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- RPliberty, on 06/19/2008, -2/+14It's great to see him more relaxed and able to talk freely and speak his mind.
- Parisjune, on 06/18/2008, -3/+15Why don't Americans love their Constitution?
Ron Paul 2008! - Tenetri, on 06/19/2008, -2/+10Its a shame a bunch of Delegates said you guys couldn't vote for him. Seems more like an illusion of free choice to say something like "You are free to vote as we tell you".
Could I get a Ron Paul '12? - kaelyiesta, on 06/19/2008, -0/+8"there are many things outdated in the constitution I feel"
There are so many ways to respond to this, I'm not sure where to begin. I guess the simplest answer would be to use the very useful part of our law that allows us to CHANGE the Constitution, rather than ignoring the rule of law because politicians feel like it and we the people acquiesce. Any argument justifying the rape of the Constitution can typically be refuted by this argument alone. Therefore, any politician who advocates any legislation which undermines the Constitution should be immediately removed from office for breaking their Constititional oath, and thus the supreme rule of law in this country. Change the constitution, but do not dare break it. This country is not run by anarchy and we should not tolerate anyone in government who thinks otherwise.
Now since you haven't specified what you disagree with, I'll speak to the Constitutions qualities in general terms as well. It was a document forged by brilliant legal minds who understand political complexities. All of that would be typical of those forming new governments except for one powerful fact: They were trying to create such a government that by its very design prevents many of the problems governments inflict upon the governed. They designed a government that more than any before it, was quite limited in power it had over the people. That fact, self evident by how difficult it has made the progress of those who work to undermine it, makes it arguably even more valuable as a nation becomes more powerful and its government more byzantine and unassailable. Reading the past 100 years of political history has convinced me that as more power is granted to our government, the more harm they tend to do with it.
I appreciate your genuine interest in discussion and reason rather than insults and lies. Your point about what constitutes change is one I myself considered while listening to the video. I think what Paul would say in response is that the changes Obama offers are typically bandaids for broken bones. He doesn't address the more fundamental policies that cause many of these problems in the first place and just appeals to the surface issues. Take the issue of war and occupation: Obama promises to 'end the war' by moving troops back into afghanistan with caveats of quick return. Even more important however, is the fact that he doesn't even consider the larger picture of the entire foreign military empire we have with dozens of countries. Thats only one small point of one single political topic but I just wanted to give you an example. So again, Ron Paul would argue(and so do I) that Obama is not providing significant changes to policies that have continued over 100 years now. - Tenetri, on 06/19/2008, -1/+6I see what your saying, but your name makes me think a little uninformed bias is at work here
What Dr. Paul is saying is not that they are "The Same", hes saying their policies are no different. And they aren't that different. There are difference. But think of it like this.
Obama and McCain are like a Red and Green apples. Sure, ones green, but their still apples. And both apples reallly realllllly want Iraq's oil. - Pssdoff, on 06/19/2008, -0/+5McCain doesn't have a chance, there is no way Obama will lose... its not going to happen.
Vote Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin, they echo Ron Paul's message. - Tenetri, on 06/19/2008, -0/+4Thats a really good point. I guess this is the one time where I agree to disagree.
McCain would send us straight into World War 3, although I know there's people who are voting for him for that specific reason, which is really... funny... in a psychotic... sort of way...
Since Obama is the most logical choice for the moment, and also assuming that the economy lasts till September... Obama is the most logical choice.
I'd still pick Ron Paul 1000x over him though. So, F*ck yeah Ron Paul...
***** Yeah - Tenetri, on 06/19/2008, -0/+4Off Topic: Nice Doublepost
- synapz, on 06/19/2008, -0/+4You prefer the paper standard?
- Waiting2awake, on 06/19/2008, -1/+5No - those are words... What he will do, is where the no difference is.
Because - The president takes orders, doesn't give them. Think figure-head. - Pssdoff, on 06/19/2008, -0/+4If you are so sure about your position, why don't you ask Obama if he will pull the private contractors out of Iraq...
Why don't you ask Obama about his plans to put troops in Africa and Pakistan? ...Or his plan to put more troops in Afghanistan, or his intentions to bomb Iran... That is if you can wrangle a straight answer out of him. - guntario, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1Very well stated generalities with no actual points?
- nomorepauI, on 06/19/2008, -0/+0HHHHHHHHHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Tenetri, on 06/19/2008, -1/+1I agree 100%.
Very well stated - sleepyjjk, on 06/19/2008, -3/+3Ron Paul Supporters:
I understand that Ron Paul main political issues are the following: changing our foreign policy, the federal reserve, getting rid of the income tax, and balancing the budget. And this, with his charismatic personality, makes him seem like a wonderful candidate. Also, the fact that he is so for the constitution.
While I am for the constitution in many ways (e.g. free speech, separation of church and state, balance of power) there are many things outdated in the constitution I feel. We must remember that when it was written, America was not a powerful country, and within the past hundred years, America has become one of the most powerful countries, and since this is the case, we cannot lead our country the same way we did before. It would be hard to live in the Gold/Silver standard anymore.
Anyway, that is not my problem with Ron Paul - my problem is that he says the other candidates do not speak about any change, and that change is just a word. He believes that they do not speak change because they do not agree about the issues he does.
McCain, as far as I can tell, is not change from the Bush administration. However, Obama does talk about change: ending the war on Iraq, giving teachers more money and reforming the education system, reforming the health care system to a universal one, investing in alternative fuels, battling climate change, talking to leaders of other countries differently - just to list a few. Now, if that is not change from our current course, I don't know what is.
Regardless of how good a candidate Ron Paul was, you should realize that in order to achieve change, it won't be with Ron Paul, at least not for this election. Maybe in 2012, but not this election. Take a good look at McCain and Obama and vote for the one who you think is going to best serve America's interest. - B08ama, on 06/19/2008, -3/+1He's 72 years old. If he were elected in 2012, he would be the oldest president ever elected by 7 years. That's not to say he doesn't look chipper, but I can't imagine anyone leaving the presidency 86 years old alive.
- B08ama, on 06/19/2008, -5/+2To everyone saying Ron Paul in '12: He's 72 years old. If he were elected in 2012, he would be the oldest president ever elected by 7 years. That's not to say he doesn't look chipper, but I can't imagine anyone leaving the presidency 86 years old alive.
- sickaltima, on 06/19/2008, -4/+1doesn't Obama support and net neutrality and McCain does not?? Obama wants to pull out of Irak soon while McCain wants to stay there another 100 years..Obama wants to tax the rich while McCain want to give the rich tax break... i could go on like this.. Sorry Ron.. there are differences...
- B08ama, on 06/19/2008, -10/+4Saying that he disagrees with both Obama and McCain is fine, but saying that they're the same is just ignorant.
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