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- clonestar, on 08/21/2008, -3/+35Civil disobedience is far from a call for violence. Ghandi and ML King made use of the principle. 300 Million U.S. citizens simply cannot be controlled if enough of them refuse to be controlled. A law cannot be enforced if enough people refuse to obey it and enough juries refuse to convict. 300 Million U.S. citizens cannot all be thrown into jail at the same time. There are not enough prisons and, who would do the work and pay the taxes?
- 3ugene, on 08/21/2008, -4/+32/me grabs my Constitution
- Thinbev, on 08/21/2008, -3/+31I don't think things will have to get violent.
I think that Americans will stop paying their federal income taxes as a demonstration of civil disobedience. If the politicians keep doing what they're doing, I wouldn't be surprised to see this happen in a large scale.
People are going to ask, "Why should we pay their salaries?" - oconnor11, on 08/21/2008, -4/+28In that interview, he didn't push violence. He spoke mostly about civil disobedience in that part. He said it could come down to violence someday but was hoping for peaceful means and that it was an individual choice whether to pursue civil disobedience in the ways that Martin Luther King Jr. practiced.
- ryborg, on 08/21/2008, -10/+33/me grabs pitchfork
- Minarchian, on 08/21/2008, -6/+28If you don't believe in physically confronting the government then you have lost the American spirit and the spirit of the Declaration of Independence....shame on you.
- inactive, on 08/21/2008, -10/+31Locked and loaded
- wunksta, on 08/21/2008, -5/+25You have my axe.
- inactive, on 08/21/2008, -6/+26seems the government, just like the people of this country, would rather not deal with any problems until they're on in our faces, on our doorsteps, or in our pocketbooks - I think a march on Washington would be absolutely ***** grand.
/me grabs BFG9000 - GovernmentSp00k, on 08/21/2008, -5/+24"may" become necessary?!?!
It's LOOOONNNGG overdue.
What are we gonna do, vote? Wave some banners around and chant on the streets? Hand out flyers? Call "our" "representatives" ? E-mail a congress critter to "voice our opinion" ?
LOL.
Right.
They don't hear our voices. They work for much greater masters than "we the people." We were sold out a long time ago.
If anybody out there thinks this fascist regime gives a ***** what you think you are sadly mistaken. If you really think that your representatives give a S#!t what you think, maybe you better think again. This worthless excuse of an Administration & illegitimate presidency has broken more laws, screwed with the Constitution, ***** with our American rights and freedoms and p$$sed in the face of the American people more than any other administrations combined. All this country needs is a few million more sit on your hands voters and we will have a good old fashioned dictatorship. Although Bush and Dick have been doing a very good job. This is now a government of the government, by the government for the government. (Preamble) This Administration needs to be impeached and the entire governmental system needs replaced, it doesn't work for us so why should we have it. Tear all the ***** down and start over. We are after all the ones that are suppose to have control over our government, not the other way around.
These bought, sold & paid for professional deceivers in power who legislate away our Constitution, privacy rights and freedoms into oblivion, who vote to pass spy bills and HR1955 "thought crimes" legislation, who support unconstitutional Patriot Acts and Department of Homeland Security gestapos for a so-called "War on Terror hoax", who fail to represent the people they are elected to serve, who sell our country out, sell our American blood and money out, sell our jobs out to wealthy foreign interests and grovel at the feet of AIPAC to do their bidding, who lie and fabricate phony evidence to trick us into war, blood on their hands from the murder of 100s of 1000s of innocent civilians and over 4000 US military AND ON AND ON, don't understand anything but *brute force*.
What's it going to take, America?
"You don't have a peaceful revolution. You don't have a turn-the-other-cheek revolution. There's no such thing as a nonviolent revolution. Revolution is bloody. Revolution is hostile. Revolution knows no compromise. Revolution overturns and destroys everything that gets in its way." --Malcolm X, 1963 - inactive, on 08/21/2008, -1/+19/me grabs popcorn
- jspark311, on 08/21/2008, -5/+20/me grabs AR15
- QuantumBios, on 08/21/2008, -9/+23/me grabs torch
- Izult, on 08/21/2008, -0/+14Exactly. Learn about Jury Nullification. It's a little tid bit that they've been leaving out when it comes to educating us about our rights.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification
- StingingNettle, on 08/21/2008, -4/+17and my sword.
- ArvinJA, on 08/21/2008, -3/+16and my bow.
- Lawofnations, on 08/21/2008, -0/+12After careful study this is what the intelligentisia in this country have concluded: Take em' out economically; in the same way they came after us. My personal advice is to stop using their fiat paper currency and use the lawful gold and silver coin (see: Title 31 U.S.C. section 5112).
- jspark311, on 08/21/2008, -0/+12I hope you are correct.
But you are not.
Despots pay their own salaries. And they only understand one language. - inactive, on 08/21/2008, -1/+11Hopefully, this can be resolved without violence. IN CASE IT CAN"T,
/me prepares to blow house and yard on the 40 acres I'm sitting on sky high rather than giving in to a SWAT team!!! - sphira, on 08/21/2008, -0/+1025 % - only ?
Secure:
Water
Defense
Beans and Grains
Seeds
Knowledge
Power
as a good start - - Lawofnations, on 08/21/2008, -5/+15The good doctor is quite the sage.
- gmdmartyr, on 08/21/2008, -0/+9That's if someone didn't already tear it in half!
- inactive, on 08/21/2008, -2/+11And you got yours from UNESCO. Why don't you move to your sacred Hague?
- Minarchian, on 08/21/2008, -2/+11I see your education didn't include comprehension.
Try reading what I said again.
Maybe it will sink in that I am talking in generalities.
The sentence was meant for those who think there is never a time to confront one's own government. Passivism is ok up to a point when you *must* bear arms against your own government. And that if you don't you have lost the American spirit of freedom. - smacksaw, on 08/21/2008, -0/+9If it gets to the point where it becomes physical, we have failed as citizens.
- inactive, on 08/21/2008, -0/+8Tell that to Ghandi.
- sphira, on 08/21/2008, -0/+8Violence will happen, and it will probably make little difference -
How capable are they at rooting out insurgents? Ask: what are they practicing right now?
The reason it will be necessary in the first place is because most fools have no concept of the Constitution and don't respect each other for ***** -
They would rather focus on *****, and be nasty to one another. Unification is near impossible -
In a dream,
we could easily win by wrestling the system back from them, which at this point would be a fight - but
No -
People are about to see the dark side of Tech - - V3n0M, on 08/21/2008, -0/+8He said it "may" become necessary. There's nothing crazy about that.
I see how some of the violent comments above from some of his supporters may be a bit over-zealous, but don't put that on Ron Paul. - Izult, on 08/21/2008, -2/+10I prefer to think of it as an absolute last resort after everything else has been exhausted. After all the first Revolution wasn't fought at the first perception of injustice to the colonies, there was quite a build up to the explosion.
- inactive, on 08/21/2008, -2/+9and my COMBO BREAKER!!1!
- sphira, on 08/21/2008, -1/+8You focus on the ***** -
How about you try focusing on the point? - wunksta, on 08/21/2008, -0/+7There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part, you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you’ve got to make it stop! And you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!
- Lawofnations, on 08/21/2008, -2/+9Yes, you're right about flexibility. I bought a pile of 50 dollar gold coins for 240.00 federal reserve notes each just over three years ago. Now it takes over 900.00 of the depreciated federal reserve notes to buy one lawful gold coin. I am sooo out of touch with reality I don't know where to spend it all. I know! Let's see if this idiot knows what a Special Drawing Right is! That's what your fiat currency (or as the I.R.S. calls it: "worthless securities" [see: IRC 165(g)]) is valued in. It represents a debt. Unfortunately people who believe this "mitigates economic problems" are legally allowed to vote and breed.
- Waiting2awake, on 08/21/2008, -1/+8if this is your first perception of it, then you really haven't been paying attention. I think by 2005 there was little if any doubt there was a rogue section within your government, and after the democrat congress elections, it was clear the government was broken.
Violence is abhorrent and should only ever be used as a last option. I am certain though that they need a reminder on who they work for. - DeviantDragon, on 08/21/2008, -2/+8I feel like the title of the article inspires thought of violent action. I guess that's just what I consider to be physical opposition rather than the use of non-violent tactics. I guess non-violence such as sit-ins or protest are technically physical resistance, but I don't how many people would think about it like that. I get the feeling that Paul's statement is going to be blown out of proportion and used to paint him like an anarchist the way the media's been going about him in the past.
- ProfessorSYM, on 08/21/2008, -2/+8Before everyone gets trigger happy and bloodthirsty, just remember that the majority of the United States government is staffed by normal, everyday people just like you who are doing what they can to take care of their families and live their lives in freedom.
The United States Armed Forces, which you would also be taking up arms against, are similarly composed of men and women who signed an oath to defend our Constitution.
The bottom line is that if you want to change the government, do so from the inside out. Violent revolution will serve only to fracture the country into warring fragments, thereby providing the justification for tyrants to seize control and rule with a violent and totalitarian fist. - Netzorro, on 08/21/2008, -9/+15me grabs .50 cal with scope. One mile range.
Google: kent state pictures, and click on the link that says "The picture from Kent State by Dirck Halstead - The digital journalist. Picture gallery at the bottom.
This is what we ran into in 1970.
Be ready it will be worse this time. - inactive, on 08/21/2008, -2/+8/me grabs pipe and weed
- Thinbev, on 08/21/2008, -2/+8How about this Strman: Why not give us the choice of what currency we use. You can keep getting paid in Fiat currency, while others have the choice to accept a commodity-based currency.
Nobody should force you to use a certain type of currency but just like we have the choice to use credit cards, check, cash, or PayPal, we should have the choice to legally use and choose what currency we want to trade with. - OpenRevolt, on 08/21/2008, -3/+9Where were your ancestors during the Revolution -- hiding under the outhouse?
- Cryptocracy, on 08/21/2008, -0/+5racist
- Waiting2awake, on 08/21/2008, -0/+5I tend to agree with you and hope that is, if needed, the way it goes. Unfortunately violence begets violence.
Ghandi has shown us the way to combat nation states, but it requires a willingness to sacrifice. As he said "There are many issues I believe are worth dying for, but no issue worth killing for.".
May we heed his words. - Hetman, on 08/21/2008, -0/+5Everyone he is talking about non-violent protests. And do not say they do not work. Just look at Gahndi and civil rights movement in america. Yea they will probably taze you and release the hounds but sacrificing threw it with out violence can create more change than any violent protest would.
- Eslamicolt3, on 08/21/2008, -1/+6You gets knock on door from FBI
- Waiting2awake, on 08/21/2008, -0/+5Fractalman - I don't think you understand the nature of conflict. Yes, you have man civilians that are armed with some weaponry. However, nowhere near the weaponry of the Nation Gaurd, let alone the Military let alone Blackwater, whom they will be using no doubt.
What is a few automatic rifles and such against those outfits?
In a conflict you better hope that the Military decides it will not fight American civilians - but I bet blackwater has no such problems. We may find out that N.O was the prefect training grounds. You saw how blackwater treated them didn't you?
Peaceful is the best method. Learn from Ghandi, we can stop the machine without firing a shot. The second you fire a shot, you justify the machine. - fractalman, on 08/21/2008, -0/+592 million gun owners with more than 220 million firearms says that you might be wrong. Quantity has a quality all it's own.
- inactive, on 08/21/2008, -1/+6Remember Masada!!!
- inactive, on 08/21/2008, -3/+8And I can see the likes of you and Sean Hannity being thrown in a padded closet in straight jackets!!!
- OpenRevolt, on 08/21/2008, -1/+6/me grabs video camera
- NonServium, on 08/21/2008, -1/+6You truly are gambling that your opposition is completely uneducated when the only "argument" you offer is a string of ad hominems.
I believe that physical confrontation with the government is necessary because...
1. The government clearly is not policing itself.
2. Our "representatives" are traitors and sociopaths who have committed many atrocities across the globe, including attacking our families and fellow citizens on 9-11, 2001 and many times since.
3. There exists no peaceful way to remove these sociopaths from power. Not only are the voting machines rigged to prevent actual voting, the powers behind the throne are immune to voting even if it were allowed.
4. The enemy is obviously gearing up for a physical confrontation with us, (building new detention centers that can house hundreds of thousands, ending posse comitatus, training and outfitting police like soldiers while making it clear that they will never hold them accountable for brutality against us, etc.), and is getting stronger every day.
...among other reasons. -
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