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- bigspooon, on 07/03/2008, -2/+70I'm all for anything that will put honesty and integrity back into the presses
- Thrilltone, on 07/03/2008, -2/+39The Internet is our only chance to hear the truth,
since the Media are no more than shills and stooges. - orientis, on 07/04/2008, -1/+32I think this guy is a modern-day Robin Hood. Stealing information from the privileged and spreading it to the masses.
"Imagine a world where companies and government must keep the public, or their employees, or both, happy with their plans and behavior," Assange says. "That is the world we are striving to create."
***** yes. - aaaleman, on 07/03/2008, -5/+20WikiLeaks: Best idea on the Internet
(After cracked.com, of course) - tatis44, on 07/03/2008, -3/+16freedom of information.
freedom of the Internet.
No government shall control what we see or hear.
http://www.dailyradical.org
http://www.binaryfreedom.info - Chainheart, on 07/04/2008, -0/+12No, after wikipedia
- Ricky81682, on 07/03/2008, -2/+14The last page is really interesting. The information itself is usually too detailed or convoluted for the average person to understand, but the site is amazing for others to read and analyze.
As they said, it's the cover-up that gets you. - Ricky81682, on 07/03/2008, -2/+12It doesn't really put honesty and integrity back but forces the press to really as the check on secrecy, the way it is supposed to be.
I can't wait until we find a leak about a cover-up among the mainstream press. I wonder how the press will analyze itself? - Axeman20, on 07/04/2008, -0/+8If it forces governments and companies to stop and pause if what they're doing is in the best interest of their citizens and employees, then he has my full support.
Allow me to pause and say ***** YEAH!
With that aside we can only hope that whoever runs it is not some 'secret world organisation' for controversy's sake. - InetRoadkill, on 07/04/2008, -1/+8Wikileaks won't save journalism. It will take the place of journalism. Let's face it. Today's journalism fails miserably as the people's watchdog. Unless the news involves some tabloid-worthy scandal, it doesn't get covered.
- orientis, on 07/04/2008, -1/+8Dude I have a problem with the Zionist lobby too, but there's a time and a place, you know? Maybe this comment would have been better if it were relevant to the story and not just a chance for you to parade your agenda.
- inactive, on 07/03/2008, -0/+6There have been SO MANY instances of that already.
Judith Miller, anyone?
The press ignores it. - jmkiii, on 07/04/2008, -1/+7As the fourth branch of the government, it needs to be subject to some form of check/balance.
- Hangly, on 07/04/2008, -0/+6I'd prefer no bias, myself. Except for maybe a factual bias.
- inactive, on 07/04/2008, -1/+6This guy will eventually publish something that someone like Mugabe or the Russian Mob doesn't like and he will get a too-late lesson in discretion.
- PhilLesh69, on 07/04/2008, -1/+5This isn't meant to be a check or balance on the media, which by the way is called "the fourth estate," not the fourth branch.
Read the article. This is a check against government secrecy and unaccountability. - ricker2005, on 07/04/2008, -1/+5For all of the good this site is doing for journalism, the guy does come off as more than a bit narrow-minded. The world isn't black and white (at least not outside Digg) but this guy acts like everything should be published just because it can be. There's room for judgement calls and stuff like publishing a person's SSN is pretty damn stupid.
- evilgourmet, on 07/04/2008, -0/+3"fourth branch of government..."
Ouch, the truth hurts. - orientis, on 07/04/2008, -0/+3The Internet is comprised of various forms of Media. I would suggest that is the closest you'll ever get to truth from an external system.
- PhilLesh69, on 07/04/2008, -2/+5Actually, if there are inherent vulnerabilities of US weapons systems, as in flaws, and the pentagon knows about them but is protecting a contractor by keeping them secret, and soldiers die because of that, then I think it is about time someone brings those flaws to light, before a soldier is killed because of a flaw in the weapon system he is using.
It was leaks that prevented the M2 Bradley Fighting Vehicle from going into production before they worked out the problems with vulnerable armor. I'm sure that saved many lives. - twiztidsinz, on 07/04/2008, -1/+4Robin Hood 2.0?
- inactive, on 07/04/2008, -0/+3An authentically open society or culture only works if all are committed to consistent honesty and mutual respect. I would like nothing less than such a culture, however, it is only a minority in human cultures who are committed in such ways.
They are called "secrets" only because some have something to hide and reason to hide it. As long as there is reason to fear one another and shame for our own behaviors, an open society is a mere dream.
Still, any steps toward such a culture are welcome in my book. Bad behavior ought to always be exposed - no matter the perpetrator. - PhilLesh69, on 07/04/2008, -1/+4In all fairness, his comment was relevant to the story. He is predicting that this site will eventually be coopted by the very people it is trying to bring into the sunlight.
- inactive, on 07/04/2008, -0/+3Your government branches are part of the problem, they're seldom checking or balancing so much anymore.
I don't know about "government" but this a branch that will check. Balance will be up to the rest of the system/people. - PhilLesh69, on 07/04/2008, -1/+4Unless he's still using MS-DOS. Maybe the best computer he could afford was an 80286 or 386 based desktop.
- MrRobotoSki, on 07/04/2008, -0/+3Now this is freedom of speech!
- philodygmn, on 07/04/2008, -0/+2The problem with reporter subscriptions is articles that come out just before Wikileaks publishes something will be shown as possible subscribers, eventually negating the anonymity to pursue the stories in the first place, not to mention the lag time this introduces to stories' publication. Timely news is responsible for a huge amount of impact, and a subscription idea ruins that by putting the site under financial onus to subscribing journalists' indefinite review period so as not to ruin their scoops. If Wikileaks opened a pledge drive, I doubt they'd make too little to cover their costs and then some! Capitulating the basis of the site for lack of informed interested reviewers is a mistake! Altering the bright line between information and its availability is a BAD MOVE!
- Hangly, on 07/04/2008, -0/+2If they manage to not turn into a tabloid like thesmokinggun did, I bet they can.
- toastgodsupreme, on 07/04/2008, -1/+3Looks like Wikileaks wants to change directions and become a pay service for their information.
Bah, fail. That destroys the concept which makes it so valuable and intriguing to people. Why would I post a classified document to a site that's going to sell it to some reporter for profit when I can do that myself? - PhilLesh69, on 07/05/2008, -0/+2Wow, that is just a red herring.
Wikileaks isn't about exposing normal citizens to government powers that wish to exterminate them. WIkileaks is about exposing government corruption and violations of laws and constitutional restrictions.
For your argument to be valid, about your jewish grandparents, it would have to be discussing a government website that was going to expose ordinary citizens "secrets".
We aren't talking about that at all.
In fact, wikileaks would probably expose any efforts to expose everyday citizen's religious affiliation, so people would be aware of the dangers that implies.
Plus, cracking enigma would probably not be something to leak. That would be a valid and legitimate activity of our government.
You do know what the whole concept of leaking government information is actually about, don't you? I know Fox News will say it is about exposing every secret and every activity, but the real purpose of leaking information is to expose CORRUPT or ILLEGAL activity. Honestly, if you can't figure that out, you are dense and misinformed. If you really think there are government employees just waiting to destroy America by exposing valid secrets and legitimately private information, you need to go buy a roll of tin foil and fashion yourself a hat. People that leak information about illegal activities do so with a very heavy heart, but they realize that they have to expose corruption or illegal activities for the good of the nation. - PhilLesh69, on 07/04/2008, -0/+2This doesn't have to do with putting integrity and honesty back into the press, or act as a form of check or balance on the press.
It serves to act as a check on government secrecy. Read the article. - FLarsen, on 07/04/2008, -1/+3Well, one who talks about knowing enough about MS-DOS should know the difference between it and the (32bit/64bit) windows command prompt. They're not the same.
- BlacklabelSAR, on 07/04/2008, -0/+2As more people become computer literate, they start to realize that we have been born into the matrix. Uncensored information is the red pill.
- FLarsen, on 07/04/2008, -1/+3Of course, that is a possibility. But he is presenting it in a way that makes MS-DOS seem like the only option, which it is not, and neither is it the most practical.
Also, he is not talking about himself, but "you". - explnx, on 04/27/2009, -0/+2This thing is 100% pure check.
- Sil369, on 07/04/2008, -0/+2"If it forces governments and companies to stop and pause blah blah" ... nah, they just stop, pause to try and save their own asses.
- BlacklabelSAR, on 07/04/2008, -0/+2No more than I would agree with posting your social security number, and I get your point.
I was referring to the propaganda when the victors write the history.
i.e. "Lincoln freed the slaves" instead of "Lincoln was against states' rights"
"Or America saved the world in WW2" without mentioning that the U.S. put Japanese Americans in concentration camps.
see also "Refer Madness" and the lost white house e-mails.
Who is to stop a cover up when the criminal gets to claim that any information regarding the crime in "sensitive" and must be secret "for National Security". - inactive, on 07/05/2008, -0/+1Years ago a communications professor of mine said something in a lecture that stuck with me. He said that "Classified" doesn't usually mean "Secret." What it usually means is that the average person doesn't know about it, but could probably find out some details if they wanted to dig. He continued that lecture by saying that they don't execute spies based on how much damage they did to the country. You don't get a reprieve for only divulging things the enemy already knew. They execute spies to send a message to anyone else who's thinking about divulging Classified information. It doesn't matter how much damage these dweebs did. The important thing is that the United States makes an example of them. Hopefully President McCain will have them tracked down, captured and tortured for a few years in one of our off-shore detention centers. Then they can tell their story on CNN and hopefully the brutality of their punishment will serve as a warning. The example needs to be made. Majestatis crimes illud est quod adversus populum Romanum vel adversus securitatem ejus committitur.
- PhilLesh69, on 07/05/2008, -0/+1Yes, and you can just type "tracert www.whatever.com" in a windows command prompt, or "traceroute www.whatever.com" in any other command line to get a report back of every hop between your client and whatever other host or client.
However, if the domain name has been removed from the name resolultion servers, it will not trace any route whatsoever.
Once you cannot resolve a name to an IP address, it doesn't matter what you type.
The best you can do is whois to hopefully find the registrar's records for that domain name, and then maybe query their name servers to find the IP address. But if it was removed from the primary registrar, you are not going to be able to find an IP address by using the host name. - inactive, on 07/04/2008, -1/+2Stop smoking so much cheeba and you'll be able to follow along. The IMDb link was to explain to you what the Kelsey Grammar reference was about. The article that you didn't read that this Digg comments page is supposed to be referencing is where you'll find the info on the weapons system information that was leaked. Light up another one. Your father must be really proud.
- ouzome, on 07/05/2008, -0/+1Phil - you went on one too many tours.
- Caffeinate, on 07/08/2008, -0/+1I don't care why they stop, they just need to stop screwing over the public, lying and they need to follow the same laws that most of us have to follow. The only reason they need to save their own asses is because much of our government and large corporations have been running amok for the last 7 years and it is time to put a stop to it.
- Caffeinate, on 07/08/2008, -0/+1He knows, it just sounds good to call it liberal because if they criticize someone in government he can cry about hippie liberals are. As long as they support rich white neocon males, and bash everyone else, then they are just telling the truth.
I'll get you a tissue, ouzome, so you can wipe off those hot tears and go screw somebody over just because you are oppressed by the liberal reality. - inactive, on 07/04/2008, -0/+1Really?
So you agree with Scooter Libby for exposing Valerie Plame, the former CIA spy? - Caffeinate, on 07/08/2008, -0/+1You can use linux, OS/2 and any flavor of MacOS to also obtain that information - DNS query over port 53 FTW.
- dkapuchino, on 07/04/2008, -0/+1http://www.tracert.com/resolver.html
Enjoy. - dkapuchino, on 07/04/2008, -1/+2No, after 2 girls 1 cup.
- BlacklabelSAR, on 07/04/2008, -0/+1The Medis *is supposed to be* THE check and balance. Especially since the checks and balances in government have been destroyed.
- BlacklabelSAR, on 07/04/2008, -0/+1And then someone will fill his shoes.
- poiuytrewq44, on 07/04/2008, -0/+1So I had a freudian slip. Sue me.
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