wkKrs - GoldenChild1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3They can't stop me, I'm a pirate!
- Spr0k3t, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Spr0k3t, if you believe that, then expect to spend a LOT more money for cable and satellite. If you make it increasingly difficult for broadcasters to justify and recoup the cost of hiring artists and engineers to create the content, then expect the investments to go elsewhere. You'll be able to send more reality programming and user generated content to your friends around the world, and you'll pay a gatekeeper for the good stuff."
Are you kidding me? Of course I believe that. It is the very reason why I refuse to spend any money on Cable/Satellite. Both venues are in some way tied to the M.A.F.I.A. (Media And Film Industry of America), so any chance I can legally rip them off... I will. Who cares of the bills of cable and satellite going up... I'm not paying for it. Until either support a method to get the channels I want a la cart and not pay for the channels I don't want, Cable/Satellite is overpriced for what you get.
Get it through your head = Reality programming (American Idle, Survivor, Big Brother, Real Life, etc.) is crap. Oh yeah, I correct the spelling of my name. - fantasticFlan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Without the R majority, there's less benefit to toeing the party line and less chance of "punishment" for acting independently.
- dragonmantank, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@Backwards2
1) Please tell me how the broadcast flag will be able to differentiate me from the people that redistribute TV shows en mass. I would appreciate links.
2) What about cable channels such as Comedy Central, HBO, CNN, Nickelodeon, VH1, Cartoon Network, SpikeTV, USA, ESPN, and other non-over-the-air channels I can get on TWC or DirecTV? How will I be affected by them? - Oceas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2He's sponsored by Tivo.
- freff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yeah, look up his funding, and his voting record on net neutrality. He's very anti network neutrality and has his hands in some deep telco pockets. We'll see where he stands when that issue comes up.
Other then that, he's not that bad a guy. - pjpete, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@Backwards2:
Right there what you said... 'Over the air broadcasts' - they are slowly doing away with that also. I would assume if you were 'so up' on this particular issue, you would know that. None the less, do you have a cable box, or rabbit ears? Unless your one of the few people still tuning in over the air signal, this would affect you. - jodokast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Ok, that video is just scary.
- shampoovta, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yar har fiddle dee dee I get all my movies off the TV. Then there transcoded to MP3 because I am I pirate!
I am a pirate! - loup, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Backwards2
explain exactly how a broadcast flag would block massive redistribution without limiting what I personally can do with the content. Don't just say "yes, you can record the content and it's only to block massive redistribution." Actually explain how it is possible.
The only way that I can see would be to create multiple types of devices that are designed to interact with one another and will only allow copying from one supported device to another and block any attempts to copy the content to an unapproved device. Doing this would keep me from putting the video on the device that I want to use to watch the video, as it does not currently support the broadcast flag, and I do not want to be forced to update or upgrade my device to allow it to support the flag. - dragonmantank, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I used the AiW card as an example, but I think the point is still valid. DRM still only 'allows' me to do things in addition to disallowing me from doing things. iTunes DRM allows me to play a song on 5 authorized computers and my iPod, but at the same time I'm 'not allowed' to play it on my MuVo. I'm also out the amount of money I paid for the music if I loose it all in a hard drive crash and Apple decides that I can't redownload it, but then again, DRMed music is pretty much renting music anyway.
What you are saying pretty much proves my point though. The recorded content (regardless of what box it comes from, my PC or a special ATI blackbox) will get a list of authorized uses on what it can do. Let's say I get an ATI box and I have a PC that is deemed worthy of using it with. I set up a recording for The Simpsons at 8pm on Sunday because on Sundays I play D&D and miss it (I'll use a broadcast network as an example, since according to Backwards2 cable channels will be exempt and the FCC can't restrict my over-the-air broadcasts, which I have none of. I am unable to receive Fox at my home without the wonder TWC, and unless there is some magical other kind of channel I don't know about I don't see who is covered by the flag).
At 8pm the ATI box fires up, and the first bit of info it sees is this - "Episode can be copied to 1 authorized device and expire after 3 days" Since it has to save this to the computer, it marks the '1 device' part of that as being completed and starts the clock for deletion at 8:30pm. I go to work Monday and am told I need to leave for California for a week for an important meeting. When I get home a week later, my recording is deleted. Thanks DRM! - dragonmantank, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Backwards2
If over-the-air broadcasts cannot be interfered with by the FCC (and therefore not the broadcast flag), and cable channels are covered by my agreement with the cable company.... what channels would be affected? - kristov, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Im amazed to see a "R" actually doing something for the good of the people instead of good for his own checkbook - very amazed indeed. I wish more of them would follow suit.
- loup, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@backwards2
"1) that is a policing issue. If you are massively redistributing broadcast flag marked content, then you will be pretty easy to find. Hacking works both ways. There is no anonymity on the web."
I guess I missed this the last time I looked through your burried comments. Based on this comment I'm going to guess what you mean is that the devices that record the broadcasted content would end up adding a small amount of data to the video/audio to uniquely identify it to the recording device, this isn't the broadcast flag, this is called watermarking. Watermarking has already proved to be ineffective against someone determined to remove said watermark as long as they know it's there. - tripple-breve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It's about ***** time somebody took a stand. Thank goodness my senators (Leahy & Jeffords) have a brain and keeps voting this ***** down.
- Spr0k3t, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Restricting my right to massively redistribute content broadcast over the airwaves is a violation of my rights. If something is broadcast to the public, there should not be any restrictions to redistribute the same to the public. In other words, if I record a show that is only available in the US (for instance, Lost), and I want my friends in the UK to see the show... I should not be held back for offering it to my friends. This is the very reason why I still have a beta deck. I can record anything with it and it rips the macrovision out of the recording.
Media and Film can go back off in their own jack yard. - jtown, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1For people asking if broadcast flags will allow them to do certain things, you're not understanding what the proposed broadcast flags (or any type of DRM) will do. There is nothing about them that is designed to "allow" anything. They impose increasing levels of restriction. They DISallow specific actions. The question is whether it will PREVENT you from doing certain things with the content.
DRM provides absolutely no benefit of any kind to any consumer. There is no way any form of DRM can enhance or improve any content as used by consumers. It's entirely subtractive. It can only prevent playback, reduce quality, restrict movement, deny access, etc.
@DRAGONMANTANK
"Does the broadcast flag allow me to record something with my AiW, then convert that file into a format that supports my iPod as well as burn it to a DVD so that I can watch it downstairs on my big TV instead of my upstairs TV? Can I copy the file to my laptop and hook it up to a projector or a TV at a relative's home to watch it that way? All without the fear of the file self destructing after X amount of time."
To answer your specific questions, it depends on the format. Pretty soon, all cable content will be digital. Your AiW will not be able to receive any content because it's not a digital tuner. So, in the very near future, the answer will be, "No." Not specifically because of broadcast flags or any other DRM but because your AiW will be obsolete. You'll have to rent a box from the cable company to feed video to your AiW. Not HD, though. Even if your AiW could take HD input, there's no way they'd put it through a non-DRM output at full resolution. (Keep an eye on those component outputs. They can (and almost certainly will) reduce the quality on analog outputs.)
ATI just announced a cablecard-compatible box that will let you receive digital cable on your computer. Well...not YOUR computer. Specific, pre-approved computers that meet the specifications of Cable Labs (the guys who handle cablecards). Of course, that box will be locked down and subject to whatever DRM restrictions are in place at that time (and to whatever new rules they come up with in the future) which will certainly not allow you to modify the content or move it onto other devices without permission.
Tho, for a fee, maybe they'll let you transfer that content to certain pre-approved devices. Restricted copies, of course, that will only play on devices registered to you and probably expire after XX days.
Content providers won't rest until they have absolute control over ever scrap of content they put out. -
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