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- inactive, on 12/08/2008, -9/+267WTF??? This should be front page!
- ReasonWinsOut, on 01/07/2009, -8/+241Methheads with guns... just our base. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
- johnnr2, on 11/02/2008, -8/+214Racist tweakers, guns, ammo, scope, plan...move along people, nothing to see here.
- kismetropolis, on 11/02/2008, -5/+207This is extremely frightening. And yet, also, dismayingly unsurprising.
- didgital, on 11/02/2008, -5/+187http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason
- ThsGuyRightHere, on 11/02/2008, -2/+123Something tells me that if I got drunk and made public threats against President Bush, I wouldn't be so fortunate.
- Ransack, on 11/02/2008, -3/+120If these guys were muslims they would be tortured and left to rot in jail forever.
- algaeturd, on 11/02/2008, -6/+93You guys are talking about criminals and thieves that run this country. They get every single thing they want and that's a ***** scary thought. It has been for the past 8 years. Let's not get confused here....these are people who can do whatever they want, whenever they want without worry of any kind of criminal or civil prosecution. In theory, they COULD get away with murder. They have internationally. What makes people think they're not capable of being beyond murder domestically?
- kclaff, on 11/02/2008, -3/+61Where in hell is corporate media with this information? Where has my country gone! This is deplorable and needs to be broadcast everywhere.
- Khast, on 11/02/2008, -2/+53So, let me get this straight...if I threaten McCain, I am going to be treated as a criminal, but if I threaten Obama, I am just a harmless nutcase?
I think our government has some serious issues which need to be addressed...since there should be no distinctions between race, political sides, or otherwise... A THREAT WAS MADE... I don't care if they were strung up high on pot, meth or drunk. - toetagger, on 11/02/2008, -4/+46That's a classic Fascist. He needs to be thrown out on his ass!
- SifuMoKung, on 11/02/2008, -0/+42Just add the words "for charity" to the end of your drunken threat.
For example: "I'd like to punch George Bush in the mouth. You know, for charity. ... in the ring, to raise money for breast cancer. I'd punch him good too." - ThePenrod, on 11/02/2008, -5/+42Note however this does exclude any assassins that want to kill black people in Colorado.
- SifuMoKung, on 11/02/2008, -0/+37There will be no civil war if either are elected. This nation is too lazy.
- troyfoley, on 11/02/2008, -2/+38assassins has two asses in it.
- Fremen93, on 11/02/2008, -1/+36If these 3 guys were muslim, I know they'd be tortured in some off-shore prison by now.
- Jon855, on 11/02/2008, -2/+34Legal experts say that Eid's definition of true threat directly conflicts with the statue covering threats to presidential candidates, 18 U.S.C. 879, which defines the threat as "whoever knowingly and willfully threatens to kill, kidnap, or inflict bodily harm upon a major candidate for the office of President or Vice President, or a member of the immediate family of such candidate."
18 U.S.C. 879 is as the following -
1532
Threats Against Former Presidents, and Certain Other Secret Service Protectees
Section 879 of Title 18 prohibits knowing and willful threats to kill, kidnap, or inflict bodily harm against the following categories of persons who are protected by the United States Secret Service:
1. Members of the immediate family of the President;
2. Members of the immediate family of the Vice President;
3. Former Presidents;
4. Members of the immediate family of a former President;
5. Major candidates for the Office of President and Vice President;
6. Spouses of major candidates for the Office of President and Vice President within 120 days of the general Presidential election; and
7. Immediate families of the President-elect and Vice President-elect.
The purpose of this statute is to prohibit threats against former Presidents and other Secret Service protectees not covered by the Presidential threat statute, 18 U.S.C. § 871, or the protection of foreign officials statute, 18 U.S.C. § 112. This gives the Secret Service the legal basis for investigating and prosecuting threats against all categories of persons authorized to be protected under 18 U.S.C. § 3056 and Public Law No. 90-331, 82 Stat. 170, as amended, and who are in fact being protected by the Secret Service. Sections 115 and 351 of Title 18 may provide a basis for criminal prosecution for threats to government and former government officials and their immediate families which may or may not be covered by sections 871 or 879. See United States v. Raymar, 876 F.2d 383, 389-390, (5th Cir.), cert. denied, 493 U.S. 870 (1989).
A prosecution under 18 U.S.C. § 879 would not only require proof that the statement could reasonably be perceived as a threat but would also require some evidence that the maker intended the statement to be a threat. Objective circumstances would bear upon the proof of both subjective intent and objective perceptions. For example, if a person were serving a term of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole and therefore objectively could not be perceived as presently able to effect a threat to kill a protectee next week, this circumstance should bear upon whether a communication by the person would be considered as "knowingly and willfully" made. H.R. Rep. No. 725, 97th Cong., 2d Sess. 4 (1982), reprinted in 1982 U.S. Code Cong. and Adm. News 2624, 2626.
The application of 18 U.S.C. § 879 was significantly altered in 1994 by restrictions placed upon the Secret Service's authority to provide protection for Former Presidents who did not serve as President prior to January 1, 1997, their spouses, and minor children. Section 3056(a)(3) of Title 18, generally restricts protection to a period of 10 years from the date such former President leaves office rather than for life; and to a one year period for the spouse when the President dies in office or within one year after leaving office, with spousal protection to terminate upon remarriage or divorce from, or death of, a former President, rather than solely upon remarriage. Subsection (a)(4) restricts protection of children of a former President who are under 16 years of age to the shorter of a maximum period of 10 years or upon the child becoming 16 years of age.
This is a federal law - let the FBI take care of them, the state of Colorado doesn't have to do this, apparently their state laws are feeble or something like that. The Federal Crime has been committed, let FBI take care of them... That's where this thing lies right now. - inactive, on 11/02/2008, -14/+44Curious as well since we are paying billions in taxes for our own group of homeland "thought" police to ensure our very opinions remain unexpressed. Clearly it is not to blot out all types of terrorism. How I would love to see a bomb dropped smack on top of... nevermind.
- phrozted, on 11/02/2008, -3/+33Dumb title. The message is ugly to America, not to the assassins. And here I was thinking he'd given them a stern talking-to.
- swrostmore, on 11/02/2008, -4/+31Please read up on post-9/11 "war on terror" arrests and convictions, and then come back and say that we shouldn't prosecute far-fetched fantasy plots that have zero chance of succeeding.
Ah ***** it, I'll do your homework for you:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/20/national ...
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/02/jfk.terror.plot/i ...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic ... - trogdor282, on 11/02/2008, -2/+28I'm not sure which bothers me more, the fact that thoughtcrime laws are being selectively enforced, or the fact that we have thoughtcrime laws at all.
- DriftAway, on 11/02/2008, -1/+27I'm drunk right now.
And I'm going to kill President Bush this evening.
SS, you guys got 8 hours, get your rears in gear. - AmazingSteve, on 11/02/2008, -6/+30So don't forget, Vote McCAin on Wednesday.
- WriterinSac, on 11/02/2008, -0/+22Well, let's see if this man still has a job on Jan. 21. Non-performance of job duties is a legitimate reason for firing.
- AmazingSteve, on 11/02/2008, -5/+27I think the Justice department is one of the first places that some MAJOR house cleaning is going to take place when Obama moves in. This ***** probably just made the top of the list. So what is it that you ***** are always going on and on about? Oh that's right, those damn activist Judges.
- Wronghead, on 11/02/2008, -2/+23This guy needs to spend some time in jail.
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With the people he put there. - bravos2u, on 11/02/2008, -1/+20response from the original news article below:
As a matter of fact, a black man in a Colorado jail threatened McCain with a fake anthrax letter -- a case in which the "real threat" component of the case is very much in doubt, since it's questionable at best whether a black man in prison could be actually capable of sending real anthrax -- and Troy Eid brought down the full hammer of the law upon the guy.
Sat, 11/01/2008 - 21:25 — David Neiwert - GangsterCompute, on 11/02/2008, -0/+18Check.
- AgentMull, on 11/02/2008, -0/+18Isn't this a federal case? You know, the whole Secret Service and FBI thing...
- cynicalcheeto, on 11/02/2008, -0/+17Dude. Those guys are ballers. I would not ***** with those dudes. I would not talk about ***** with those dudes. Just thinking about talking about ***** with those dudes is making my balls hurt.
- skews13, on 11/02/2008, -0/+16considering the fact it's a federal offense. where are the federal agents that don't need the colorado attorney generals permission to do anything on this?
- Jon855, on 11/02/2008, -1/+17Rove appointee
Rove appointee
Rove appointee
Rove appointee - enmattp, on 11/02/2008, -1/+17Sack the bastard. Racist *****.
- Gnarstache, on 11/02/2008, -6/+22holy *****
http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/28/the-obama-plotte ... - GordonFree, on 11/02/2008, -2/+17Nobody gives a ***** about justice, judges are all pigs who want money. Justice? They'd rather trial pot smokers all day and still get their paycheck. They're unhappy people with no sense of decency and they want everyone else to be unhappy.
- elfprince13, on 11/02/2008, -1/+16past 8? that's a rather low number, doncha think?
- thinkharderest, on 11/02/2008, -8/+23heck, if you sent a text message to your girlfriend saying you thought it would be nice if someone killed McCain they would be all over you like a fat kid on cheesecake! What's wrong with this country?
- zenbud, on 11/02/2008, -9/+24Uh, are you from texas??? McSame is the one protecting these morons.
- Dundasbro, on 11/02/2008, -0/+14Enjoy your black-bagging.
- FcukAllYall, on 11/02/2008, -10/+24R U ***** kidding me?
- GordonFree, on 11/02/2008, -12/+26Au Contraire... Voting for McCain is like supporting their actions.
PS: if you're worried about your family and children like me, you should vote Obama. If you're not voting Obama you're very misinformed and you should look up more information before going to vote for the future of your family. - an0nymous, on 11/02/2008, -1/+14DId he have fake id's, silenced sniper rifles, a plan, walkie talkies and rap sheet as long as your arm? Did he drive to the hotel where he believed Obama was staying?
- MindStalker, on 11/02/2008, -0/+13But the very fact that they were seriously going to try is enough. In fact there is a good chance that had they been able to get into position they would have shot somebody given the compactness of the crowd.
- cynicalcheeto, on 11/02/2008, -1/+14I'm pretty sure they had an actual plan and actual materials.
- maz2331, on 11/02/2008, -5/+18Maybe - but these dudes are going up for like, forever on the meth charges anyway.
- hiimcliff, on 11/02/2008, -0/+12I agree. This is a lot more serious then the crap diggers dig up.
- mendeznoel20, on 11/02/2008, -0/+12yeah dont pay attention to any meth head druggies, they are all just talk.
- joeyslack, on 11/02/2008, -0/+12Oh no.
Please, don't make political decisions based off of ancient religious text. - AeroGuy, on 11/02/2008, -0/+11Not all of them. (Nor probably even many of them) I have actually been very pleasantly surprised by the integrity and cluefulness of a few judges who have handled cases that I have followed closely. It is uneducated juries and bogus expert witnesses that scare me a bit at times. Power can go to people's heads, but judges do try very hard to rule correctly for the most part and they are usually very bright people.
I don't think you hear much about the cases that are handled well. Just the ones that are not. - Ouze, on 11/02/2008, -1/+12I dunno. It says they aren't being prosecuted - that's not 100% accurate. They are facing various weapons charges. From all I have read so far, it seems less like "elaborate plan to kill Barack Obama" and more like "musings of 2 racist retards". If they had no actual groundwork or plotting laid out, I don't see them being prosecuted for conspiracy either. They had not the plot nor the brains nor the wherewithal to actually make any of this happen, and it was more like moronic bar boasting. Were these idiots really "perceived as a threat" as required by the applicable statue? I don't think so, no. Should they be jailed for the maximum for what they actually DID do? Sure.
Well, I've defended skinheads! My work is done here for the day.
Side note - as someone else posted, if these guys were muslims with the same halfass plan on killing McCain, it would be a much different legal picture. I think that's absolutely true, but it doesn't make it right. -
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