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- quesi, on 05/16/2008, -10/+251they should be ousted for not upholding their oaths.
- Bronnster, on 05/16/2008, -9/+211You afraid yet America?! You should be. Would never happen MY @##!
- inactive, on 05/16/2008, -7/+168It hasn't happened yet. Write your senators
- ad33lshahid, on 05/16/2008, -15/+164is there ANY doubt left that neocons WANTED 9/11 to happen? I mean look at how they have benefitted from it. 10 years ago I would never have imagined this to be America. How can anyone argue that this is truly to combat the "islamist" threat, as opposed to enslaving the rest of us to the elitist neocons and their zionist brethren.
- JDenigma, on 05/16/2008, -12/+132This doesn't surprise me one bit. We already have "hate crime" laws which are themselves thought crimes. This is just like an extension and another form of that. So they're already, ALREADY infringing upon our first amendment rights!
You know they're doing these things because they're afraid of us political activists. They will want to shut down the liberty activists in the freestateproject in N.H. and they want to silence us on the Internet because they're afraid of the Internet. We need to stay a step ahead of them. - JDenigma, on 05/16/2008, -5/+102You know Dr. No would never support trash like this.
- roosevans, on 05/16/2008, -7/+90The freedom of free speech via the Internet must be protected. I am not much of a "techie", but if the neo-cons take away that free speech via the Internet, I will become the number one hacker in the world and I won't be alone.
- ad33lshahid, on 05/16/2008, -3/+82everyone who is gifted/cursed to have the foresight to see these things coming is brushed off as a crazy tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist....
- AbdullahAbuDawu, on 09/12/2008, -4/+78See you guys in GTMO :)
- Farmgal123, on 05/16/2008, -4/+77I received a phone call from an organization called "Freedom ..." something or other (didn't catch the full name) soliciting me to call my senators and urge them TO vote for this act! There is money behind this. Who is this bogus group? They have the nerve to call me with scare tactics to support this to "protect us from Al Qaida" - her exact words, I'm not joking. She hung up in the middle of my polite rant against it. She was obviously a paid marketer - not an actual supporter of it.
Has anyone else received such a phone call? - inactive, on 05/16/2008, -4/+68The US federal government is the largest terrorist organization in the world.
- inactive, on 05/16/2008, -4/+58This is really the Orwellian nightmare not the Orwellian wet dream. This was not carried, but it does say that we are in hot water when some representatives are gullible enough to believe that thought can be regulated.... What am I saying..this is post-facto legislation for the 2001 coupe perpetrated upon us all.
- trumpydumpy, on 05/16/2008, -3/+54Thoughtcrime does not entail death: thoughtcrime is death.
- inactive, on 05/16/2008, -7/+54About the Thought Crimes Bill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-xf5IQFhQ0
And from Democracy Now!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GylkGRh6_DQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9fyZ62U8fc - buddyw, on 05/16/2008, -0/+43"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."
--Thomas Jefferson - inactive, on 05/16/2008, -4/+40And people think this country can be turned back to it's Constitutional roots peacefully? Not with a Congress full of oathbreakers in place be they R or D. Eventually the ***** gonna hit the fan here. I'm guessing my post here is a thought crime.
- ad33lshahid, on 05/16/2008, -1/+37I've posted about this before but any time they need to name something like this: "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007" and appeal to your emotions , they have something to hide. "PATRIOT Act" did the same thing--- if a senator were to vote against it, all you would see is "X votes against terrorism prevention act" plastered over the MSM and his career would be doomed because the people don't know what is actually IN the bill itself. Another example is Fox New's "Fair and Balanced" slogan, as if the viewer were allowed to come to his/her own conclusion-- they would certainly not think fox's reporting to be either fair nor balanced.
The ONLY possible way to prevent things like this from happening is to educate the average citizen about whats going on in our country and the world, and to maybe stop allowing these bills to be called something this ridiculous! or called anything at all. - inactive, on 05/16/2008, -5/+41while i still can...***** THE RIAA AND MPAA.
- inactive, on 05/16/2008, -3/+37BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU
- CompIsMyRx, on 05/16/2008, -1/+34WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH - emflory, on 05/16/2008, -0/+30Does anyone recall the part in the Declaration of Independence where Thomas Jefferson asserts that we should have a revolution every so often?
This is what happens when you don't listen to the people who invented your government. - AlwaysAwake, on 05/16/2008, -6/+34And this is a surprise ? To whom ? It's endgame time !!!!
- Look4Truth, on 05/16/2008, -4/+32The tyrannical police state is almost complete. They'll soon replace the free internet with one that's controlled and blame it on insufficient capacity on the "old" net.
I love the smell of tyranny in the morning...smells like...police state. - JDenigma, on 05/16/2008, -4/+32Hey, I support you, but come on, writing to your senators isn't going to do anything. They're not going to listen. Downsizedc.org is fine though. However, we're better off focusing our energies on real political activism to fight for liberty.
- Spamcan, on 05/16/2008, -1/+25More like the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Provoking Act. If this passes and is strictly enforced they'll point to the backlash and claim it's the cause giving them an excuse to strengthen and expand it.
- JedicodeWarrior, on 05/16/2008, -1/+24It looks like our elected officials have taken the Consitution and wiped their asses with it!
- ad33lshahid, on 05/16/2008, -3/+26exactly, i wouldn't be surprised that people digging this exact story up would be held accountable under the law for perpetrating a thought crime against the status quo
- inactive, on 05/16/2008, -2/+24NO, I WILL NOT COMPLY! PERIOD
Mario Salvio's Thought:
"There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part; you can't even tacitly take part, and you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machines will be prevented from working at all."
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tcx9BJRadfw - NikoKun, on 05/16/2008, -4/+25Scary... That's all I can really say...
And it's sad that most people in this country, are totally unaware of this bill... - inactive, on 05/16/2008, -0/+21In this case, I think that a record of dissension in the form of letters and emals will be important. There are Senators, like my Senator Feingold, who will vote against this piece of ***** bill. All senators need to see the level of distaste that the nation has for this further rape of our liberty
- inactive, on 05/16/2008, -20/+40This bill is outrageous! We need to protect our rights to use violence and terrorism in order to spread a political agenda! We must also ensure protection of any homegrown terror cells who seek to kill innocent people in order to carry out their agenda.
Out of curiosity, did anyone read this? From the bill:
"Prohibits Department of Homeland Security (DHS) efforts to prevent ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism from violating the constitutional and civil rights or civil liberties of U.S. citizens or lawful permanent residents. Directs the: (1) Secretary to ensure that activities and operations are in compliance with DHS's commitment to racial neutrality; and (2) DHS Civil Rights and Civil Liberties Officer to develop and implement an auditing system to ensure that compliance does not violate the constitutional and civil rights or civil liberties of any racial, ethnic, or religious group, and to include audit results in its annual report to Congress."
How dare they attempt to use the Constitution to protect people's civil rights and civil liberties!!
(do I need the sarcasm tag?) - DocCochran, on 05/16/2008, -1/+21Our Constitution states that it is the right of the people to overthrow a tyrannical government, does it not?
I wonder if, when a Thought Crimes bill does pass, enough people will revolt. Or if we'll be too convinced by the government logic that such bills are necessary to keep us safe. I believe a Ben Franklin quote would fit quite nicely here... :( - jjb123, on 05/16/2008, -0/+20I know, its nice have at least one sane person in Washington.
- JDenigma, on 05/16/2008, -0/+19Yup, time to brush up on those skills ;-)
much like studying from Sun Tzu's "Art of War" , The Anarchist Cookbook or an Army field manual or other such combat as a means of having the upper hand on your predator
When you become an enemy of the State much like Will Smith in that very same titled movie, it becomes important to learn your enemies strengths and weaknesses to use against them. - thinkingbear, on 05/16/2008, -1/+20I think the group you mean is Freedom's Watch, and you will be hearing more from them unfortunately. An extreme far right group sitting on $200M of corporate soft money to be used to swift boat Barack this fall. Foremost Republican dirty trickster in charge.
- foofightrs777, on 05/16/2008, -0/+19Perspective:
Deaths from Prescription Drugs 32,000
Suicide 30,622
Firearms 29,000
Car Accidents 26,347
Homicide 20,308
Sexual Behavior 20,000
HIV/AIDS 17,011
All Illegal Drugs 17,000
Anti-Inflammatory 7,600
Terrorism 310
http://preview.tinyurl.com/4f3efl - kcapxis, on 05/16/2008, -7/+26Is it time to hang treasonous domestic terrorists now?
- Hangly, on 05/16/2008, -1/+19Do you mean Ron Paul, or the James Bond villain?
- Wetzilla, on 05/16/2008, -0/+18This bill was created by a Democrat.
- JDenigma, on 05/16/2008, -2/+19@polishlogic
You're correct there in what you cite from that legislation. I went and checked that to verify what you quoted. However, in spite of that language used in the section you quoted, I still have some concerns about all of this.
I would say the portion of the language of the bill that bothers me the most is the reference to "violent radicalization" and the loose, vague definition of it that leaves it open to wide interpretation.
"`(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION- The term `violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change."
It is that definition and the very fact that it even has that in the bill, period, that is a bit disturbing and treads on dangerous ground. Adopting or promoting an "extremist belief system"? That rather sounds like they're approaching thought crimes there. Not to mention what one would consider to be the criteria for an extremist belief system supposedly facilitating ideologically based violence and who is the authority figure to define the terms in the first place. That kind of thing it seems can wind up easily being used against political activists who aren't even committing violence, particularly when it is in the hands of politicians who with a little modification of a bill's language here or there, can fundamentally change the meaning of that legislations power.
You cite the portion where it says........ "Prohibits Department of Homeland Security (DHS) efforts to prevent ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism from violating the constitutional and civil rights or civil liberties of U.S. citizens or lawful permanent residents."
Now, curiously, in that line you quoted, it includes the terms "ideologically based violence" and "homegrown terrorism" BUT it does not include the term "violent radicalization". Am I just splitting hairs here? I don't know, you have to watch these things very carefully and be cautious with the language used by government and how they slip things in. It just seems a bit odd that they should include two of those terms in that caveat, but leave the other one out.
Even if technically, this legislation has wording in it that is supposed to forbid infringements upon liberties, speech, privacy and all, we are still walking a fine line here in granting the government these powers in which all it would take is any slight change for the government to cross that Rubicon. Can we also necessarily trust that the government will obey simple words on paper though? I mean, we already know that the government for some time was illegally conducting surveillance in spite of laws saying otherwise. It is all of this that concerns me about legislation like this.
This is also on top of already other such legislation like the Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act. Even if you exclude this particular legislation, there is still enough to be alarmed about with this government.
Be aware, be very aware. - Hangly, on 05/16/2008, -2/+18The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.
- LumpyRevolution, on 05/16/2008, -0/+15Hey everyone! Let's party like it's 1984!
- dupems, on 05/16/2008, -1/+16This just goes to show you that you can't trust politicians of either major party. Wake up and realize that neither Democrats nor Republicans in power are trustworthy. The sooner America realizes that the better off all of us will be.
- phrenzy, on 05/16/2008, -0/+15What is funny is that all of these tools we are providing Bush to fight "terra" is only OK with Republicans because "we trust Bush to do the right thing". What they never seem to ponder is, what happens when a Democrat gets this power? What happens when precedent is set for incrementally losing liberty in the name of incrementally improving security?
If you look at the years before the end of the Roman republic, you will see an almost identical phenomenon. One leader needed X. .. OK ... The next one needed Y... OK. Eventually, Augustus took over as a full-blown "Emperor" and everything was still OK. But wait… What’s this… all of the power that had been cumulatively ceded to the Emperor now fell into the hands of Domitian, Nero and Caligula and all mechanisms in which to curtail their power had been lost. - RSS14, on 05/16/2008, -1/+16"There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live—did live, from habit that became instinct—in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized." - George Orwell, 1984
- inactive, on 05/16/2008, -0/+14Study the bill here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HR_1955
- inactive, on 05/16/2008, -6/+20You guys are busily worried about this stupid ***** while the Congess just passed a 300B Farm Bill that will further ruin us and slipped in plenty of amnesty provisions for illegal aliens.
- ad33lshahid, on 05/16/2008, -0/+14i call top bunk
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