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- 2trkpony, on 11/30/2007, -14/+235S 1959 "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007" must be stopped at all costs
Pick up your phone today and contact your US Senator's office to instruct them to vote "NO" on S.1959.
Please do not let them get away with this.
They'd rather keep it hidden, secret and not have anybody know what's going on.
And would rather you not become involved or voice your opinion so they can quietly sneak it through & pass it behind everyone's back.
Click here for your Senators contact info:
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/ ...
Full PDF text of the entire bill:
http://tinyurl.com/3a3y2z
If this bill is passed, and becomes law, your words and actions could be considered terrorism. S 1959 EVISCERATES FREE SPEECH, and empowers the government to declare ANYTHING they deem an "extremist belief system", instantly make you a terrorist, resulting in stripping of US citizenship, torture, and/or execution, with no habeas corpus rights, no ability to challenge even in the US Supreme Court.
Do you want to give the administration THAT much power at their discretion?
Contact your Senator and let them know they will be looking for another job if they vote yes on this bill, which is now introduced into the Senate as S.1959 THIS BILL **MUST NOT** BECOME LAW, PERIOD.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110 ...
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110 ...
If this becomes law, your words could be considered "promoting an extremist belief system", and all they have to say is that you are using PLANNED OR THREATENED *FORCE* (DOES NOT HAVE TO BE VIOLENCE) --FORCE by exposing CORRUPTION, CRIMINALITY against "THE CIVILIAN POPULATION OF THE UNITED STATES, *****OR ANY SEGMENT THEREOF" READ THE BILL MANY TIMES AND VERY CAREFULLY--YOU ARE THE TERRORIST (WHICH MEANS THEY CAN STRIP YOUR CITIZENSHIP, AND HAVE YOU TORTURED AND EXECUTED).
Senate is back in session NOW, do not hesitate, call, fax, email your Senator ASAP.
Click here for your Senators contact info:
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/ ...
This is truly critical folks. Their 'patriot act' wasn't enough. 'homeland security' wasn't enough. Breaking wiretapping laws, a direct violation of the FISA act, wasn't enough. Directive NSPD 51 signed into law wasn't enough. The 'real ID act' (aka National ID Cards) set to pass in '08 is not enough. USA Constitution all but eviscerated. Our Bill of Rights dismantled. They're destroying our precious freedoms piece by piece. Under the guise of 'protecting America" and "fighting terror". Once these freedoms are gone we will NEVER get them back! Think about it. Now they want to ram this so-called "Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act" down our collective throats as LAW so they can 24/7 365 monitor our Internet use and e-mail exchanges as well as YouTube videos, Blogs, Political websites, Digg activity, and so on for anyone critical of the 9-11 fraud, the North American Union, globalism, One World Government, NWO, and so on. This fascist, draconian bill knows no boundaries. This IS NOT going to be used to "prevent terrorism" "fight terrorists" "keep America safe" & likewise political rhetoric as they'd like us to be tricked into believing. That is a false front LIE. We were already tricked & deceived. into 2 middle east wars on lies, massive deceit. Can we trust anything this administration tells us as Truth? Don't let them get away with destroying more of our rights & freedoms again by passing their S1959 bill. The true intention, the real motivation for this draconian sham of a bill is to use it against United States citizens; against us, political dissent. Isn't it obvious?
They know people are beginning to wake up to the lies, fraud & deceit they've been sold. Criminals of the 9/11 crime feel their secret is being revealed..they are getting more nervous and paranoid..they want to listen to what you are saying and thinking...they are taking every precaution to protect themselves from you.
Meanwhile, USA borders into Canada & Mexico remain unsecured, wide open, unprotected. Saudi Arabia's royal family has freed 1,500 imprisoned Al Qaeda members declaring they had been "reformed."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313063,00.html
Yet the administration wants to pass this S1959 sham. The government is more concerned about spying on it's own taxpaying citizens than doing anything about REAL security & REAL protection in this country. S1959 is a farce.
Please people, get involved with this. All it takes is a simple phone call. 2-3 minutes of your time. Isn't the future of a free, open, uncontrolled Internet worth that?? They want to come after the Internet now. That's what this is about. Only just the beginning. Just let your local Senator know you do not want S1959 to pass, are 100% against it and will not vote for them in the future AT ALL if they support it.
If, as you are told over and over, the terrorists "hate you because they hate your freedom" then why are so-called 'authorities', your government officials & politician rulers who are supposedly 'fighting terror', restricting your freedoms, civil liberties, & rights to privacy more and more with each passing day? Not to mention gradually eviscerating the U.S. Constitution & dismantling Bill of Rights at every turn. Now they want to pass S1959 "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007". Please don't let them get away with it.
Peace, - marm1890, on 11/30/2007, -14/+195Wake up people!!!! We're sliding ever faster.
- Fhwqhgads, on 11/30/2007, -10/+111This needs to be on the front page.
- inactive, on 11/30/2007, -12/+106Another unConstitutional piece of garbage being rammed down the throat of Americans. Calling this a free country is a ***** joke. You're free to do whatever you want as long as the government authorizes it.
- falseleftright, on 11/30/2007, -10/+90No Wonder Rupert Murdoch wants to buy Digg, just think of all the "terrorists" he could snare here (myself included). Now, does anyone still see the farsical war on terror as anything other then a war against the citizens of this once great country?
- iheartcrack, on 11/30/2007, -9/+51I just read the entire thing. And it's not legislation, but rather a bill to set up a commission to study the issue:
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/gpoxmlc110/h1955_rfs.xm ...
Lefties look like idiots when they don't actually read the thing they're crying bloody murder over. - Firehed, on 11/30/2007, -3/+44I know it's a bit early to invoke Godwin's Law... but this is precisely the thinking that put Hitler into power.
- SRSco, on 11/30/2007, -2/+40Since it passed the house 405 to 6?
BTW Kucinich voted No. Ron Paul didn't vote. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h200 ... - phnx0221, on 11/30/2007, -9/+44During the original drafting of House Resolution HR 1955 (now S.1959), Brian Michael Jenkins, Rand Corporation’s "Counterterrorism expert", testified on their findings of trends in Terrorism, during the hearings for the Violent Radicalization Act. I found the PDF of the Rand Coporation's Trends in Terrorism. Most importantly, here is what they have concluded as the most alarming trends in domestic terrorism:
Rand Corporation "Trends in Terrorism"
http://www.rand.org/pubs/monographs/2005/RAND_MG39 ...
On page Summary xv
"In addition to the terrorist threats posed by Al Qaeda and both associated and independent radical jihadists, a growing groundswell of domestically inspired radicalism has emerged that appears to be based on the spreading phenomenon of anti-globalization (AG). The AG movement as had an impact on at least three homegrown entities - all of which have demonstrated, in varying degrees, an explicit penchant for violence and civilian directed action:
Anarchists, who resonate with the claim that international trade and commerce are, in fact, a mask designed to hide and covertly advance US global economic, cultural, and political power.
Far right extremists, who reject the loss of individual identity associated with international movements of people, commodities, and money; who oppose the concentration of power that globalization entails; and who argue that globalization is an American-led conspiracy conducted by and for the benefit of the Jewish capitalists.
Radical environmentalists, who now routinely denigrate corporate power and capitalism (and the unrestrained discretionary spending that they entail) as posing the single greatest threat to the planet and its life.
...notable common thread is an increased risk for the private sector..."
Democracy Now! Did an excellent piece on HR1955/S.1959, interviewing members of Indypendent (magazine) and the Center for Constitutional Rights. This was on Digg not too long ago. You can watch the interview here (digg link): http://digg.com/videos/educational/Homegrown_Terro ... - Cycline3, on 11/30/2007, -6/+33Its stuff like this that actually will bring terrorism here, not prevent it. *sigh*
- GovernmentSp00k, on 11/30/2007, -4/+30Oh brother. Murdoch really wants to buy Digg? We're doomed :o( You know whatever he wants, he gets.
- orangester, on 11/30/2007, -11/+36Um. I just ***** myself in fear.
However I'm willing to die for this one.
Revolution here we come. - Fafnir43, on 11/30/2007, -9/+33Oh for Christ's sake. Yes, the scope is broad. But read the bill at http://thomas.loc.gov/home/gpoxmlc110/h1955_rfs.xm ... . Look at what it is *actually* *doing*. It's setting up a fricking Commission to investigate the /root causes/ of "homegrown terrorism" (as opposed to looking for specific groups a la Committee of Un-American Activities), and throw out some ideas to stop it. That's it. The Commission is not a secret police force. It has no legal authority. It's going to be dissolved in eighteen months after it delivers its report. Saying things like "If it passes, all the information sources you know and trust could be shut down and their authors imprisoned" can only be described as utterly idiotic, and it actively hurts our cause by making us all look like morons.
Don't get me wrong, Bush has, over the years, pretty much eviscerated everything that once made America America, and for that he deserves to be thrown into the deepest, darkest jail cell we can find and then left to rot. But this particular initiative seems to be mostly harmless (hence the bipartisan support). - harrijs, on 11/30/2007, -13/+37I would like to hear the liberal reaction to this. The Senate is made up of:
49 Dem
49 Rep
2 Ind
Where are the democrats that are supposed to be preventing republicans from establishing a police state? - SavageBlackCat, on 11/30/2007, -12/+35And the Democrats do nothing.
- FriskDown, on 11/30/2007, -2/+25I think that we all know why this isn't all over the nightly news.
- Televari, on 11/30/2007, -2/+25Every time I see one of these 'Call to Arms' stories on Digg about American freedoms getting taken away; I have to wonder: how many people commenting actually read the bill?
- phnx0221, on 11/30/2007, -4/+25They are one in the same as the Republicans. People MUST realize this. This goes with very few exceptions. There are some that genuinely have the interests of civil rights and liberties, and respect for the people of this country, and the world, but most of the people sitting in office don't work for anyone aside from those that got them there, kept them there, and are paying for their district projects and business affiliates.
- ACLU, on 11/30/2007, -1/+19ACLU Statement on the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007: http://www.aclu.org/safefree/general/32886prs20071 ...
- Tiphys, on 11/30/2007, -4/+22I have a serious question about this. I'm not arguing anything, I'm genuinely curious.
I read the bill...it looks to me like it's a bill to form a committee to study "homegrown terrorism" and determine where it comes from, how it operates, and ways to stop it. In the definitions section of the bill, it defines the things the committee will be investigating as "violence".
The Bill: (*Emphasis mine*)
‘‘(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION.—The term ‘violent radicalization’ means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based *violence* to advance political, religious, or social change.
‘‘(3) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM.—The term ‘homegrown terrorism’ means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of *force or violence* by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.
‘‘(4) IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE.—The term ‘ideologically based violence’ means the use, planned use, or threatened use of *force or violence* by a group or individual to promote the group or individual’s political, religious, or social beliefs."
So why is it that "all they have to say is that you are using PLANNED OR THREATENED *FORCE* (DOES NOT HAVE TO BE VIOLENCE)"? Is it simply the word "force" included in the text? What definition of force can be used to incriminate nay-sayers and people who speak out?
I'm not arguing the post, I'm curious as to the reasoning. - orangester, on 11/30/2007, -5/+22Yes..Digg me down because I would much rather die than have my Rights, Freedoms, and Free speech taken away.
Because I would rather die free than live a prisoner in this so called country.
If this passes, riots will take place. Guaranteed. - Drahkar, on 11/30/2007, -2/+19Exactly. Don't assume anything. There is enough power hungry and money hungry bastards in DC that this could come to pass if we don't take the steps to make sure it doesn't.
- robberry, on 11/30/2007, -2/+18Depends. Is American Idol on that night?
- falseleftright, on 11/30/2007, -3/+19Well, considering his media holdings throughout the world and his recent blitzkreig of the WSJ, I'd say you are right...sarcasm or not.
- GovernmentSp00k, on 11/30/2007, -5/+21Wow. Well said. 2trkpony thanks for providing this. I like your writeup here better than the original article! I'm going to call my Senator today. I encourage everybody else to do the same. This is truly disgusting. Unbelievable what our good ol' government tries to get away with behind our backs! Why isn't this all over the nightly news??
- h0bart, on 11/30/2007, -8/+24Freedom is Slavery. War is Peace. Ignorance is Strength.
Welcome to the American Empire. - delrin500, on 11/30/2007, -9/+25HR 1955 passed the house something like 400-6. I have already called my Senator. Have U called yours???
- Enjia, on 11/30/2007, -8/+23‘‘(a) IN GENERAL.—In carrying out this subtitle, the Secretary shall ensure that the efforts of the Department to prevent ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism as described in this subtitle do not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, and civil liberties of United States citizens and lawful permanent residents.
nah your just blowing things out of proportion, this is no big deal. - sirloin, on 11/30/2007, -7/+22Civil unrest is the highest in this country since the revolution.
The net is opening our eyes that both parties are two sides of the same coin, they only wear their issues on their sleaves in election years but the rest of the time, is spent rolling in lobby dollars. They know we wont put up with this for much longer. That is why we have bipartisan support for this law. The first duty of anyone in power is to stay in power.
When they are fixing a problem that doesnt exists, better open your eyes.
plus as oil runs low.. and yeah i dont care if it is 10-50 years.. as it runs low, poor people will suffer, even in this country as they are now and when people suffer and see other people not suffering there tendsto be clashes.
time for revolution is now. - Protoss, on 11/30/2007, -1/+16Somehow I doubt a riot will arise if this actually passes...
- falseleftright, on 11/30/2007, -3/+17It's the false left/right paradigm on full display.
- phnx0221, on 11/30/2007, -2/+15We didn't think it had any chance of passing the house either, but as you can see from SRSco's comment, and link, it passed almost unanimously.
- Proletariat, on 11/30/2007, -2/+15Here's Obama's email reply after I emailed him yesterday concerned about this bill:
Dear (My name):
Thank you for contacting me to share your thoughts regarding the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007. I appreciate hearing from you.
As you know, this legislation, as referred to the Senate Committee on Homeland Security, would amend the Homeland Security Act of 2002 to create a national commission to examine and prepare a report on the causes of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States. The legislation would also establish a Center of Excellence to study the roots of violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism and methods that can be used by Federal, State, local, and tribal homeland security officials to mitigate and prevent homegrown terrorism. The American people understand that new threats require flexible responses to keep them safe. They also insist that our responses to threats respect the constitution and do not violate the basic tenets of our democracy. The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act includes provisions prohibiting the Department of Homeland Security's efforts from violating civil rights and civil liberties of U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents.
As you mention, this legislation passed the House on October 23, 2007. I will keep your important comments in mind as I work with my colleagues on the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs. I will work to ensure that this legislation helps to achieve our domestic security objectives while protecting civil liberties and constitutional rights.
Thank you again for contacting me. Please keep in touch.
Sincerely,
Barack Obama
United States Senator
P.S. Our system does not allow direct response to this email. However, if you would like to contact me again, please use the form on the website: http://obama.senate.gov/contact/ - active1x0, on 11/30/2007, -2/+15Actually, a Democrat sponsored this bill, and almost all Democrats voted for it. How this translates to "neocon overlords" is beyond me. Please enlighten us.
- raoulduke87, on 11/30/2007, -4/+17If they take away our right to non-violent protest the only recourse will be violent protest. I'm strangely alright with that.
- phnx0221, on 11/30/2007, -4/+16They are the same as the Republicans. They are both working for the people who are paying for their campaigns and re-elections. They are working for the people who are granting them monetary gifts and special projects for their districts, as well as for their affiliated businesses. This is a status quo that has very few exceptions. There are some exceptions, but they have to work so much harder to get their voices heard, and their bills passed. Think of Kucinich, Dodd, Gravel, and Paul. I'm sure there are more, I am actually trying to think of two more that I recently read about. I can't remember their names at the moment, but I can find them, I'll post them as well.
- andrew1193, on 11/30/2007, -8/+20Those who are reacting hysterically to this look pretty ignorant and stupid to me.
The bill forms a commission and mandates that it issue a report. That is all it does. There are no changes to criminal law. - FredFredrickson, on 11/30/2007, -6/+18Where is the outrage at Republicans for wanting to do so in the first place?
- ncairns, on 11/30/2007, -1/+13Ron Paul failed to vote on the bill, *****.
- cabal911, on 11/30/2007, -1/+13Perhaps you should watch the CSpan video where they show 9/11 Truth movement groups and talk about other "extremists" like animal rights activists, war protesters, etc. You might not say it was "no big deal" then... Also, the ACLU and CCR have been requesting further clarification on the following which they feel is broad enough to be dangerous to all Americans:
(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION- The term `violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill= ... - Talphin, on 11/30/2007, -6/+17What can we do? I see a lot of running around like chickens with their heads cut off, but no ACTION... What can we do?!
- IADTatami, on 11/30/2007, -4/+15Once you are a suspected terrorist, you are no longer a citizen. Therefore, no citizen's rights will ever be violated by this law.
- SRSco, on 11/30/2007, -4/+15Kucinich voted No. Ron Paul didn't vote. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h200 ...
- Monk22, on 11/30/2007, -4/+15i thought paul was the champion of the people, where was he on this one?
- robberry, on 11/30/2007, -1/+12Yes, but things like free speech, warrants, habeus corpus, due process, and protection from cruel and unusual punishment are not considered to be "consistutional rights" by this administration, so that clause is hardly a guarantee that this bill won't be abused if it passes.
- active1x0, on 11/30/2007, -10/+20Actually, this bill does nothing other than initiate a survey on how Homegrown Terrorism (whatever that is) should be combated.
(b) Implementation.—To the extent that methodologies are permissible under the Constitution, the Secretary shall use the results of the survey as an aid in developing, in consultation with the Attorney General, a national policy in the United States on addressing radicalization and homegrown terrorism.
That means this bill has no authority to "ban" the ideologies it defines. It simply...defines them.
Hooray for sensationalism! Buried. - roflcopterdown, on 11/30/2007, -0/+10I've read the bill, and it's still alarming. While the bill itself is simply creating a committee to examine the causes of "homegrown terrorism", it paints a pretty clear picture of where this could lead. It's not a guarantee that the government will strip the first amendment from us, but it's a bigger chance than I'm willing to take.
- CNY4RonPaul, on 11/30/2007, -22/+32Please vote for Ron Paul!
- Talphin, on 11/30/2007, -12/+22There are no problems here. Just shut up and drink your Kool-aid.
- waluum, on 11/30/2007, -5/+14Buy a gun while you still can!
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