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- Insightful, on 12/13/2007, -7/+63I suggest Senator Bond go "swimming" with the Navy SERE team who do classify waterboarding as torture, like most of the world.
Who are these faux manly warriors who are advocating war with Iraq, Iran, Syria, entire Muslim world, North Korea, etc and yet have not seen a day of combat in their lives and hide behind their podium and keyboards?
I understand his son is a Marine and served in Iraq. Would he consider waterboarding to be like swimming? Would he suggest his dad go "swimming"?
Beside the whole illegal, immoral, inhumane, and unAmerican act of torture, I bet I can get Senator Bond to 'confess' that he submits 24 times daily to the pic section for Digg via waterboarding. People who are tortured will tell you anything you want to hear. - uriman, on 12/13/2007, -1/+43See, these politicians are quite sneaky. He doesn't answer the question asked. He used the analogy of different styles of swimming to demonstrate that there are different ways water boarding can be done. He didn't say waterboarding in the way Gwen described is like swimming.
I can do the same thing.
Q. Do you think killing a man is wrong?
A. There are many ways to killing a man. It's like cooking eggs, sunny side up, scrambled, etc. - proseandpromise, on 12/13/2007, -1/+23Waterboarding has to be one of the strangest ethical debates I've heard. None of the arguments for waterboarding work with anything else. You'll never hear someone say, "Sure, robbing a bank is illegal, but it works..." It is immoral. It is illegal.
It is impossible to simultaneously "defend" America and betray America's values, laws, and international treaties. - yomamaisfat, on 12/13/2007, -0/+17There are different ways you can get kicked in the nuts, but the bottom line is you are receiving a kick to the nuts.
- minitrollster, on 12/13/2007, -1/+16Yeah. And cuting off your penis is like making love.
- Paroparo, on 12/13/2007, -1/+14The term for waterboarding in a lot of European languages is literally "water torture". You'll have to forgive us for not taking this debate entirely seriously.
- Napoleone, on 12/13/2007, -8/+19Senator Kit Bond: All-American Nazi
It's time we start physically challenging these neo-cons on the streets. See what they're really made of. - logicalnoise, on 12/13/2007, -2/+10apparently the Senator swims like horse because drowning aint swimming.
- hipnerd, on 12/13/2007, -0/+8Yes. Let's ask Senator McCain what he thinks of waterboarding and torture in general. I think his answer will surprise you.
- Toshibi, on 12/13/2007, -0/+7Kit Bond: Do you expect me to talk?
Goldfinger: No Mr. Bond, I expect you to....swim. - Mikesendker, on 12/13/2007, -3/+10Dude, this is such *****. ThinkProgress is using the exact techniques that the neocons slam liberals for using and we think they use. They are fully taking the guy out of context. He didn't mean waterboarding was like swimming, he meant there are different ways to waterboard that can yield very different results, just like there are different ways to swim which can yield very different results. The guy didn't say a thing about whether he thought it was torture in the clip TP included so we don't know if he even does think its torture. And not all republicans chock it up to nothing, even John McCain is a big voice against waterboarding.
- doctorfungi, on 12/13/2007, -3/+10I don't think he meant it felt like swimming, or that the experience was similar to swimming. I think he was using "swimming" as an analogy to say that there are several different ways to do it.
- Morky, on 12/13/2007, -0/+6And having your fingernails pulled out with pliers is a lot like a manicure. "Honey, your cuticles are a mess. Lets try the ban saw."
- mrfreeziexp, on 12/13/2007, -2/+8Ha ha, this is so ridiculous. Waterboarding, so much fun water parks are considering adding it to their parks!
- LaughingMan11, on 12/13/2007, -0/+5Exactly. What pisses me off about his answer is that he tries to imply that there exists some set of differences in the method of waterboarding that makes it "moral" and not torture.
- noseeme, on 12/13/2007, -0/+5Waterboarding refreshing and delightful romp!
- Deltablade, on 12/13/2007, -1/+5Regardless of the fact that he made a really insensitive analogy (intended or not), his comment was taken out of context.
- bowens44, on 12/13/2007, -0/+4There is no way that anything that comes from a member of its administration or any of it's appointees can be taken at face value. If they have said we don't water board anymore, we can assume that there is at least 50% chance that it's a lie.
- elangley, on 12/13/2007, -3/+7He isn't saying it's like swimming at all...this is poorly posted, it says that it's like swimming in that there are different ways of doing it. I'm ridiculously liberal and thinking waterboarding is torture, but we don't have to just on this guy because he isn't or doesn't
- Zippo, on 12/13/2007, -0/+4I'd love to have all these complete morons waterboarded. Then we'll see what they think of it.
- inactive, on 12/13/2007, -0/+4He was not saying waterboarding is LIKE swimming - he was using swim strokes as an anology for differant WAYS of doing waterboarding. In DIGG LANGUAGE: "hey bro - there are differan ways of doing waterboarding - some are wore painful than udders - jus like der are differan ways of swimmin - you know wha am SAYIN?"
- bowens44, on 12/13/2007, -1/+5people who are not outraged by this need to grow up and walk a few steps in the real world. There are very issues more important then the honor and integrity of our nation. If you aren't angry about this, you either don't understand the situation or you are morally and ethically bankrupt.
- LaughingMan11, on 12/13/2007, -0/+4Yes, I understand what he is saying that there is more than one way to do it, but that still doesn't make his point not *****.
He, and idiots like Guiliani keep saying that there's "different ways of doing it" trying to imply that there exists a "moral" way of doing it, depending on who's administering it.
Then he has the gall to follow it up by saying that our trainees in the military are put through a similar thing... nevermind that there is a world of difference in a situation where you are a willing individual training and being put through a test that you can choose to pass on versus being dominated by someone else using this method. - awesomeface, on 12/13/2007, -1/+4He didn't say that waterboarding is like swimming. He said that there are different types of waterboarding, just like there are different types of swimming (which is why he mentions backstroke, freestyle etc).
Buried for you guys putting up bad arguments.
(BTW, what you probably want to complain about is how he said that waterboarding WASN'T being used, when we all know it is. You know...that lying thing...it's bad). - Highstand, on 12/13/2007, -0/+3Why are we even having this discussion? It is completely ridiculous. Have things gone that insane when the headlines focus on whether a certain technique is torture or not? I miss the 90's.
- toddcat, on 12/13/2007, -3/+6Congrats Missourians! You have a douchebag Sen. That said, our senior Senator in California apparently doesn't think a failure to identify waterboarding as torture is a reason to fail to confirm the AG.
- doctorfungi, on 12/13/2007, -1/+4I agree, but we can at least understand the exact message he is giving before we criticize him... instead of arguing against a point he wasn't even making.
- charlietuna, on 12/13/2007, -0/+3Watch out! I believe "faux" is a french word.
- Bmarofsky, on 12/13/2007, -4/+7buried as inaccurate- He aid there are different ways to waterboard just like there are different ways to swim. He did not say that waterboarding is like swimming. Serenity now....
- bowens44, on 12/13/2007, -3/+6a piss poor analogy. torture is torture.
- colorme, on 12/13/2007, -0/+3Oh, Kit. Such a kidder.
I love my state. : - sodoh, on 12/13/2007, -1/+4The problem isn't if that if Waterboarding is torture or not. It is that Americans actually have to debate it!
I know I will get a Godwin moaner, but go read up on pre-WW2. Everything happened in small steps until finally everyone asked "How did we come to this?". The same is happening in the USA, you still have time to change it. - nitsnipe, on 12/13/2007, -2/+5More like trying to swim when you don't know how.
- yankeeman515, on 12/13/2007, -0/+3can i see what else he said obviously the video omitted further conversation
- inactive, on 12/13/2007, -0/+3If waterboarding is such a ***** walk in the park, why do they use it on people to get information? If it wasn't torture, it wouldn't work as a heavy interrogation technique, would it? People who try this line are either ***** dumb as ***** or think everyone else is.
- Chazx, on 12/13/2007, -0/+3This man is correct. Digg is full of biased *****.
- snatchmstr, on 12/13/2007, -0/+2I love waterboarding! I can't wait for winter to pass.
- hermes369, on 12/13/2007, -1/+3Maybe there's a moral way to do it if you are a member of the, wait for it,
Spanish Inquisition!
Nobody expected that. - Mworthin, on 12/13/2007, -1/+3How utterly ridiculous can these guys get? Apparently Bond should abstain form the hallucinogens he has been ingesting. He was actually elected?
Not surprising as Bush was not once, but twice! Incredible! - cfuse, on 12/13/2007, -0/+2Waterboarding is to swimming what being doused in petrol and set alight is to sun tanning.
What's the point in the right to bear arms if you are willing to give away your nation to these vermin so easily. Why haven't you Americans lynched these lying ***** yet? - awesomeface, on 12/13/2007, -0/+2Yes, he should've a different analogy. Because he didn't, we have people thinking he said waterboarding is like going out for a morning swim.
- Grumps, on 12/13/2007, -0/+2I bet Sen Kit Bond is a swimming coach!
- inactive, on 12/13/2007, -0/+2They won't.
- inactive, on 12/13/2007, -1/+3ah yes the classic Missouri back stroke explanation .............Senator Bond you sir are a MORON !!
- an0nymous, on 12/13/2007, -0/+2It was clearly an attempt to trivialize the seriousness of waterboarding.
(Which is ***** btw. Waterboarding is drowning someone until they say what you want. Tell me that's not torture).
"Is it appropriate to use tazers on the incapacitated?"
"Well, it's like tickling, there are many ways to do it. You can tickle the back of the knee, or the neck, or the underarm area" - richlizard24, on 12/13/2007, -0/+2I do not like how the description under the video says that it is Conservatives trying to dismiss the seriousness of waterboarding. We all know that it is Bush and his neo-conservative buddies. I consider myself a Conservative and I believe that waterboarding is torture. It pisses me off that one man has destroyed the image of Conservatism all because he is a giant douche bag.
- WilliamDavis, on 12/13/2007, -0/+2Yeah, because if you send a terrorist swimming, they suddenly start divulging their innermost secrets. This was first discovered at gitmo in 2005, when suspect Akmed Abdullah fell down in the bathtub.
- Dalrek, on 12/13/2007, -2/+4"Do you think waterboarding, as I have described it, constitutes torture?" "There are different ways of doing it. It's like swimming, freestyle, backstroke." But really, different results? Like what? You do it one way, it's torture, but if you do it this other way, you'll be drinking coffee with the guy and discussing Mozart at the local Starbucks? If it's done a "different way," it's no longer waterboarding. If you watch the whole clip, she describes the torture method and then asks if it's torture. He's either downplaying it or he's dancing around the question. Both of which are bad in my book, and both lead me to believe he thinks a certain way on the subject.
- niczar, on 12/13/2007, -0/+1You've got a major point here! And indeed, there are many ways to waterboard, just like there are many ways to mutilate one's genitals. For example, kicking someone in the nuts is not as bad as piercing them with needles. Therefore, it follows that ... errr ...
Nah, sorry, I can't do it. Just put those bastards in jail already. - sam98597, on 12/13/2007, -0/+1Anyone up for some water polo?
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