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- GrandmaSheila, on 02/14/2008, -18/+177Welcome to the USSR. From this moment on, everything they do to us is "legal". Torture, spying, rendition, alllll ok. No problem about ex post facto laws, they've all agreed to ignore that. Now they officially own us all, so wear that bar-code with pride.
Oh, and Scalia announced that the Constitution doesn't ban torture, and if he were king, he'd hang flag burners. So we have confirmation of what we knew, the SCOTUS is in the bag. So go vote for the candidates the corporations have selected for you, after the superdelegates and whoever make their final choices for you at the conventions. The choice of sock puppet is irrelevant, as are we all.
Don't you love the smell of Moscow in the morning? - unlawflcombatnt, on 02/14/2008, -9/+148Here is the Senate vote to suspend the 4th Amendment:
Democrats voting "yes":
Evan Bayh (D-IN), Tom Carper (D-DE), Robert Casey (D-PA), Kent Conrad (D-ND), Daniel Inouye (D-HI), Mary Landrieu (D-LA) Joe Lieberman (ID-CT), Blanche Lincoln (D-AR), Claire McCaskill (D-MO), Barbara Mikulski (D-MD), Bill Nelson (D-FL), Ben Nelson (D-NE), Mark Pryor (D-AR), Jay Rockefeller (D-WV), Ken Salazar (D-CO), Jim Webb (D-VA), Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI)
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*All Republican senators voted "yes," except for Lindsey Graham (South Carolina) who did not vote. ***
Democrats voting "no":
Daniel Akaka (D-HI), Joe Biden (D-DE), Jeff Bingaman (D-NM), Barbara Boxer (D-CA), Sherrod Brown (D-OH), Robert Byrd (D-WV), Maria Cantwell (D-WA), Ben Cardin (D-MD), Chris Dodd (D-CT), Byron Dorgan (D-ND), Dick Durbin (D-IL), Russ Feingold (D-WI), Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Tom Harkin (D-IA), Edward Kennedy (D-MA), John Kerry (D-MA), Amy Klobuchar (D-MN), Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ), Pat Leahy (D-VT), Carl Levin (D-MI), Robert Menendez (D-NJ), Patty Murray (D-WA), Jack Reed (D-RI), Harry Reid (D-NV), Bernie Sanders (I-VT), Charles Schumer (D-NY), Debbie Stabenow (D-MI), John Tester (D-MT), Ron Wyden (D-OR)
Senator's Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama did NOT vote on the bill, though Obama did vote earlier in the day to support removing telecom immunity. Apparently they were both too busy pandering to special interest groups, preventing them from performing the job they're paid to do. Now both of them can take either side of the issue, depending on which special interest group they're currently pandering to.
Though it's no surprise many spineless Dems caved in, instead of defending the Constitution, some of the "yes" votes are surprising--especially the "yes" votes from McCaskill, Webb, and Whitehouse.
The winning back of the Senate and House by Democrats has accomplished nothing whatsoever. In fact, it's made things worse still.
The trumped up "War on Terror" does NOT justify repealing the 4th Amendment, nor suspending the Constitution. This country has never, in its entire history, been safer from outside attack or internal insurrection than it is at present. There is no danger of nuclear holocaust, no danger of revolution, & no danger of civil war
Despite the unprecidented safety & security Americans enjoy today—Americans have never, EVER been at greater risk of losing our freedom, our liberty, and our Constitutional rights than we are today. The biggest threat to our liberty & way of life is NOT from terrorism, "Islamo-fascism," or Islamic jihad.
The gravest threat is our own government. And the threat has increased still further, following the 2006 election. Numerous Democrats have now joined with Republicans, accelerating the drift toward the Tyranny of a Corporate Dictatorship, and a government run by Corporations,
instead of by "we, the people."
http://www.unlawflcombatnt.proboards84.com/ - inactive, on 02/14/2008, -5/+125Abraham Lincoln stated, “I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me, and causes me to tremble for the safety of our country. Corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people, until wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the republic is destroyed.”
Happy Birthday Abe... - retrorambler, on 02/14/2008, -12/+106It is a sad day for any of us that call ourselves liberals. Another case of the liberals in power rolling over and dying for GW. I am so sick of this!
- strafefire, on 02/14/2008, -6/+65Who ever said that the Democratic party was liberal? The way I see it, both parties are one and the same -- they just PRETEND not to be...
- jonthebishop, on 02/14/2008, -6/+53It is not too late to stop this. It hasn't passed the house yet. The EFF has setup a page to write your representatives. Digg it, this is important: http://www.digg.com/politics/URGENT_Last_chance_to ...
- inactive, on 02/14/2008, -6/+45The main thing in the Nazi's plan, though, was that their takeover had to be achieved THROUGH LEGAL MEANS. They had tried to take over by force years before in "the Beer Hall Putsch", and it ended badly for them.
- Heysal, on 02/14/2008, -3/+40We need to start our own war -- bankrupt any telecom that was involved in this - our dollars, or the revocation of them, will speak louder than the self serving fascists.
- heartBaker, on 02/14/2008, -4/+39Cowards, hypocrites and purchased agents.
- Clp727, on 02/14/2008, -2/+37How many people contacted their Senators and Representatives prior to this vote? I did, and was ignored.
- vegask, on 02/14/2008, -0/+33Spineless Democrats:
Evan Bayh (D-IN),
Tom Carper (D-DE),
Robert Casey (D-PA),
Kent Conrad (D-ND),
Daniel Inouye (D-HI),
Mary Landrieu (D-LA)
Joe Lieberman (ID-CT),
Blanche Lincoln (D-AR),
Claire McCaskill (D-MO),
Barbara Mikulski (D-MD),
Bill Nelson (D-FL),
Ben Nelson (D-NE),
Mark Pryor (D-AR),
Jay Rockefeller (D-WV),
Ken Salazar (D-CO),
Jim Webb (D-VA),
Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI)
All Republicans voted for it. Obama and Clinton did not vote. - inactive, on 02/14/2008, -10/+40LOL
*****.
Your name is a joke.
There is nothing more pathetic than some ignorant jackass who picks a name that signifies wisdom.
You don't see ANYTHING.
Your little rightard blinders are making a fool of you.
Well, actually your stupid comments supporting corruption and criminal acts make you a fool.
But being dumb enough to believe that crap you type makes you a *****.
That's EXACTLY what the Bush regime wants, so good for you. - PhantomRogue, on 02/14/2008, -2/+31Its more about showing their true colors, which is green. They are all bought and paid for by big business.
- inactive, on 02/14/2008, -2/+28F/ck Barbara Mikulski ( F-MD )
- joshua5, on 02/14/2008, -4/+26Obama DID vote to strike the telecom immunity provision. Clinton was absent and McCain voted to keep immunity
- ZWarren69, on 02/14/2008, -2/+23You know whats funny? The two democratic "saviors" didn't even go and vote on this bill. Change? Yea right. In the house, you know Ron Paul and Dennis Kuccinch will stand against the bill. At least they give a *****.
- vegask, on 02/14/2008, -1/+22We need to make a list of the senators that approved this. And make sure they are never re-elected for this one single reason.
- BrainInAJar, on 02/14/2008, -0/+19encrypt.
encrypt everything, always.
Anything you say in plain text is public. Encrypt anything you wouldn't shout on the street corner. - inactive, on 02/14/2008, -1/+17As much as I detest GW, this was passed by the Senate. These people are supposed to represent their state. That went out the window with the 17th amendment....which was never properly ratified.
Every true American should be flying their flag upside down for we are truly a nation in distress. - slightlygifted, on 02/14/2008, -0/+16grab your guns. were changing this.
- mochaman, on 02/14/2008, -0/+16Upholding the constitution is not a about being liberal or conservative: is about being American. The problem is that the leadership in this country is more concern about pandering to mega corporations.
- inactive, on 02/14/2008, -1/+16Seems Thomas Jefferson and George Washington got down to business in 1776 when faced with the task of throwing off tyranny. What can we learn from them...
- beasty_dave_Mk2, on 02/14/2008, -0/+15because moderates just lurk and mope.
- Akairenn, on 02/14/2008, -3/+18Yes, because they had so many phones back in the 1700's. "Papers" is the key word you should be looking at. Guess how communication between two parties over a distance was done back in the day?
Yeah, that's right. The idea that this doesn't violate the fourth ammendment because George Washington wasn't prescient enough to envision the telephone is ridiculous at best.
Oh, well, the Constitution was nice while it lasted. - chardos, on 02/14/2008, -2/+16Can we vote to repeal all the senators who voted 'yes'?
- inactive, on 02/14/2008, -1/+15If a law is unConstitutional, it is not legal. The fact that these bastards have sworn an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution and then vote for something like this shows them for the traitors that they are.
They make unConstitutional law and then enforce it at the end of a barrel. That, is NOT freedom. If you think you live in a free country (those who live in the US) then they have you exactly where they want you.
The rest of us will keep our powder dry for what lies ahead. - Rodman930, on 02/14/2008, -0/+14If it's not illegal, why is there any need for immunity? Your argument = Destroyed
- InorganicMatter, on 02/14/2008, -0/+14Those gutless cowards gave in after getting elected on a promise they wouldn't. The Democrats just lost every ounce of my respect. Holy cow, that pisses me off.
- FoolishMortal, on 02/14/2008, -0/+13Are you kidding? It is a sad day for us conservatives as well. In fact for anyone in this country, for all Americans, it is a sad day.
- jascination, on 02/14/2008, -2/+13I think his/her point was that it's their job to defend the constitution and rights of the cohort FIRST. This bill was far too important to abstain from due to campaigning.
- inactive, on 02/14/2008, -3/+14Are you sure there's no revolution brewing? ....because I see one in the making.
- pushmouse, on 02/14/2008, -2/+13Plus ALL the Republicans
- elnerdo, on 02/14/2008, -1/+12Never re elect ANYONE. Ever.
- redthirteen, on 02/14/2008, -6/+17Can someone tell us how the US citizen can get this S*n of the B*itch, off the White House. His action is insane. He is destroying our country. He is burning the Bill of Rights. I am sick of reading in the news that he is doing anything he wants to destory this great country and no one is stopping this S*n of the B*tch. NO ONE
- reedatschool, on 02/14/2008, -1/+12Don't know why you are being dugg down. It is long been known that "wealthfare" has exceeded welfare by several times. We give far more money to private corporations than any other country in the world. Some people may not like the term fascist, but I fail to see a better term for the amount our government is controlled by corporations.
So grow up and admit that we are all living in a fascist corptocracy so we can make the moves necessary to change it. Denying the truth only furthers our inability to deal with the problem. - Fallout911, on 02/14/2008, -0/+11What do you expect from a government that is filled with old decrepit corrupt men and women?
They are all treasonous bastards starting with Pelosi. - capiCrimm, on 02/14/2008, -3/+13This is my country, regardless of how ***** it gets. There aren't that many places remarkably better then the US, but that isn't a plus for the US. It's like saying if you were against Nazi Germany killing jews you should have just moved out.
- otakushark, on 02/14/2008, -1/+11By all means, tell us why this is a good idea for anyone except the telecoms.
I'm glad to see both my CA senators voted against it. - atxlonghorn84, on 02/14/2008, -4/+14I contacted my Senators, John Cornyn and Kay Bailey Hutchison-- Unfortunately, I am from Texas, and the majority of my state are too dumb to realize what is happening to our country. I live in Austin, where a lot of people are educated, but unfortunately, these horrible people get re-elected year after year to trample our civil liberties! I can't believe it.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article41 ...
If you call yourself an American-- read the article above. I have submitted it to Digg as well...FRIGHTENING! - fyngyrz, on 02/14/2008, -0/+9You're 100%, absolutely wrong. The 4th protects your private papers. This extends to your private papers traveling in the mail, meaning, along a post road (private or public) and in the hands of the postal persons. This extends to telecomm law, and is why your phone calls are also protected. It also extends to packets on the internet such as email. These things are the "private papers" of the 2000's; the fact that you cannot see this in no way makes it less true. The IDEA is that your communications should be secure as a basic right unless you are subject to a warrant, supported by oath or affirmation. That's CLEARLY what the 4th amendment is trying to accomplish. That is, it is clear unless you're a damned idiot.
- stubear, on 02/14/2008, -1/+10Forget never re-electing them, we need to find out how to sue them for "breach of contract". When they are sworn in they promise to uphold and defend the Constitution of the U.S. They lied and failed to uphold their end of the bargain.
- inactive, on 02/14/2008, -1/+10Dunno.
I called a few, and emailed the rest.
Here's a link with all their contact info: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/ ... - MikeSD34, on 02/14/2008, -0/+9I've done it repeatedly, but it never seems to help. Never gotten a reply either, not even a thank you or at least confirmation they read it.
- spunkmyer, on 02/14/2008, -2/+11Joe Lieberman is a disgrace to the people of Connecticut. He is such a perfect example of a "purchased politician."
- onegecko, on 02/14/2008, -0/+8Yes, AT&T has a right to tell people anything they want. The heinous part of this is that a citizen can no longer seek damages for them doing so. To protect large corporations in the same breath is ensuring a foundation for future elimination of privacy is a fascist maneuver.
- fishrjv, on 02/14/2008, -0/+8Is the digg self-promotion really necessary?
Here's the direct link: https://secure.eff.org/site/Advocacy?id=363 - sdigroup, on 02/14/2008, -1/+9The shadow of a new iron curtain falls upon our Great Nation. We the People no longer holds power. Our fore fathers are rolling in their grave.
- dizilbdog, on 02/14/2008, -1/+9Congress has long forgot about the constitution. Mr Bush has Won Congress is filled with more pussy's than a freshman college english class
- fyngyrz, on 02/14/2008, -0/+8Encrypt, in this context, is a synonym for "hide."
Now -- you tell me why I have to hide in my own country.
Or, I'll tell you: It's because the constitution no longer preserves my rights, because it is no longer considered, by the government, to be the constituting authority.
Still, I'd rather fix it than enter into an era of hiding and sneaking around. - baldr, on 02/14/2008, -8/+16"both too busy pandering to special interest groups" or maybe just just busy running for the position of President of the United States...
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