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- greenback1, on 10/10/2007, -2/+41Karl Rove and Scooter Libby have given misleading testimonies (perjury) in a trial investigating the outing of Valerie Wilson, an undercover US Intelligence Officer working at Brewster Jennings, the undercover group in charge of tracking Nuclear Weapons and Materials and involved first hand in exposing the bogus Yellow Cake Uranium in Niger and the forged documents which the Bush Administrations’ lies were based on which led us to invading Iraq, which has resulted in 3500+ dead US Soldiers and counting and 35,000 maimed and wounded US Soldiers in a war with countless innocent women and children being tortured - raped – murdered, all instigated by a criminal Presidency. What the f*ck is happening to our beloved USA?
Let's keep our eye on the ball here folks. Karl Rove, Scooter Libby and the Administration are serious criminals who have put our National Security at risk. - Comus, on 10/10/2007, -3/+22The thing that bothers me the most about these guys is their unflagging self-righteousness and composure. It makes me think that they actually believe they have been in the right 100% of the time, that they are the "good" guys, no contest. My skin crawls when I listen to Karl Rove dodge questions like this and then give a sly smirk at the end of the interview as if he were getting away with something. I guess modesty is simply not one of their virtues.
- sodoh, on 10/10/2007, -3/+19Wow that is some revisionist history you have going there.
A reporter outed Plame from an email from Rove which said "Wilsons wife is a CIA operative" (sic). Roves only claim is that he never named her directly, but unless Wilson is a mormon or a muslim it is pretty easy to guess who his wife is.
Outing a CIA operative is an act of treason in the USA. Not to mention that the CIA have claimed that at least one operative has died because of this leak.
Didn't put anyone in US in any danger? How dare you. Tell that to dead and wounded US soldiers. - kooft, on 10/10/2007, -2/+12@szurls: You forgot to mention the bit about how Joseph Wilson exposed the Yellow Cake Scandal, which was the crux of the Bush Administrations fear mongering campaign. I mean, you can't have evidence in the form of a mushroom cloud without yellow cake right? And who wants to invade a defenseless nation that poses no threat? The Bush Administration was infuriated by being made to look incompetent, by Wilson, and Valerie Plame's was subsequently outed. You're probably right though, these events aren't even remotely related...
- kooft, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10It's ironic. When there's a civil lawsuit at risk, Rove is very tight-lipped but when it's a national security matter, he doesn't mind gabbing to reporters.
- Gaki, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7No kidding about revisionist history. His trip was REQUESTED, and not by Plame, in order to help verify the truth of the yellowcake allegations. She suggested her husband as the person to go based on his previous and voluminous experience in dealing with African nations. He gave the CIA his report, which said that the main document involved was a clumsy forgery, and then watched the same broadcast we all did (the state of the union) where Bush specifically mentioned a nuclear tie to an African nation. He was so mad that his report was ultimately ignored, seemingly on purpose, that he went to the Post to point out the major discrepancy. Voila - his wife is outed within a month. This was no accident, not by a long shot.
- Waiting2awake, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8And America collectively........
doesn't care, and dies a bit more inside. - krnldmp, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7I don't want to hear from or about Karl Rove again until he's under oath or on his way to prison.
- EmperorCheese, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5It's not a contest you ass. Besides, how long does it usually take for a scandal to come to head? The Watergate scandal began in 1969, but it wasn't until 1974 that Nixon resigned, and that was with Republicans in congress that weren't a bunch of do nothing sycophantic yes men/women.
- CongoJoe, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Rove, Libby and Armitage ALL leaked Plame's status to reporters. Look at a timeline before you go calling people idiots. They all discussed her BEFORE Novak's column was published.
Secondly, the CIA has come officially and said she was, in fact, covert before Novak's column was published. - Gaki, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5For what? Being RIGHT about that yellowcake and the associated documents?
- Acewrap, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7I won't dig you down for being smarter than me, because you are not. I'm digging you down for the use of false republican talking points.
- kooft, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5LR85's comment is exactly what's wrong with partisan politics. It's all some sort of game for these guys but the fact is US troops are dying because of these partisan squabbles, US citizens are, or will be, suffering because of these partisan squabbles. Thumbing your nose at the opposing party saying "Hah, we got away with another one" is one of the most un-American activities you can be engaged in.
- Demq, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6talking about abusing power..
- Rodman930, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4You say true. And we all say, thankee-sai.
- don1one, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4The CIA says she was undercover. Matt Cooper came out Sunday and said he'd never heard of her before speaking with Rove.
How is it that you know more than they do? Speaking of reading talking points. - Gaki, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Link to story about Bush admitting that he directed Cheney to discredit Wilson and where both claim that they didn't specifically direct their underlings to do it through unethical or illegal channels. Yeah, right.
http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/0703nj1.htm - Gaki, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6For Fox News, asking the question twice counts as "aggressive interviewing".
- CongoJoe, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5IslandDog, you're just repeating right-wing talking points. Those responsible for designating 'covert' status have come out officially and said she was in fact 'covert' at the time of the leaking. It isn't just an opinion anymore, it's fact. The CIA has procedures for releasing classified information. Right-wing hacks repeating talking points isn't one of them.
Armitage, Rove, and Libby were all discussing her status to reporters BEFORE Novak's column was published. If it wasn't illegal by the narrow definition of the law then it was certainly careless. Careless enough to get their security clearances revoked and shamed before the nation. If they didn't do anything wrong then why lie about it , which they did, until they were before a Grand Jury?
What blows me away is how people will choose Party over their own nation's security. Have you no shame? - Gaki, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I've already read the ISG report once and don't remember seeing anything like that, but I'll read it again to see. It's not like the .pdf isn't readily available.
- hittnrun, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Let's see, because your investigator, Fitzgerald, didn't charge anyone with it??? But we know that's not enough for a certified moonbat.
- chowdah, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Funny Island Dog, I thought this thread was about how seemingly apparent it is that KKKarl Rove is a slimeball. He helped the White House throw this woman under the bus - case closed. When was the last time a democrat knowingly leaked the identity of anybody in the CIA to the press?
Nice try... [/smiling] - MacEnvy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3I dugg you down for calling me an idiot in the first line. Generally not a good way to influence people, FYI.
- Gaki, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3He's ALSO on the list, but we are generally smart enough to realize that Armitage, like Libby, is no more than a potential fall guy.
- rlh1, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2"Watergate is a general term for a series of political scandals, which began with the arrest of five men who broke into the Democratic National Committee headquarters at the Washington D.C. office/apartment complex and hotel called the Watergate on June 17, 1972"----------------------------- I think that you are off by about 3 years, Nixon was out within less they 2 years...
- Gaki, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3It's not fear, it's prudence, you ass.
Would YOU appear on a network that consistently attacks you? - Dweller99, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1LR85 tries to make a career out of being a Bush Apologist. The more information that comes to light the louder he screams "look over there! Shiny thing!". When people get to close to the truth he tries screaming "LALALA" with his fingers in his ears.
- chowdah, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Right, a pure case of synchronicity
- IslandDog, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4What was false about his statement? It's a fact that Armatage was the "leak".
- Gaki, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1It's the proving of intent that makes it criminal and I just can't see how that can be done when Cheney destroys emails he has been warned to keep on several occasions and when the White House stonewalls on pretty much every request for information (on any scandal, not just this one).
- heystoopid, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4Praise be the lord , this Benedict Arnold tries to speak no evil , although the body language says otherwise!
- Acewrap, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1What's the difference in those two situations?
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Wilson was conveniently working on Kerry's Campaign around the time of his editorial. Interesting coincidence.
- chowdah, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Actually being an idiot is a new prerequisite for becoming president...
Congratulations, now you just need a few hundred million dollars. - ElbowGeek, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Interesting. My understanding was that it is a federal offense to reveal the identity of a CIA agent. And in any case, doing so could have put her in harm's way whilst in the field. And although he may or may not have physically spoken to any reporters on the matter, but it is clear that he was deeply involved.
- ThinkMacUK, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2What is it with these talking point memo people trying to blame everything on the journalists? Who ever told Armitage in the first place (someone in the Bush administration - probably Rove) committed an act of treason right then and there, it wasn't publishing it in the newspapers that made it a crime, the moment the information was divulged to someone without the appropriate security clearance it was a crime.
- Gaki, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I don't know what just happened to my reply - it just disappeared.
I've read the ISG report already, but I'll read it again. The point is that it SHOULD have been downplayed because the document involved is now known to be a forgery. The people who didn't downplay it were incorrect and were, perhaps, using the document to further their own ends, perhaps knowing full well that it was a fake.
British Intel is on record as saying the document was legit while French and Italian intel are on record as saying they were questions about it's legitimacy. Of course, the UK supported the war from the start, so this is no surprise. - Gaki, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2He signed on with Kerry in 2004. The leak was before that and so was his CIA report.
Don't let facts get in the way of your argument, though. - Monk22, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1can i see this list of "american citizens" that are locked up with out trial?
- PrivateGuy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1"I would remind you also if she were," Rove added, "I suspect the special prosecutor would have done something different about both Richard Armitage, who was the person who had an extensive conversation with Mr. Novak about this, and would have done something different about me."
- Gaki, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1What, precisely, is "not true" about this story? I'd like specifics.
- rmmcclay, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Karl Rove is a criminal of the worst kind. A smiling, smug, mocking criminal.
Some people admire that. =) - straxus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Odd. What with this administration locking up American citizens indefinitely without trial, I mistook it for a taste of 'conservative' thought.
I have a mirror handy for you... - Gaki, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3As I've said above ... Armitage is just another flunky willing to take the fall.
Did you or did you not miss the direct quote from a Rove email where he says that "Wilsons wife is a CIA operative (sic)"? That's pretty damn indicting. - oderdigg, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Dugg down for your misuse of CAPS.
- Gaki, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2The issue is that Fitzgerald has to prove it was done knowingly and that is a lot harder than it looks. He knows the leak happened and has emails and statements to prove it, he just can't get over that hurdle of doing it on purpose. Of course, only a rock would think this happened by accident, but that's beside the point.
- Gaki, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Yeah, we'll see how smart he is in jail.
The point is that Plame had a career with the CIA before and does NOT have a career with the CIA now ... and that is directly related to three people in the Bush administration, Armitage, Libby and Rove. It doesn't matter if it was an accident or on purpose, they outed a CIA agent and then lied about it on the stand. How exactly is Wilson slimy? You are pretty scant on details here and from the surface, it looks like Wilson's wife was the one who got the shaft. Is it slimy to sue the people who cost your wife her job? - Gaki, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2How the ***** do you know there wasn't treason? You have insider access to the White House email system and documents? Do you have access to the shadow email system Rove and Cheney set up so that they could have their own private communication network? No.
That means you BELIEVE there was no treason, based solely on the evidence out in the public. Plenty of people believe otherwise. Where there is smoke, there is almost always fire and there is plenty of smoke. -
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