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- MarkCiccone, on 10/12/2007, -34/+131Bush warrants the criticism, Bill O'Reilly is a propagandist.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -28/+120sonofdy:
>Wow, that almost makes him as bad as the average liberal talking about bush!!!
Republican mantra #6: if you can't counter a statistic, make one up.
mrfoos:
>BTW: What was his most used derogatory name? Liberal.
If his arguments are so strong, why does he feel the need to ad hom people with insulting, generalizing labels? - DiggsOnlyNeoCon, on 10/12/2007, -6/+96Not all conservatives like O'Reilly. Just want to throw that out there...
- flernk, on 10/12/2007, -15/+92"an assload of crazed, whacked out, brainwashed, mouth foaming neolibs"
It's called ad hominem and it's a clear sign that your argument (like O'Reilly's) is weak. - swrostmore, on 10/12/2007, -9/+61Try telling O'Reilly his show is an opinion show and not a news show. He'd call you a liberal sodomite and cut your mic.
- JCSaint, on 10/12/2007, -21/+72I'm proud to be a liberal. I'm tired of conservatives trying to make it into some kind of dirty word. What the hell ever happened to enlightened political discourse in the country?
- SpaceMonkeyZero, on 10/12/2007, -11/+62@mrfoos: neo-liberals aren't what you think they are. Neo-Liberals are very pro-business, and fiscally conservative.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Liberal - JCSaint, on 10/12/2007, -6/+48DiggsOnlyNeoCon,
I know they're not. I don't have a problem with Tucker Carlson or Joe Scarborough even though I don't agree with their views because they're civil for the most part. I can't stand the conservative's current crop of media standard bearers (Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity, Coulter). I'm friendly with a few Republicans and we can joke and make fun of each other (and ourselves) and have intelligent debates but it just seems that's impossible nowadays in Washington.
I once had the opportunity to sit in on a lecture with two former Governors of NJ: Tom Kean and Brendan Byrne. Republican and Democrat. Good friends. They talked about how in the '70s and '80s, legislators in Trenton could argue till they were red in the face the legislature but they would then go grab a beer with each other or invite each other to barbecues. You can't do that now. Everyone feels there's so much at stake and each side as grown to hate the other.
It's extremely frustrating and what I want, as corny as this sounds, is a "uniter." Not necessarily someone who both sides will agree with but someone who can once again elevate the level of discourse in this country so we can civil discussions about issues that are of immense importance. I'm afraid we're never going to find someone like that. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+33Space:
>Also they're considering "left leaning" as derogatory? "Illegal Alien" as derogatory? "Terrorists" as derogatory?
No, they're considering these in context as positive or negative. They could be derogatory if the entire sentence that preceeded them is, or they could be complimentary given the context. What it comes down to is this:
The seven propaganda devices include:
* Name calling -- giving something a bad label to make the audience reject it without examining the evidence;
* Glittering generalities -- the oppositie of name calling;
* Card stacking -- the selective use of facts and half-truths;
* Bandwagon -- appeals to the desire, common to most of us, to follow the crowd;
* Plain folks -- an attempt to convince an audience that they, and their ideas, are "of the people";
* Transfer -- carries over the authority, sanction and prestige of something we respect or dispute to something the speaker would want us to accept; and
* Testimonials -- involving a respected (or disrespected) person endorsing or rejecting an idea or person. - Justinsb, on 10/12/2007, -4/+23Interesting - here, in Canada the name "Bill O'Reilly" has in and of itself become a derogatory term - When someone compares you to Bill O'Reilly they are saying you talk alot but think very little and know even less
- catalysis, on 10/12/2007, -12/+31In all fairness, I don't see why they only singled out a conservative commentator for this study. I listen to Al Franken and I'm sure he would be pretty close in derogatory names per second.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19analyze:
The average Digg user is an immature punk who uses the anonymity of the internet to act like a badass. Bill O'Reilly, on the other hand, is the host of the most popular prime-time show on the most popular NEWS network.
Your comparison sucks. O'Reilly actually deserves to be called out on his ***** tactics. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19adjustafresh:
>So the word "liberal" is an insulting label? I thought that it was an accurate way to categorize someone's political stance.
It can be, depending on how it's used. The study took into account the context of the name calling.
* Name calling -- giving something a bad label to make the audience reject it without examining the evidence; - Hacbarton, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13It's possible to be confrontational and in-your-face without being rude or vulgar (read: Olbermann). The reason people are attacking Bill O'Reilly isn't his vulgarity: it's his ignorance. Read:
"You want to have two guys making out in front of your 4-year-old? It's
OK with them. A guy smoking a joint, blowing the smoke into your little
kid's face? OK with them. And I'm not exaggerating here. This is
exactly what the secular movement stands for." Bill O'Reilly (12 September 2003)
Check out his Wikiquote and compare it to Don Imus', then tell me which one should've been fired. - Myko, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13adjustafresh:
No, not every time one uses the word 'liberal' are you being insulting, but the context the word is used can be.
I can say: I tend to have liberal philosophies.
and I can also say: What are those crazy liberals up to now?
Guess which one they added to their derogatory name counter. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15Bill O'Reilly is nothing more than a schoolyard bully. His black and white perspective on the world pushes out thoughtful discourse on any subject, and is why most of the debates on his show must rise to a yelling match. Because no one can make a point without him feeling the need to prove them wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U682v_YpENs - DTJunkie07, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Thats impossible and you know it! Liar!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Did they study Michael Savage? I'd like to see how he fared
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Top Ten Derogatory Terms Used by O'reilly:
10. Secular
9. Progressive
8. Terrorist
7. Anarchist
6. Left-Leaning
5. Liberal
4. Socialist
3. Communist
2. Aethist
1. Democrat - Loonacy, on 10/12/2007, -10/+20"Not all conservatives like O'Reilly. Just want to throw that out there..."
Yeah, most conservatives don't approve of him. That's why he's so popular. Err... wait a minute... - dshPls, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Because Liberals do it DOESN'T make it right.
Also, if anyone has heard of Lyn Samuel's(liberal) or Mark Levine(conservative) these two are the absolute worst, they can't finish a sentence without an insult. How they're still on the radio is amazing to me, I've listened to about 20 minutes of each, and that's all I could stand. - adjustafresh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Myko -
If I say to you, Myko - you are a liberal. Is that an insult? The most amazing thing that the Republican PR wing has done is that they have made the term liberal derogatory.
This feels very subjective for a scientific study... - iceperson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10"If I say to you, Myko - you are a liberal. Is that an insult? The most amazing thing that the Republican PR wing has done is that they have made the term liberal derogatory."
Yeah, neocon doesn't have any of the added stigma... - captaincoconut, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Personally, I find Bill O'Reilly to be an intelligent man and right on the mark most of the time. That being said, you should take my opinion with a grain of salt because I consider myself to be rather stupid and uninformed.
- hipnerd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"Liberal" isn't an insult, and either is "Jew." Both can be used as perfectly legitimate, accurate descriptors. But when Bill O'Reilly calls you a liberal, it's a lot like Mel Gibson calling you a Jew: it isn't meant as a compliment.
- Pfhreak, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11"So the word 'liberal' is an insulting label?"
It is the way O'Reilly uses it. He sort of spits it out. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10ruz:
>He still kicks ass in the ratings though. Suck on that libs.
The seven propaganda devices include:
* Name calling -- giving something a bad label to make the audience reject it without examining the evidence;
* Bandwagon -- appeals to the desire, common to most of us, to follow the crowd;
You have bandwagon, then name calling in order. - mythandros, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@mrfoos2
Stop trying to make fetch happen. It's so not happening. - bigcanoe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Amazing how people gush over free speech, then fret when it is used by someone else.
It's only free speech when you agree with it, if not, well fire or threaten whoever said it.
After all, you disagree with it. - adjustafresh, on 10/12/2007, -14/+20@bigdavediode
">BTW: What was his most used derogatory name? Liberal.
If his arguments are so strong, why does he feel the need to ad hom people with insulting, generalizing labels?"
So the word "liberal" is an insulting label? I thought that it was an accurate way to categorize someone's political stance. - flave, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6He was comparing propagandists, not insinuating that O'Reilly supports facism. The fear-mongering techniques used in propaganda are similar regardless of the message.
- mythandros, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@kobewan0824
I can see that a Republican brain doesn't help much when using apostrophes, capitalizing, or spelling "you" and "your". - CBTF, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Wow. Every conservative I see posting here never actually points out what they actually believe in. They just make some comment about how quick the liberals are to jump on Bush and proceed to say something like "libtards".
It's really damn irritating. - Hacbarton, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5The reason O'Reilly scares me is simply that he is on a news channel. Doing this validates him, and any shred of credibility a propagandist like O'Reilly has should be torn away. Remember the main character in the Vonnegut novel "Mother Night"? O'Reilly could do himself some good by reading that book.
"We are who we pretend to be, so we must be careful about who we pretend to be."-Vonnegut - thcobbs, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Such WITTY insults....
I wonder how you keep the comedian job offers at bay. - thcobbs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Will be?
- iceperson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"Yeah, most conservatives don't approve of him. That's why he's so popular. Err... wait a minute..."
The few times I've tuned into him it was mostly liberals calling in. - xkrwlng, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5i listen to Bill O'RLY on the radio sometimes in the car
he spends the whole time talking about how all "liberals" (or conservatives who disagree with him) "HATE" america.
I would say that he does this every 7 seconds or so, so that sounds about right. - twinklyJesus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Kind of ironic you get that type of comment regarding an article about a commentator accused of name-calling.
- flippinjeremy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4*sigh*
- mumbler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@kobewan
You bristle at the thought of having your tax dollars paying for others' health care. But how do you feel about having your tax dollars go to companies who have no-bid contracts to "rebuild" countries we destroyed in the first place? Did I forget to mention that those same companies have little or no oversight? - mythandros, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@kobewan
OH NOES! Kobewan has invoked the "I know you are but what am I" defense. What ever shall we do? - flippinjeremy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5O'Reilly is a COMMENTATOR, not a NEWS REPORTER. He gets paid to speak what's on his mind, not to report news in a "fair and balanced" way.
- dftpnkezln, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Know what else has great ratings? American Idol. Doesn't mean the people on it aren't dumbasses.
- HighPriest15, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Don't get me wrong, I don't like Bill by any means, but isn't the point of an editorial to complain?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7space:
>those inflicted with BDS do on a daily basis.
Name calling. Buh bye. - swrostmore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Marketing basics? Are you familiar with the term "lowest common denominator?"
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5georges:
>A new study on DIGG finds that Liberal Facsists
The seven propaganda devices include:
* Name calling -- giving something a bad label to make the audience reject it without examining the evidence; - ImTheManWhoRU, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6There should be another study, to see how many times every second he cuts people off.
- origclubsoda, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4*****: derogatory names are subjective. I've heard songs that say "*****, *****, *****, *****, " all through the the song - hundreds in less than 3 minutes. Nobody ifs firing that guy.
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